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Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - A3 A4

More eco stuff in the Mail today, whilst it may be true, is this just another ruse to get older diesel vehicles off the road and drivers into new vehicles to boost the economy ?

Should we expect a rise in VED for older pre DPF diesels, of which many are long lasting and ecomonic. Maybe its the only way to part us from our PD's ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2617425/The-dea...l

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - Bromptonaut

It's a pretty thin article one you remove the Mailesque froth and indignation.

Who on earth was bullied into buying a diesel thatt typically costs quite a bit more than the petrol equivalent? Did the government that consistently taxed diesel at same rate as petrol meaning the pump price is 7-10p/litre more twist your arm?

Yes, the official figures for fuel consumption for diesels cannot be acheived in real life. You know what thuogh, neither can those for petrol.

I'd like to read some more detail on the work of Professors Kelly and Williams and of that done on the effect of sub 2.5 particles from petrol engines. I'd also wager that a lot of the PM in London's air is from LCV/PCV souurces rather than private cars.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - gordonbennet

Well somebody's got to pay for a still increasing national debt, Diesel driver might still have a quid left at the end of the week, kerching, we'll have that for the environment, thankyou.

Maybe this is the softening up process, get the usual suspects jumping up and down, shouting at Diesel drivers like they did to drivers of those dreadful 4x4s a while back.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - mss1tw

I already pay £205 a year for a damn BERLINGO, more than my friend with a 2.5 litre Navara pays.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - coopshere
How on earth can two eminent professors know more than unqualified government ministers or the poor souls who have been duped into buying diesel engined vehicles to save the earth and their money;-)

Hopefully they will all have learned their lesson and not be duped again by the motor manufacturers who now tell us small engined turbocharged petrol engines are the best thing since sliced bread!
Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - jamie745

It's a fair enough article I suppose but it's hardly news. 10 years ago the Government told us raising motoring taxes was all about the polar bear and nothing to do with revenue. They incentivised buying diesels and later hybrids/electric cars. We all knew if the public did as they were told, the environmental argument would be binned faster than the Chancellor could say 'budget deficit' and they'd start taxing them as well.

Anybody who was stupid enough to spend their hard earned on things which only make sense if the Government keeps taxes down deserve to lose their money.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - Avant

The root of the problem is that politicians aren't given any proper training. Most of us with professional qualifications had to train for several years to get them; others, such as civil servants, are trained by years of experience in their departments. Politicians are moved at every election or reshuffle to departments about which they know nothing.

Thus they are easily influenced by whatever lobby they have heard most recently - and a few years ago the diesel lobby was one such. Not nearly enough research was done, and although the Mail exaggerates as always, there is an issue here.

I think that much of the pollution in towns and cities comes from buses and trucks, but even so it'll be a good thing if more manufacturers can produce petrol engines with all four necessary attributes - economy, reliability, long life and low-down torque. VAG's 1.4 and 2.0 TSI engines (excluding the 1.4s with supercharger as well as turbo) are a good example of where I hope things are going.

Edited by Avant on 02/05/2014 at 00:01

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - focussed

The problem with politicians that the electorate select to run the country is that we, the electorate don't interview them for the job and the vast majority of them are totally inept and unqualified to run a bath, let alone a country.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - madf

The problem with politicians that the electorate select to run the country is that we, the electorate don't interview them for the job and the vast majority of them are totally inept and unqualified to run a bath, let alone a country.

The electorate who vote for them are very simialr to the politicians they elect. The voters expect something for nothing and complain when they don't get it. And won't vote for someone who says they need to work hard and pay taxes...

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - Andrew-T

I think that much of the pollution in towns and cities comes from buses and trucks, but even so it'll be a good thing if more manufacturers can produce petrol engines with all four necessary attributes - economy, reliability, long life and low-down torque.

Equally, I think most vehicles can produce limited pollution if their engines are looked after occasionally. One still sees quite a few diesels followed by a grey smoke screen whenever the driver puts a foot down. I don't know whether these belong to owner-drivers or companies, but as long as money can be saved by skimping on maintenance, pollution will be higher than it need be.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - gordonbennet

Never fear, if anyone who works for a living has got anything left, they'll filtch that when satellite controlled road pricing arrives in due course...that'll be on top of the rest mind, accrued speeding and lane control fines a mere extra bonus, worth at least a third or fourth house on expenses shirley.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""Hopefully they will all have learned their lesson and not be duped again by the motor manufacturers who now tell us small engined turbocharged petrol engines are the best thing since sliced bread!""

I'll believe that when they start fitting small (relatively) turbocharged PETROL engines to lorries, buses, trains and ships:)) Or on a more serious note, if these small petrol engines really are that economical, one would expect them to start appearing in vans before long..

Edited by Sofa Spud on 02/05/2014 at 15:21

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - madf

Well as "real MPG" figures are widely available, anyone who buys a Ford turbocharged eco engine on the basis of fuel economy is - in this day and age- naive at best and an idiot at worst.

Are Diesel Owners In For A Rise in VED? - Snakey

Interesting. I seem to remember some years ago some research (can't really remember who!) suggested that developing diesel cars and strangling petrol cars with catalytics convertors was an extremely short termist way of doing things. It suggested the gasoline direct injection petrol engines were the most efficient and should be developed further.

Its always the same thought, whatever becomes popular will be taxed the most. When we're all driving electric cars (or to be more accurate, sitting on the hard shoulder waiting for the RAC to bring a battery charger) then we'll be screwed over by road pricing.