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Any - Deadly diesel ! - mustangman

As a diesel pilot I'm feeling a bit guilty about starting up today. I appreciate that no car with an IC engine is emission free, its a price we have to pay for our necessary mobility.

I did however think that a modern diesel fitted with the sometimes unpopular DPF, was the best that tecnology could provide, but now I am apparantly still responsible for spreading nasty Nox and such around the city stunting kids brains etc.

Is this just a nanny state flavour of the month thing, or should we all be worried ?. After all I didn't find myself gasping during the smog of a few days ago. Perhaps its just the media extrapolating and in need of proper news.......discuss.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - madf

Key facts as usual are misrepresented or deliberately falsified. If you read the attached report and then look at the pictures, tinyurl.com/oegut65

you will see that teh vehillces with the biggest engines - and hence most likely to produce the greatest volume of NOX IN TOTAL are:

taxis, buses and lorries.. and guess what? In London, they are all pretty elderly and teh buses will only be replaced by 2020 tinyurl.com/p2u8vh7

and tightr regulations for taxis will only come in in 2018..

And that will NOT mean the old ones are stopped from using the road...

Any - Deadly diesel ! - Wackyracer

Don't forget that ALL internal combustion engines will produce Nox, So to just point the finger at diesels is just media hype at it's finest. That is why EGR valve are fitted to both petrols and diesels.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - veryoldbear

The biggest diesels engines are not on the road but at sea. Just about all ships now use diesel engines, and until relatively recently they used the glopp from the bottom of the barrel. There are new rules coming in to make ships use stuff from further up the barrel and produce less NOx and SOx and particles, but a big container ship with a big 40,000 bhp diesel makes road transport look a bit lightweight ...

Any - Deadly diesel ! - gordonbennet

The cynic in me suspects that part of the reason for this is the VED lots of us saved by doing as we were told/encouraged, buying low CO2 Diesel cars.

Some softening up or divide/ruling being done to make goal post shifting welcome?

Any - Deadly diesel ! - Chris79
Being pedantic , large container vessels use far more powerful engines than 40000 shp, the largest are in excess of 100000 shp. Unfortunately what with the cost of fuel most of them are running at Eco speed utilising only a fraction of that power. The last container vessel I worked on was reduced to running at 10% power burning approximately 75 tonnes per day as opposed to 270 at full speed. It wasn't all smooth sailing though as the engines were not designed to run at that speed and it caused a lot of problems which I think they are still struggling to get on top of.
Any - Deadly diesel ! - mss1tw
Being pedantic , large container vessels use far more powerful engines than 40000 shp, the largest are in excess of 100000 shp. Unfortunately what with the cost of fuel most of them are running at Eco speed utilising only a fraction of that power. The last container vessel I worked on was reduced to running at 10% power burning approximately 75 tonnes per day as opposed to 270 at full speed. It wasn't all smooth sailing though as the engines were not designed to run at that speed and it caused a lot of problems which I think they are still struggling to get on top of.

Glazed bores and carbon build-up?

I guess they don't get clogged EGR's and DPF's :-D

Any - Deadly diesel ! - veryoldbear
Being pedantic , large container vessels use far more powerful engines than 40000 shp, the largest are in excess of 100000 shp. Unfortunately what with the cost of fuel most of them are running at Eco speed utilising only a fraction of that power. The last container vessel I worked on was reduced to running at 10% power burning approximately 75 tonnes per day as opposed to 270 at full speed. It wasn't all smooth sailing though as the engines were not designed to run at that speed and it caused a lot of problems which I think they are still struggling to get on top of.

Glazed bores and carbon build-up?

I guess they don't get clogged EGR's and DPF's :-D

I wouldn't be surprised. Many of the big marine diesels aree coupled directly to the propeller and at full away are doing something like 100-120 rpm. Slow steaming to save fuel and the piston speed in the bores must be v-e-r-y slow by normal standards. Incidentally some of those engines are so large you could could darn near get your car up a cylinder.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - jamie745

The cynic in me suspects that part of the reason for this is the VED lots of us saved by doing as we were told/encouraged, buying low CO2 Diesel cars.

Sounds about right and entirely predictable.

It amused me the other day to hear the BBC declaring our air pollution to be among the highest in Europe and cited the fact 'most of our vehicles are diesel' as one of the main reasons.

Well, I don't think most of our vehicles are diesel but I'd suspect over 50% of miles driven are in a diesel, but semantics aside; the growth in diesel ownership is entirely due to Government taxing petrol too high.

20 years ago, hardly anybody owned a diesel car. We were told to buy diesels because they had less co2, now we're being told diesels are more dangerous.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - focussed

New ship to be built fuelled by natural gas - LNG.

www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/press-office/blog/40794...y

Hope they build in some really effective bilge extraction fans!

Any - Deadly diesel ! - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:..""you will see that teh vehillces with the biggest engines - and hence most likely to produce the greatest volume of NOX IN TOTAL are:"

But buses and lorries are essential to the economy and society of a large city. Cars are not, to the same extent.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 08/04/2014 at 00:03

Any - Deadly diesel ! - jamie745

But buses and lorries are essential to the economy and society of a large city. Cars are not, to the same extent

Lorries maybe. Buses? No

Who gives a toss about large cities? b***** hateful places.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - alan1302

Who gives a toss about large cities?

People that live in them? LOL

Any - Deadly diesel ! - Gibbo_Wirral

If diesels are so bad, how come the Government put many small new diesel engined cars in the Band A and Band B VED bracket?

Any - Deadly diesel ! - unthrottled

If diesels are so bad, how come the Government put many small new diesel engined cars in the Band A and Band B VED bracket?

Because VED is based on CO2 and not trace pollutants?

As it is wont to do, the Sunday Times wrote a reactionary and rather ignorant piece about vehicular emissions which basically concluded that real world diesel emissions were grossly worse than those from petrol vehicles.

Diesel and petrol engines have different emission profiles, but it's a bold statement to say that one is worse than the other.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - galileo

Is this just a nanny state flavour of the month thing, or should we all be worried ?. After all I didn't find myself gasping during the smog of a few days ago. Perhaps its just the media extrapolating and in need of proper news.......discuss.

The so called "smog", so hyped up by Government and media was not in any way comparable with the stuff which used to cut visibilty to less than 10 yards in most winters before the Clean Air Act.

In 1953 4000 died as a result of London smog, in the 1960's when I lived in Sheffield one winter bus conductors had to walk in front of their bus guiding the drivers because they couldn't see the kerb because of sulphurous orange smog.

Those conditions were due to domestic coal fires and industrial emissions. Current vehicle emissions do not cut visibility so much or taste so bad.

Any - Deadly diesel ! - Hamsafar

There is no smog, it's just mist/fog like we always had. TPB poisoning the minds of the masses more likely.

I remember the proper fumes and I'm only 40.
I even remember as a child lying in bed with my window ajar and smelling neighbours exhaust fumes as they drove up the hill with the choke out.

It's impossible to smell one car nowadays, let alone from the comfort of a warm bed some 100m away.