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KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - Trilogy

Another nail in the diesel coffin. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volvos-new-ker...t

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - unthrottled

No it doesn't.

Mechanical KERs is such a waste of time that none of the F1 teams that tested the system adopted it-they all went with the super capacitor system.

The amount of active braking in normal driving is less than you might think (engine and drivetrain friction perform a lot of passive braking).

Even with the heavy braking schedule found in F1 races the fuel saving was minimal~1-2%. Jumping on the turbo bandwagon decades after it became comon place in passenger car diesels will have fuel consumption savings an order of magnitude greater than this.

Finally, regenerative braking systems are not flattered by the all-important NEDC cycle since the only major braking event is at the end of the test-and mechanical systems can't store their energy for more than a few minutes so the result isn't counted. Battery systems can.

Dead loss.

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - craig-pd130

When it comes to range-extender / top-up systems for electric vehicles, I wonder why there isn't a move to compact gas-turbine generators, like in the concept Jaguar from a couple of years back?

For the sake of clarity, the gas turbine would only be driving a generator as a pure range-extender / battery charger, it would not be connected mechanically to the drivetrain.

They're much easier to package than a conventional petrol / diesel engine, run at high rpm so turning generators rapidly for high output, don't need cooling systems, can run on any fuel that burns, etc.

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - unthrottled

Small gas turbines are less efficient than piston engines. The "lack of cooling" isn't really correct. If you want to push the efficiency of gas turbines, the first stages of the turbine blades run very, very hot. This creates the headaches. You're looking at exotic alloys, the best thermal barrier coatings, single crystal blades, internal gas cooling etc etc. In comparison, a piston engine's water pump and radiator are comparitively straight forward.

Edit: Gas turbines are very slow to start up and I don't think the materials would take kindly to the high numbers of thermal cycles that would occur in pasenger car use compared to, say, civil aviation.

I think silencing would be an issue because of the low expansion ratio and turbines' intolerence to exhaust back pressure.

The piston engine isn't ubiquitous because mechanical engineers are not creative enough to think of alternatives!

Edited by unthrottled on 26/03/2014 at 10:06

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - focussed

Why do you say that it is a nail in the diesel coffin? The Kers recovery system can be used with petrol, diesel or any propulsion system-it's merely a kinetic energy recovery, storage and delivery system.

Diesel propulsion is the fuel of the future - you can grow the fuel in the field next door to your house, if necessary you could use the raw oil produced from the crop to power your diesel vehicle. I would add here that I am not a brew-your-own-diesel-from-used-chip-oil enthusiast, but merely pointing out that if push came to shove you could run your diesel car on a veggie oil blend-you sure as hell can't do that with a petrol motor.

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - unthrottled

out that if push came to shove you could run your diesel car on a veggie oil blend-you sure as hell can't do that with a petrol motor.

Bio derived ethyl or methyl alcohol? You don't need significant modifications to operate a petrol engine on E85. Methanol is a different kettle of fish

Bio fuels are (rightly) faling out of favour because of concerns with competition with food production.

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - alan1302

Why do you say that it is a nail in the diesel coffin? The Kers recovery system can be used with petrol, diesel or any propulsion system-it's merely a kinetic energy recovery, storage and delivery system.

Diesel propulsion is the fuel of the future - you can grow the fuel in the field next door to your house, if necessary you could use the raw oil produced from the crop to power your diesel vehicle. I would add here that I am not a brew-your-own-diesel-from-used-chip-oil enthusiast, but merely pointing out that if push came to shove you could run your diesel car on a veggie oil blend-you sure as hell can't do that with a petrol motor.

I don't think any fuel that require valuable arable farmland is one to invest in - arable farmland is needed for crops for food not fuel for cars.

I still think the fuel of the future is electricity powering cars with the range of petrol/diesel cars if not more.

KERS reduces fuel consumption by up to 25% - Trilogy

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Edited by Trilogy on 25/03/2014 at 22:20