In 1999 i bought a 6 month old Peugeot 406 V6 (ex Peugeot car with 1,500 miles on it) with 6 months left on its 1 year warrenty. After a few years my father took it on, and now its approaching 15, he still has it. A 3 year warrent would have saved me nothing. A 5 year warrenty would have saved me the cost of a new radiator ( there was too much flex in the early ones), A 7 year warrenty wouldnt have saved any more. To be honest a 14 year warrent would not have had any more use.
In 2005 i bought a Vauxhall Monaro. The 3 year warrenty went unused. A 5 year warrenty would have saved me £130 for a central locking unit. A 7 year warrent nothing more, and i cant see it costing me a lot to keep going forward.
In 2008 i bought a Peugeot 107. I passed it to a friend after a year, but it still hasnt had anything fail that a warrenty would cover.
Unless you buy a diesel i dont see the need for a long warrenty these days. Afterall the cost of the warrent must be part of the cost of the car.
My most recent purchase was a 6 year old S2000 2 and a half years ago. Of course nothing has failed sinse, except a speaker! hardly something i need a warrenty for.
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Unless you buy a diesel i dont see the need for a long warrenty these days. Afterall the cost of the warrent must be part of the cost of the car.
A warranty is an insurance against something that could go wrong and cost a lot to fix. I had a 2006 Fiat Grande Punto with a 3 year warranty. The power steering failed after 4 years and if I had a 5 year warrnty as I do on my i10 I would have saved around £950.
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Obviously there are some expensive parts on all cars, but the things that will cause real financial hardship are largely associated with diesels.
Yes a long warrenty would be great for free, but you have to accept its priced into the car.
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"Obviously there are some expensive parts on all cars, but the things that will cause real financial hardship are largely associated with diesels".
Or maybe DSG gearboxes, ABS brake compnents, or the power steering, as mentioned just one post previously. And I happen to see they're not specifically diesel related! Can't agree with you at all. A couple of £1,500 bills with any of the items noted and you'd not be saying that either.
"Yes a long warrenty would be great for free, but you have to accept its priced into the car"
I think we're all just about bright enough to know you get nothing for free. It's just that *some* of us are saying that for what we're asked to pay for our new cars we think that some errant manufacturer should stand by the integrity of their products by offering the same 5 yr **WARRANTY** as offered by those highlighted and that the latter seem to be disposed to doing so without inflated prices.....and, indeed, in the case of Hyundai, by offering 5 yrs RAC Brkdn & Recovery as well or in the case of Kia...7yrs....or in the case of Vauxhall, a lifetime warranty - and none of the above are, as far as I can see, discernably dearer than the ones that give a three year warranty.
Edited by KB. on 03/02/2014 at 00:36
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KB, you are right, DSGs are not related to diesels, and can be financially cripling. And i am sure these are a few other parts that can cost BIG money, but my point is, if you stick to good manufacurers, and simple products you are far less likely to need a warrenty. However most of the real horror stories you read or hear about are from modern diesels.
I doubt many people claim on their toyota or Subaru 5 year warrentys. So it costs them very little to offer them. There are quite a few other manufacturers who wouldnt be such a good position!
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If Ford offerered a 5 year warranty and like the existing warranty it is 1 year manufacturer and the remainder dealer it would be a waste of time and a total con. Ever owned one, after year one trim is excluded but Ford clasify most components as trim. Even the handbrake mechanism is classifiedd as trim and the seat tilting mechanism on a 3 door is trim, its clear to me that these 2 are clearly not trim but Ford insist they are.
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I doubt many people claim on their toyota or Subaru 5 year warrentys. So it costs them very little to offer them. There are quite a few other manufacturers who wouldnt be such a good position!
I think this is what perplexes some of us, what you state is blindingly obvious but seemingly not to all...if a maker of good advertising repute won't warrant their cars for as long as some others (who have honourably aired their problems/failings and always stand by their product), then surely even the most obtuse car buyer should be able to see the writing writ large upon the wall.
For many (most?) of the 3 year warranty makers customers they're not in the least bothered about any longer than 3 as they will renew or get a new company car issued, if it fails miserably in service they get something different to play with for a few days and seem to almost enjoy the situation sometimes (read here often enough), after 3 years nobody, manufacturer included, is remotely interested.
Why 3 year old car buyers risk things like DSG, ESG etc or actively seek out cars with inferior warranties (and by association inferior products) is beyond me.
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Last Subaru I had pass through was a 4 year old Legacy which had all the warranty work paperwork with it - it had received about £5000 worth of claims on about 10 different items!
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KB, you are right, DSGs are not related to diesels, and can be financially cripling. And i am sure these are a few other parts that can cost BIG money, but my point is, if you stick to good manufacurers, and simple products you are far less likely to need a warrenty. However most of the real horror stories you read or hear about are from modern diesels.
I doubt many people claim on their toyota or Subaru 5 year warrentys. So it costs them very little to offer them. There are quite a few other manufacturers who wouldnt be such a good position!
Have you ever tried claiming on a toyota warranty! They're as useless as any third party warranty. They try to charge you for 'diagnostic' work before agreeing to anything. After 3 months of them faffing about with my car I gave up, I'll be taking it to an independent and just paying them to fix it.
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Snakey your opinion couldn't be further than mine, or from what i read here, the vast majority of people.
My Hilux, out of warranty, developed a injector rattle, dealer and Toyota UK couldn't have been better, had it in (free courtesy car for me) tested injectors and whilst there slipped a new set of injectors and fuel lines in, reflashed the ECU, wash and valet, and ''sorry for the trouble Mr Bennet.''
On the job sheet was a cost of just under £2000 in parts alone, not even a hint that i should contribute a single pfennig...but then almost all people who have trouble with their Toyota (that have been serviced and taken reasonable care of) find exactly the same.
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Snakey your opinion couldn't be further than mine, or from what i read here, the vast majority of people.
My Hilux, out of warranty, developed a injector rattle, dealer and Toyota UK couldn't have been better, had it in (free courtesy car for me) tested injectors and whilst there slipped a new set of injectors and fuel lines in, reflashed the ECU, wash and valet, and ''sorry for the trouble Mr Bennet.''
On the job sheet was a cost of just under £2000 in parts alone, not even a hint that i should contribute a single pfennig...but then almost all people who have trouble with their Toyota (that have been serviced and taken reasonable care of) find exactly the same.
Work friend had similar experience when some suspension bushings on her Yaris failed. Admittedly she was getting a seven y.o car serviced at franchise so maybe some goodwill expectation of future business involved.
She also combines being a firebrand with abilty to turn a hetero male to jelly at 20 paces.
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I bought a toyota due to this saintly reputation. The reality is they are no better than any other manufacturer with the occasional exception.
My toyota warrantee'd car developed a fault within a month of buying it. Initial garage couldn't be less helpful and wanted £80 to even look at it. Second toyota garage had a look at it and basically can't find the fault, so effectively gave up and have left me with a car I'll have to fix myself.
I see this on the toyota forums about their excellent 'goodwill' etc, but all they seem to do is fix inherent faults with their cars. In other words covering their backsides.
I would rate my experiences with Ford and Vauxhall on a par with toyota. Toyota obviously seem to have the undeserved reputation from long ago a bit like VW.
I voiced my unhappiness with both dealers and toyota themselves. Not a reply from any of them.
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You actually wrote to Toyota UK following a similar non response from the dealer and had no response from head office either?
I suggest you write personally to the managing director at Toyota UK, enclosing copies of the letters which went unanswered...i'd like to be a fly on the wall when he or she opens them.
I don't agree with you about how Toyota deal with customer's problems, my experiences and those of my family couldn't be more different.
Edited by gordonbennet on 05/02/2014 at 16:51
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Life's too short to keep on with it. I've learned my lesson not to buy toyota in the future, or at least buy out of warranty and with my eyes open. I'm sure toyota couldn't give a toss whether I'm a happy customer or not, someone else will come along and buy their cars instead of me.
It amazes me when people think toyota are showing goodwill when they're only addressing faults they know about in the first place!
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