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None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - tdc

Anyone know a good site to obtain free answers to Wills and Probate Q`s please?

I entered a Caveat after dodgy-looking dealings following a relative`s death and now a month later the solicitor has written to ask me to remove said Caveat ,saying they will apply to have Caveat removed if I don`t do so this month,and that I may incur costs.This is the first direct contact I have had with solicitor.

I am wanting to see what my rights are,so as to extend the solicitor`s deadline so that I can continue to make enquiries as to the cicumstances surrounding the hasty and suspicious last will.

Thanks.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - FP

I have only limited experience in dealing with wills and probate (three times, to be accurate), but it seems to me you're not by any means in a common situation.

My feeling is that you won't get answers from a website; you'll need to sit down with a solicitor. You may well be worried about the cost, but you could take advantage of the free initial consultation that many solicitors now offer.

As for costs beyond that point, you will have to decide whether what you are involved with merits any money being spent on it. (E.g. if you expect to be a beneficiary from your relative's estate.)

As you are being challenged by a solicitor, you may well need your own solicitor if you expect to fight back and progress your enquiries, or even eventually contest the will.

Note the following (which you may already have seen):

"What happens after the Caveat is entered?

"This is where matters become more complicated and you are strongly recommended to seek legal advice. The question of costs may arise and there is a possibility that you could become liable to pay not only your own costs but those of the other person as well." (from www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/caveats)

Edited by FP on 13/01/2014 at 14:40

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - johncyprus
I've had a similar experience I'm afraid. Because of a dodgy relative I entered a caveat on my late Mother's property. To cut a very long story short I have learnt that money corrupts and that family means very little to some, legal bills mount rapidly and that you shouldn't rely on the justice system to deliver justice.

I don't know your circumstances but I wouldn't take too much notice of a solicitor threatening to challenge your caveat, let the other side incur costs challenging your caveat it will cost you nothing to ignore their letters which you can do initially, do not be railroaded; solicitors like to write frightening letters but the whole system works a a snail's pace. The only advice I will give is do not challenge a will: I have learnt that old people can be forced/ manipulated to change their wills but the court will not accept this without 100% proof which is impossible.

My legal bills were in excess of £10k before I was advised to abandon the case. My initial assessment of my relation's intentions was correct; hopefully you know the personality involved, go with your gut instinct.

Do get some advice from a solicitor, find a good one and take it from there.

Good luck
None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Andrew-T

Agreed. Get some starting advice from a solicitor, but don't let the legal eagles run away with things unless it becomes unavoidable, or they start eating into the estate.

Remember Jarndyce and Jarndyce (Dickens).

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Bromptonaut

The OP may have seen it aleady but here's what the justice website says about caveats:

www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/caveats

As others say you really need legal advice here, particulalry if you're thinking of challenging a will.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - marinerdb

Can anyone help with this situation? My mother passed away last year and in her will, she excluded one family member due to that persons thoroughly rotten and bullying behaviour towards her. This person knows fully why he was excluded, yet seeks to challenge the validity of the will. This person has no case, and he knows that, but he has chosen the route of challenging the will as this allows him to put a caveat in place. This caveat has been challenged and confirmed, so now it is permanent. The caveator has no intention of taking any action because he will not succeed. However, the system appears to allow him to simply do nothing. He has expressed his intention to simply wait for as long as it takes until I am forced to give in to his demands, which is to allow him a cut of the estate.

How can a system designed to protect the estate allow this state of affairs to exist? I am using a solicitor, but like others here have commented - I am running up huge bills and getting nowhere while the caveator simply ignorres my solicitor's letters and sits smugly and waits. Any suggestions?

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Avant

As I understand it, a caveat (a) lasts for only 6 months, so that the situation does have to be resolved,and (b) postpones the grant of probate - which again can't be put off forever. If the will named an executor(s), he/she/they get owership of the estate property, and deal with it according to the terms of the will, assuing that the will is valid.

It's very difficult to succeed in contesting a will: it normally happns only if the deceased provided for someone during their lifetime and fails to do so in the will.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - csgmart

Sound advice - seek legal advice.

From personal experiance (a tribunal by the way) I am no longer under the illusion that the justice system will deliver justice. The only thing you will get is a bill from the legal chaps and a feeling that you've been hard done by.

In future I intend to have nothing to do with the legal system unless no other option is available to me.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Bromptonaut

A couple o sites which explain the process for caveats including extension of the initial 6 months time limit and process when an 'appearance is entered'.

www.probate.uk.com/caveat_stopping_probate.html

www.stephensons.co.uk/site/individuals/contesting_.../

The question implies that an appearnce has been entered and that the caveat is a permanent block on proceedings.

As already suggested legal advice is next step. Unfortunately that will get very expensive very quickly with at least some cost falling on the estate and/or the person applying for Probate. Discussions should include possibility of some form of Alternative/Proportionate Dispute Resolution such as mediation, conciliation or arbitration.

The questioner may need to step back from the facts/perceptions about the will and act pragmatically for benefit of all beneficiaries (o/wise lawyers get the money!!)

Edited by Bromptonaut on 09/09/2014 at 15:27

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Leif

Sound advice - seek legal advice.

From personal experiance (a tribunal by the way) I am no longer under the illusion that the justice system will deliver justice. The only thing you will get is a bill from the legal chaps and a feeling that you've been hard done by.

In future I intend to have nothing to do with the legal system unless no other option is available to me.

I had to engage a solicitor when the neighbour of my late mother opened up a boundary dispute. As a result of that I came to the conclusion that although some solicitors are honest decent people, many have no moral compass and their aim is to maximise their profit by ensuring that the dispute continues. There are many many examples of huge sums of money spent on legal fees for no gain, although the legal profession does nicely out of it. It has little to do with justice and is a self serving monopoly, with little regulation except in the most egregious cases. It is best to avoid any dealings with solicitors if at all possible. Find out as much as you can from online sources.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - csgmart

There are many many examples of huge sums of money spent on legal fees for no gain, although the legal profession does nicely out of it. It has little to do with justice and is a self serving monopoly, with little regulation except in the most egregious cases. It is best to avoid any dealings with solicitors if at all possible. Find out as much as you can from online sources.

I work with a colleague who is going through the pain of trying to get his late mother's estate shared out between himself and his sister. I won't go into the details of the case but the first solicitor he engaged spent £4k of his money and at the end of a period of time basically said there is nothing more that could be done to secure his rightful inheritance. More recently my colleague engaged with another lawyer (having done much online investigation himself in the intervening period) and has now successfully got a decision in his favour by a judge.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - FP

I'm not signed up to this site, but for those wishing to inform themselves on legal matters it might be worth a visit:

www.legalbeagles.info

Their forum has a section entitled "Wills,Probate and Bereavement".

Edited by FP on 20/09/2014 at 16:18

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Leif

There are many many examples of huge sums of money spent on legal fees for no gain, although the legal profession does nicely out of it. It has little to do with justice and is a self serving monopoly, with little regulation except in the most egregious cases. It is best to avoid any dealings with solicitors if at all possible. Find out as much as you can from online sources.

I work with a colleague who is going through the pain of trying to get his late mother's estate shared out between himself and his sister. I won't go into the details of the case but the first solicitor he engaged spent £4k of his money and at the end of a period of time basically said there is nothing more that could be done to secure his rightful inheritance. More recently my colleague engaged with another lawyer (having done much online investigation himself in the intervening period) and has now successfully got a decision in his favour by a judge.

An interesting post. How does one find a competent solicitor? Hohum.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Bromptonaut

An interesting post. How does one find a competent solicitor? Hohum.

Personal reccomendation is best.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Leif

Personal reccomendation is best.

As for any trade I guess. The solicitor who handled my late mother's estate was found by recommendation and she was decent. But the practice closed when one partner was found to have been stealing money. Oops.

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - Sylvia Spencer

I know this is an old thread, but it came up when I was searching for probate and estate administration information recently. I have since found a fab website that offers loads of free information and guides about probate, and also has a very useful quote comparrison tool - I put the information in about my late husband's estate, and was able to compare fixed price probate quotes within a few minutes from a number of different solicitors.

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Edited by Avant on 10/03/2018 at 00:05

None - Wills and Probate Caveat removal. - FP

"I know this is an old thread..."

Yeah, we know it's an old thread too, and old threads mostly get resurrected by people who want to plant spam.