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Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
Hi all, As the title suggests I'm seeking some advice...

I split up with my ex husband and moved out in July.


Anyway, dropped our daughters to him on 20/12 and he gave me about a months' worth of post.

One letter looked official, and was a court letter saying I'd been convicted of failing to notify the driver of a vehicle.

Apparently my ex got caught speeding earlier in the year, but I've missed a court appearance for failing to notify them of the who was driving. Even though his car has nothing to do with me, I wasn't insured on it and it is registered to him. He went to court on 19/11 and was given 3pts and a fine as he admitted it. It was outside his work 30 miles away and they had a photo of a man driving!

Apparently they still prosecuted me in my absence on 04/12 (as my ex hadn't told me anything about it) and gave me 6pts and a £400 fine.

Because of a problem with DVLA last year, I retook my test after driving for 16 years as they lost my details!? I had to have licence quickly as I work for the NHS, so I retook my test rather than fight them. So anyway because I got 6 points (in apparently my first 2 years of driving) they have revoked my licence and I can't drive.

Been trying to sort it for weeks - everyone agrees (including police and courts) agree something went wrong but I have to go to court to explain and get it back. I've had the court's legal team looking into it now and they have admitted there are extenuating circumstances, although they won't advise what these are!

The latest advice the courts have is to send in a letter outlining above and they will give me a new court date as if it was my first appearance.

I've been distraught over this, am struggling to get to and from work and having to leave my children alone for half an hour mornings and afternoons because of bus times. My Xmas was ruined as I couldn't visit family as planned. I can't get legal aid as it's a motoring offence and I'm at my wit's end!!

Any advice!? xxx
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
To clarify, I passed my test in 1998 when photo cards were introduced. When I physically lost my photo licence, I applied for a new one and the DVLA said although they had my pass certificate on file from 98, they never received an application for a licence. I argued that I had had one for 15 years but it was useless!
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
Also, I was insured for entire 16 year period and have had no convictions or points in all that time!
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Simon

If the car is registered to him, how have you ended up embroiled in his speeding offence by failing to identify the driver of car that was not yours???

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
This is my point! I have no link to the car except we were together for 17 years (not married, but I took his surname) and that I was linked to the same address!?!?
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
The car was even a manual and I only have an automatic licence - not that this means I couldn't have driven it - but that's another bit of evidence in my favour!!
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - FP

"I had to have licence quickly as I work for the NHS, so I retook my test rather than fight them."

That might have seemed a good idea at the time, but of course it now turns out to have been a short cut not worth taking. Not that all the stuff to do with your ex's speeding should have landed on you anyway.

I think you'll have to wait and see what happens in court. Only a solicitor specialising in motoring law might be able to give you advice beforehand, as it's an unusual case.

You made a slightly unwise mistake and then there has been some administrative mix-up. And now you have got caught up in something much bigger - bad luck for you.

Edited by FP on 08/01/2014 at 22:47

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Dwight Van Driver

Camera detections of speerding lead to paperwork being sent to the REGISTERED OWNER of the vehicle involved. This will include a request under S172 Road Traffic Act 1988 to name the driver so that they can take action. No name no action for speeding. BUT, if the form is not returned in 28 days they can take action to a Magistrates for the offence of failing to name driver.

But stated you were not Reg keeper.

There is second leg (b) to the S172 request:

(2)Where the driver of a vehicle is alleged to be guilty of an offence to which this section applies—

(a)the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and

(b)any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver.

(3)Subject to the following provisions, a person who fails to comply with a requirement under subsection (2) above shall be guilty of an offence.

(4)A person shall not be guilty of an offence by virtue of paragraph (a) of subsection (2) above if he shows that he did not know and could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained who the driver of the vehicle was.

Note the defence to (a) but not to (b)????????

So have they information under (b).

Did hubby name you as driver without informing you so that you would take the rap? If he did then then you should have been sent the 172 request, which has gone astray because of your domestic position and not received or purposely destroyed?.

Not received back they have gone into prosecution mode and should have issued summons for the offence before the Court case leading to the fine. This too seems to have gone astray.

With 28 days of first becoming aware of the Court case you have the optrion of making a statutory declaration to the Court Office to have the conviction set aside and new court date/appearance arranged so that you can set out your case as explained above in a Not Guilty plea.

Regarding the Licence.......the fact that they only have a record of the pass certificate and no issue a Licence following that pass which expired after 2 years could be argued that you were not the holder of a Licence for the purposes of Licence revocation (6 points in 2 years from passing test- Road Traffic ( New Drivers) Act 1995) and secondly your insistence you passed the first test years ago and therefore outside the 2 year limit.

You will need to get evidence of this first Licence. Badger DVLA. Check Insurance - did you give them details of a Licence number????? Check with NHS - if you were an authorised driver they would need a record of your Licence. Have you hired a car?

This is a real can of worms and will need careful sorting to resolve.

Keep us informed of your progress.......a very intereting case and a warning to others to photocopy Licences for again DVLA it seems have goofed.

As stated it could require a Solicitor well versed in Traffic Law to unravel which could be costly. Consider a session with one that has a free first consultation to gen up on aspects and then at Court seek out the Duty Court Solicitor to help your case.

dvd

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Collos25

DVD I think is correct in putting forward the possibility that your ex has named you as the driver of the car.

Edited by Collos25 on 09/01/2014 at 09:42

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - FP

I have read DVD's post and note Collos's, but I'm still puzzled.

The OP says, "I've missed a court appearance for failing to notify them of the who was driving. Even though his car has nothing to do with me, I wasn't insured on it and it is registered to him. He went to court on 19/11 and was given 3pts and a fine as he admitted it. It was outside his work 30 miles away and they had a photo of a man driving!

"Apparently they still prosecuted me in my absence on 04/12 (as my ex hadn't told me anything about it) and gave me 6pts and a £400 fine."

She says she was prosecuted for failing to name, not for having been the offending driver. But she also says the car is registered to her ex. (So why is it her responsibility to name? Was it registered to her at the time?) Her ex was also prosecuted for... what, exactly?

The more you look at this the less sense it makes.

Perhaps the OP has been less than clear.

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Collos25

I also think the facts as written do not tally I think DVD and myself have given an answer to one scenario whether this is the correct scenario we will probably never know.

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
Sorry for the delay. Apparently, my ex initially received 2 court letters - one addressed to each of us at my old house where he still lives.

He opened his - then realised mine would be related so opened that too.

Both letters were asking us to appear for failure to notify driver.

He attended court - explained I was nothing to do with vehicle. They dropped his failure to notify and prosecuted him for original speeding offence. Then said they would still need to see me, so would adjourn my case(!?).

I wasn't informed of this by him, and they sent letter to his address again. Again not received till 20/12/13 when they'd already prosecuted me in my absence for failure to notify driver.

I honestly have never had ANY link to that car and have NEVER driven it. My ex is also adamant he would not and has not ever named me - as he said, why would he admit offence if he had?

Hope this clarifies a really messed up
Situation!!
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
Initially courts advised a stat dec hearing, but then their legal team cancelled my hearing and said that was not the correct route as (and I quote) there are "extenuating circumstances", but now they're saying I will need to appear as if I was attending first case. I am baffled!?

Edited by gillie-bean on 12/01/2014 at 15:26

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - gillie-bean
He had failed to fill out original letter asking him to name the driver - as he forgot!! Hence them prosecuting us - although I am still no clearer as to why I was ever dragged into this!?
Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Simon

To me, his story doesn't add up. How can they drag you into it with no prompting from him, you aren't the registered keeper of the car. Are you sure that he didn't at any point name you as the driver???

Edited by Simon on 12/01/2014 at 18:49

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Armitage Shanks {p}

See earler helpful suggestion - "require a Solicitor well versed in Traffic Law to unravel which could be costly. Consider a session with one that has a free first consultation to gen up on aspects and then at Court seek out the Duty Court Solicitor to help your case."

Help/Advice needed - licence revoked! - Dwight Van Driver

I am still at a loss as to how they have dragged you into S172 (name and shame). The obligation initially is on the REG KEEPER of which you state you are not but HE is. Are you sure you are not joint? If this was the case then they have authority to do so.

OR as previously stated hubby has done a dirty and given information about you. eg Initial form to him reply " Dont know who was driver may have been wife" which opens up second leg of request. This later retracted and he has admitted being driver hence fine for speeding. In the meantine they have served request on you which was not actioned.Offence.

Up tp you as to how to proceed. Accept and pay or as advised go for new hearing and explain with a Not Guilty Plea.

dvd