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MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

On 28th December I paid 100 deposit for a car. The dealer told me he needed 1 week to get the car ready. After 1 week I went to collect the car. I paid the rest and I got the car. At home I realized there have been some changes to the car, so I went to have the car tested for another MOT. Unfortunately, it did not pass. The dealer changed the tyres which influenced the MOT results. What is more, there is a different problem with the car, not the advisory item given by the garage where the car was tested 5 days before I paid the deposit. I called the garage and they told me they would look into it, but sometimes they would tell people about problems, sometimes they would not. I bought the car based on the MOT. I trusted a service which obviously wasnt delivered at the high standard it should. Plus the battery needs changing. After 1 mile, the light on board was on.

To have the repairs done if nothing else will be discovered to be wrong, I will have to pay around 500 pounds. The garage is to be blamed for the mechanical problems and the dealer for changing car parts. The dealer gave me a useless 3 months warranty whoch does not cover this. He also put a sticker for the ileage, the form for the warranty is wrong. I called him and asked about it. He told me to get a pen and change the wronf details. How can I get this sorted out? I have 10 days to have the repairs done and have the car tested for another MOT.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - quizman

How much did you pay for the car?

You should take the car back to the dealer and ask for a refund and quote the sales of goods act. If no responce go to Trading Standards. Do not have the car repaired by another garage, let the selling dealer sort it out.

Let us know how you get on please.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Cyd

You should do one of three things:

demand a full refund
or
demand a full refund
or
demand a full refund

Which of these you decide upon is up to you.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - NARU

Illegal to sell a car with defective tyres.

Changing items after the MOT would also be an offence under the CPRs www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/cpregs...f

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart
The reason for refusal was 001 nearside front suspension arm rubber bush bonding deteriorated resulting in excessive movement.
The MOT issued in December had only one advisory item: 001 N/S/F Wishbone bush splitting up.
If it is really true, then it shouldn't have passed the first time, right?
I was thinking about going to the garage where the first MOT was issued and talk to them. After this, I want to talk to the dealer and sort out the tyres and the battery. I doubt he will be sympathetic . He had changed the wiper blades and when I asked him about them, he didnt react very well, he got annoyed and started swearing.
The car drives ok, so I would like to keep it but somebody has to pay for the repairs. Obviously, I have already paid a deposit for car insurance.
MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

Well, the dealer can easily say that I changed the tyres or it is not his fault as the car had a valid MOT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ADVICE.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - RT

It shouldn't happen but MoT testers can be manipulated - both dealers and private sellers will do this when trying to sell on a marginal car.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - alan1302

I think you have two options - take the car back and get a full refund. Or let the dealer get away with it and pay for the repairs.

No other options.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

I emailed VOSA and Trading Standard Services to request advice. Can I drive the car in the meantime or is it an offence?

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Simon

How do you know that the tyres and wiper blades have been changed? What is wrong with the ones that are NOW fitted to the car???

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

I asked him to replace the wiper blades before I left. They had put some which were falling apart. I saw the tyres were not the ones I had seen when I had paid the deposit but his attitude made me not mention it.When I tested the car, the wiper blades and tyres were in good condition. When I had the MOT done today, I also got nearside front tyre thread depth below requirements of 1.6 mm. I am not imagining or looking for trouble.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Andrew-T

The only reason for you to keep the car (i.e.not to ask for your money back) would be that you like driving it, and it was such an unmissable bargain that it is worth your while to get put straight.

Sounds as if you may have confrontational problems though. It also sounds as if the seller enjoys swopping knackered parts before customers collect.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Ethan Edwards

Read the tiltle, How on earth can an MOT fail? Did the paper crease or the ink fall off the certificate?

The MOT is just a statement that at the time the car was presented for inspection it was roadworthy. Nothing more. It is no guarantee for 12 months or three years of even three minutes afterwards.

Your beef is with the dealer under the Sale of Goods Act. In your circumstances take the car back get a refund then run... don't walk away.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - skidpan

Can I drive the car in the meantime or is it an offence?

If the car has illegal tyres you will be committing an offence even if you only drive the car back to get a refund or the work carried out.

The max penalty is 3 points and a £2500 fine per tyre.

Most insurance policies state that if you drive a car in an unroadworthy state you would invalidate your insurance.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - quizman

Please tell us how much the car cost.

Nearly every reply has told you to take the car back and get a refund. This is your right under the law of the land. If you feel uncomfortable confronting the dealer why not take a friend along with you.

I've re read your posts and you still have not been back to talk to the dealer. How on earth can you sort this out if you do not go to the dealer???

It's good to talk.

Edited by quizman on 08/01/2014 at 18:14

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Gibbo_Wirral

This problem was posed on this forum, there's more information and feedback here:

www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1265323

I liked this bit you posted:

I could test the car for less than 2 miles because the dealer said they had no insurance to drive the car on the motorway. It was more like drive around the block test.

And to re-iterate what was also posted there - places like Halfords and Kwik fit can be far more stringent on their MOT tests, so its not surprising that they failed the bush when another marked it as a warning.


Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 09/01/2014 at 13:38

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

I will go to the dealer tomorrow. I work during the day so I could get there. VOSA hasnt replied yet.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - quizman

I'm dying to know what make of car it is and how much it cost because I think it makes a bit of difference to our answers, which are being completely ignored.

Does anyone here remember the post about the chap who was going to drive a long way abroad, then come back and then return on some sort of delivery job? It seemed impossible to do such mileages, I wish I could remember his name. The OP reminds me of him.

Was his name Venkies or something like that?

Edited by quizman on 09/01/2014 at 18:53

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - focussed

Most insurance policies state that if you drive a car in an unroadworhy condition state you would invalidate your insurance.

Not true- the insurance company may try to wriggle out of the comprehensive part of the policy but there is no way they can evade their liability to third parties, EU law states that they cannot, since 2009 as I recall.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - RT

Most insurance policies state that if you drive a car in an unroadworhy condition state you would invalidate your insurance.

Not true- the insurance company may try to wriggle out of the comprehensive part of the policy but there is no way they can evade their liability to third parties, EU law states that they cannot, since 2009 as I recall.

Even under the earlier UK law, third-party cover can't be invalidated - which is why insurers can/do cancel policies through a specified process.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

I drove the car from Wakefield to Leeds, then to Bradford. I made one return journey Bradford- Manchester.Then I went to the garage to have it tested after being on the motorway and felt like the wind will sweep me away at 50mph.

When I turn right, there is an annoying noise, too.

I have done my research in the meantime and I will pay less for the repairs.

Halfords do charge a lot.

I bought the car because it has a cheap insurance and it is the right time I am insured. It is a Ford kA, 2003.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - badstart

I went to the garage. They told me they would not risk their neck for 30 quid. It seems the tyres are still ok. I saw the dealer afterwards and felt like a fool. He came with a tool to measure how worn the tyres were. It seems they are not under 1.6mm as Halfords said.

When I mentioned the dealer that the light for battery keeps flickering on and off, he asked one of his mechanics to have a look at the car. One of the wires of the alternator was not connected. He connected them, but the light was on all the time so they decided to change the alternator. Because it was 3.30, I had to leave the car there. They want to buy a second hand alternator and fix the car.

Did I do wrong or...?

They were a bit rude and kept saying I should have no expectations from an old car.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - Gibbo_Wirral

A bit of both, you should expect the worst from an old car, but on the other hand it should leave their forecourt in a safe and generally good condition.

Small dealers usually buy these cars very cheap from auctions (being in Sheffield you've got a few on your doorstep). They in turn usually come from bigger garages who've taken them in part exhange from a new or almost new car and either don't want the hassle of selling an old banger, or have inspected it and find it needs more on repairs than their profit margin will give them on said car.

These smaller dealers probably give it a valet and quick once over from a junior or a mechanic mate and sell them, knowing full well that you won't get much comeback from Consumer Direct because you have to expect an old car won't be perfect.

Any problems are then their word against yours and its then down to you to get it checked by a third party, pay the costs for rectifying it if they refuse and then trying to get your money back in the small claims court. Most people won't want the hassle.

You've learnt the lesson of a main chain MOT - its the same with Kwik Fit. Their MOTS might be "cut price" but I bet they always find things that need doing. That's the problem with "advisories" and a company witha vested interest in advising them!

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - quizman

Now we find it's a 11 year old Ford Ka which has a design life of about 7 years. You gave them a deposit of £100 which is all it is worth.

Good God man you have bought a wreck, whatever do you expect?

Edited by quizman on 11/01/2014 at 16:55

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - galileo

Now we find it's a 11 year old Ford Ka which has a design life of about 7 years. You gave them a deposit of £100 which is all it is worth.

Good God man you have bought a wreck, whatever do you expect?

You are lucky that an 11 year old Ka was still more steel than rust, they are usually in need of lots of welding by that age.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - xtrailman

Dont try to remove the spark plugs if its petrol, they usually rust solid.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - pd

A lot of MOT items which are marginal passes are the opinion of the tester.

One tester saw a worn bush, decided it was a pass and made it an advisrory. Another tester saw a worn bush and failed it. MOT's are done by humans and are not always consistent.

Of course, it might the in the interests of Halfords to be stricter because they want to generate some business.....

To be honest, the dealer has fixed a few minor things on a cheap old 11 year old Ka. If the only quesiton mark is an iffy bush one tester thinks is a pass and another doesn't and an iffy alternator then you have got a result.

I think the dealer has been quite reasonable here.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - xtrailman

What by changing the tyres for some poorer ones?

Sounds more like taking advantage of someone who is vunerable.

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - pd

What by changing the tyres for some poorer ones?

Sounds more like taking advantage of someone who is vunerable.

Have they? The OP seems unclear. It would cost more to change a tyre on a Ka then the tyre is worth. It doesn't add up.

Last time I looked a Ka doesn't use 265/40/19 runflat Dunlops. :)

MOT failed after 150 miles---URGENT HELP - skidpan

Dont try to remove the spark plugs if its petrol, they usually rust solid.

Not in an 11 year old KA, it will have an old iron head. Its the alloy head models that can have issues if the plus are not removed annually.