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Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

Just bought a 2005 Focus Ghia 1.6 (100) with 59k on clock. All previous service history was perfect before last owner, but last owner had the car just over 2 years (14k miles driven), but never changed the oil or serviced it, just drove it. It was fully serviced just before he bought it. The car was very clean throughout, but I noticed the oil was low, so I got it changed as soon as I bought it. I really don't think the car has been abused, just the previous owner was clueless regarding regular servicing. The car drives lovely, no power loss etc, but I am a little concerned about the sound of the engine from cold. When revved, especially noticeable when the engine loses revs, it sounds like there is a lot of what sounds like tappet/cam noise. This goes completely when warm, but it just bugs me that the lack of oil change may have caused some starvation at the top end and caused premature wear. The video is from a cold start, taken from my smartphone, so not ideal. Can anyone tell from this what this could be? Thanks.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108562491/focus.mp4

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - skidpan

These engines have mehanical tappets that should be checked every 37,500 miles and reshimmed as necessary. It a strait forward job for any garage with the correct Ford tool and a pile of shims. Without the tool and pile of shims it can be a nightmare.

The noise goes when the engine warm because the tollerences close up but even when cold there should really be no rattle.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

These engines have mehanical tappets that should be checked every 37,500 miles and reshimmed as necessary. It a strait forward job for any garage with the correct Ford tool and a pile of shims. Without the tool and pile of shims it can be a nightmare.

The noise goes when the engine warm because the tollerences close up but even when cold there should really be no rattle.

Thanks very much for your informative reply. I have heard this engine is not hydraulic tappets (earlier ZETEC MK 1's are?) but is bucket and shims. It there a difference? How much would this cost to get done and where would be best, I live in Cornwall! Thanks again.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - skidpan

People get very confused over the Ford "Zetec" engine, Ford made it very confusing.

The original Zetec "E" was introduced in the Escort/Orion in the early 90's in 1600 and 1800 cc versions. This was then used in the Mondeo in 1600, 1800 and 2 litre versions. Some Fiestas (RS1800 I think) from this period also used this engine in 1800 cc version. This engine used a cast iron block and had hydraulic tappets and was commonly referred to as the "Silvertop" (cast alloy cam cover).

In about 1998 Ford modified the engine with a different block, sump and fitted solid tappets. It was used in 1800 and 2 litre versions in the late Mk2 Mondeo until 2000 and in the Mk 1 Focus until 2004. It was commonly referred to the "Blacktop" (black plastic cam cover.

What you have in your Focus is a totally unrelated engine that Ford originally called the "Zetec SE" (now refered to as the Sigma engine). It was designed in partnership with Yamaha and has no common parts with the above engines. It is all alloy costruction for starters and much smaller physically. Originally fitted to the Fiesta from about 1996 in 1250 and 1400 versions (later 1600 as well), it was used in the Focus Mk 1 and 2 in 1400 and 1600 versions, and the Puma had a special 1700 cc version. All engines have been fitted with solid tappets.

No doubt I have missed some cars that have used the above engines.

As for where to get the work done unless you have a particularly good Ford independant with all the special tools I would first have a word with your local Ford dealer and get them to have a listen, it may not be the tappets.

As for cost, how long is a piece of string.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - JONATHAN_11_80

Hi

I had a 2004 ford focus 1.6 (100) purchased it with 25,000 and part ex'd it with 105,000 full service history for another focus, the oil was changed every 4000 miles by me using 5w 30 oil.

The engine always had rattley tappets worse when cold but still present when hot especially on overun. I understood the noise was due to the fact the valve clearances are shimmed rather than hydraulic and nothing to worry about. The motor had a bit of piston slap as well when cold for the last couple of years aswell again nothing to worry about if it fades when warmed up.

The car and engine were very reliable and tough it never let me down in 7 years. I really wouldn't worry and just enjoy the car.

PS

My wifes 2007 ford fiesta 1.25 zetec se is also the same along with the piston slap thats done 45,000.

Edited by JONATHAN_11_80 on 26/12/2013 at 09:09

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

Hi

I had a 2004 ford focus 1.6 (100) purchased it with 25,000 and part ex'd it with 105,000 full service history for another focus, the oil was changed every 4000 miles by me using 5w 30 oil.

The engine always had rattley tappets worse when cold but still present when hot especially on overun. I understood the noise was due to the fact the valve clearances are shimmed rather than hydraulic and nothing to worry about. The motor had a bit of piston slap as well when cold for the last couple of years aswell again nothing to worry about if it fades when warmed up.

The car and engine were very reliable and tough it never let me down in 7 years. I really wouldn't worry and just enjoy the car.

PS

My wifes 2007 ford fiesta 1.25 zetec se is also the same along with the piston slap thats done 45,000.

Thanks very much for your informative post and it does give me some confidence. I just worry about leaving it unchecked with potential cam lobe wear etc. I want at least 4+ years from this relatively low mileage engine. I do about 12k a year mileage. Just wondering whether it's worth spending the money on getting it shimmed.

Edited by K21000 on 26/12/2013 at 18:29

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - madf

I would check

1. you have a genuine Ford oil filter. Pattern ones may not have a non return valve.

2. you have teh correct oil grade: iirc it needs 5W-30. Any thicker and you will get poor oilf lfow from cold.

Either could give tappet rattle from cold.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - JONATHAN_11_80

There was very little wear on my cam lobes as I checked them along with the clearances which were within spec. Dont worry some rattle others dont it will be fine. Just change the oil regularly. A focus is a good car. Always use 5w 30 and genuine parts.

Edited by JONATHAN_11_80 on 26/12/2013 at 19:36

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

Had local Ford dealer look at this today and they said there was a little bit of noise from the top end from cold but not to worry about it and they have heard much worse. They checked the timing which was spot on and test drove it. They said just keep to regular oil changes.

I still feel that I should have the valve clearences and cams checked though.... One thing I have noticed is there are some open threads on the rocker cover which I found odd. These look like they could potentially let water into the rocker cover to me. I know this car has had a new coil pack, plugs and replacement washer jets as it suffered the common problem of leaking washer jets which swamped the plugs and coil with water. Could these threads have let water into the top end at this time I wonder. Here is a pic of the threads.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezrv57fcy1cpml6/cover.jpg

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - skidpan

One thing I have noticed is there are some open threads on the rocker cover which I found odd. These look like they could potentially let water into the rocker cover to me.

Do the threads go all the way through? If they do you have an issue. If they are blind its not an issue and are simply there for perhaps bolting a cover on, maybe fitted to higher spec models.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

One thing I have noticed is there are some open threads on the rocker cover which I found odd. These look like they could potentially let water into the rocker cover to me.

Do the threads go all the way through? If they do you have an issue. If they are blind its not an issue and are simply there for perhaps bolting a cover on, maybe fitted to higher spec models.

Thanks for the tip. Just shone a light in there and there is a small gap after the bottom of each thread and then just solid plastic. All holes are the same. I can't see any engine parts or oil there. I prodded the plastic gently and its solid.

Not sure about the optional spec for engine covers etc, but I thought mine was the top specced Focus of that year being a Ghia, well for trim anyway...

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - Galaxy

Those "threads" can't be open to the contents of the rocker covers because, if they were open, oil would absolutely pour out of them when the engine was running!

If they are threads then they must be "blind". Could they be for fitting a plastic cover over the engine, for example? Just try putting a small screwdriver into one of the holes; I'm quite sure it won't go very far.

Ford Focus MKII Ghia 1.6 (100) 2005 - Top end noise from cold? Focus Ghia II (100) - K21000

Those "threads" can't be open to the contents of the rocker covers because, if they were open, oil would absolutely pour out of them when the engine was running!

If they are threads then they must be "blind". Could they be for fitting a plastic cover over the engine, for example? Just try putting a small screwdriver into one of the holes; I'm quite sure it won't go very far.

Just checked with Ford spares and they said there is no standard cover for these fitted and no optional extras. Strange. Wonder what they are for?