Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232
I am looking to trade in my 11 plate BMW 318d for one of the following:

12 plate Golf 2.0 TDi

Or

10 plate Tiguan 2.0 TDi 4motion

Both of which are roughly the same price. Any views on which is the better buy and which is likely to hold value better?

Thanks
Golf vs Tiguan - thunderbird

Totally different cars,without knowing what your needs are its impossible to say which is the better buy.

If you want an economical medium hatch buy the Golf.

If you want a thirsty faux 4 x 4 with quite a small boot buy the Tiguan.

Golf vs Tiguan - bazza

Unless you really need a (very) limited amount of off-road ability, there is no logic in buying the Tiguan, It's out of warranty, older than your current transport and more of a financial liability. Heavier than a Golf plus 4wd means significantly higher running costs. I would go for the Golf of these two. Compact pseudo SUVs make no logical or financial sense.

Golf vs Tiguan - Collos25

Unless the BMW has starship mileage then you already have the better vehicle its in a different class to run of the mill VAG products.

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232
I had a Golf and the Mrs has a Scirrocco. The BMW has squeaks and rattles that neither VW did. I think BMW is a myth.

In addition it's next service is a major one and will cost several hundred quid. The VW is just a lit cheaper to maintain.
Golf vs Tiguan - skidpan

Why on earth would you want to trade in what is probably the best mid range saloon on sale for a hatch that is little newer or a psuedo 4 x 4 that is well out of warranty.

We need more info before we can advise but unless there is a major problem with the BMW keep it, that will cost you nothing.

If you must change the BMW consider the new model Seat Leon. I swapped my BMW for one a few months ago and its superb. Buy via a good broker and you will probably get a brand new Leon for the price of a used Golf. The new model Leon (like the new Golf) is bigger than the old one and way better equipped and finished.

Golf vs Tiguan - Avant

If you need a car the same size as your 1-series, follow the good advice from Skidpan. If you are thinking of the Touran because you would like something bigger, or 4wd, or higher off the ground, then look at the Skoda Octavia (hatch or estate) or the Yeti. For your budget you'll get newer models of SEATs or Skodas than you will VWs.

If through your previous experience you definitely want a VW, consider a Golf estate.

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232

Ok I think this is getting a little confusing so I'll try to clarify:

Firstly, the 2 cars I am considering are a Golf and a Tiguan, not a Touran. The reason for looking at the first is that I have had one before, know and like them, and find them to be eminently practical whilst also reliable and nice to drive. The latter is somewhat of a pipedream as I like them but the previous posts have, quite rightly, put me straight on the folly of that in that particular instance so let's forget the Tiguan option.

Why am I considering changing the BMW? Here goes:

1. It's auto and uses more diesel than I imagined. Not massively, but certainly more.

2. It's power is 'ok' but not exciting by any means. If I were buying another 3 series it would be the 320d, for sure.

3. Running costs - mine is due its next major service soon and the cost from a dealer (and yes I want to use a dealer to keep the 'full BMW history' bit...) is £595. That's a lot for essentially an oil and brake fluid change.

4. My insurance is due at around the same time as the above service. Another £600.

5. I spend half my time working away. The 3 series is in the garage half the time. That would be the same as any car, accepted.

Now, why am I therefore considering the Golf:

1. Hatchback - practical.

2. Smaller.

3. Running costs - significantly less than above, I have had one before. Road Tax is £30/p.a. Insurance is £400 vs >£600. Also much better mpg.

4. The Golf has the following which the BMW doesn't - Cruise, DAB Radio, USB iPod interface, much much better UI for its Bluetooth telephone system and radio - BMW's is awful.

In my mind the only reason I'm hesitating, as I frankly don't care about the badge and in my eyes the Golf is almost as engaging to drive, is whether the residual value on the VW is significantly less enough to warrant it being not a sensible decision.

As an aside, I haven't really bought into the 'BMW Quality' with this car - it has creaks and squeaks in the front cabin that my VW never did.

Hope that helps clarify why I am pondering.

Golf vs Tiguan - madf

I am confused.

Your car spends half its time in the garage, so you hardly use it.

But you are worried about its fuel consumption and running costs?

Does not make sense to me.

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232

Why? It's perfectly obvious. If I buy a car that has 'less' running costs, then my running costs will be less, regardless of what they are today.

You're also completely ignoring the other parts of my post ref servicing and insurance.

Golf vs Tiguan - artill

It seems to me you dont really like the BMW, and prefered your previous Golf.

If you have the money, dont worry about which makes the most financial sense, buy the car you like the most, life is too short, as they say

Golf vs Tiguan - csgmart

I am 'qualified' to answering this question having owned both a Golf and currently a Tiguan.

The Golf was OK but nothing special and the DMF failed shortly before I had decided to trade it in but that's just the luck of the draw I guess.

Tiguan is a totally different animal and despite what has been said above has a generous size boot. I suspect most of those who have 'poo pooed' both the Golf and the Tiguan have driven neither and I'm certainly not claiming they are in any way superior to any other car on the road. I chose the Tiguan because I liked it.

The Tiguan has a much better driving position and the drive all round is much better than the Golf. At just over 1 year old (and I plan to keep no more than the 3 year warranty period) I have no problems to report and it'll be someone else's worry not mine when I move it on. Not the most economical car I've owned but I knew that before I bought it. In the heavy [for us] snow earlier this year it's 4 x 4 capabilities successfully got me to work and back every day without any fuss.

Overall I can recommend it.

Golf vs Tiguan - skidpan

1. It's auto and uses more diesel than I imagined. Not massively, but certainly more.

2. It's power is 'ok' but not exciting by any means. If I were buying another 3 series it would be the 320d, for sure.

3. Running costs - mine is due its next major service soon and the cost from a dealer (and yes I want to use a dealer to keep the 'full BMW history' bit...) is £595. That's a lot for essentially an oil and brake fluid change.

4. My insurance is due at around the same time as the above service. Another £600.

5. I spend half my time working away. The 3 series is in the garage half the time. That would be the same as any car, accepted.

Now, why am I therefore considering the Golf:

1. Hatchback - practical.

2. Smaller.

3. Running costs - significantly less than above, I have had one before. Road Tax is £30/p.a. Insurance is £400 vs >£600. Also much better mpg.

4. The Golf has the following which the BMW doesn't - Cruise, DAB Radio, USB iPod interface, much much better UI for its Bluetooth telephone system and radio - BMW's is awful.

In my mind the only reason I'm hesitating, as I frankly don't care about the badge and in my eyes the Golf is almost as engaging to drive, is whether the residual value on the VW is significantly less enough to warrant it being not a sensible decision.

As an aside, I haven't really bought into the 'BMW Quality' with this car - it has creaks and squeaks in the front cabin that my VW never did.

Hope that helps clarify why I am pondering.

Point by point

1. Autos will always use more fuel. Common knowledge.

2. My 118D was fine but in a bigger, heavier 3 series I would want the 320D without a doubt.

3. Had 2 services on my 118D, 2 year cost was £250, 4 year cost was £400. These were at a main dealer and included all the work including brake fluid changes. £650 for 4 years servicing was probably the cheapest I have ever had, way less than our old Golf.

4. All cars need insuring, differences are relatively small.

5. Why bother mentioning it.

1. If you wanted a hatchback why did you buy a soloon.

2. If you wanted a smaller car why did you buy a bigger one.

3. Road tax, insurance etc may be higher but how long will it take to recoup that money considering the extra money you are willing to spend on a new motor.

4. If you wanted that kit why did you buy a car without it.

Quality of my 1 series was fine, after 5 1/2 years no creaks groans or loose trim. paint was still perfect. Last Golf we had creaked and groaned from day one, exactly the same after 7 years.

If you want a different car buy one and enjoy it but don't try and make an economic justification for it, just never works.

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232

Point by point

1. Autos will always use more fuel. Common knowledge.

2. My 118D was fine but in a bigger, heavier 3 series I would want the 320D without a doubt.

3. Had 2 services on my 118D, 2 year cost was £250, 4 year cost was £400. These were at a main dealer and included all the work including brake fluid changes. £650 for 4 years servicing was probably the cheapest I have ever had, way less than our old Golf.

4. All cars need insuring, differences are relatively small.

5. Why bother mentioning it.

1. If you wanted a hatchback why did you buy a soloon.

2. If you wanted a smaller car why did you buy a bigger one.

3. Road tax, insurance etc may be higher but how long will it take to recoup that money considering the extra money you are willing to spend on a new motor.

4. If you wanted that kit why did you buy a car without it.

Quality of my 1 series was fine, after 5 1/2 years no creaks groans or loose trim. paint was still perfect. Last Golf we had creaked and groaned from day one, exactly the same after 7 years.

If you want a different car buy one and enjoy it but don't try and make an economic justification for it, just never works.

Point by point where it is worth responding:

1. I know - that's the issue.

2. I think we are in agreement - see my earlier post and one of the reasons I cited as a possible justification for divesting it.

3. Good. However I am not talking about your 118d, I am talking about my 318d and those are bona fide quotes from not one but two BMW dealers local to me. A Golf service is c.£250. Those are facts. £600 - £250 is a lot of money to me.

4. If you consider the difference in insurance at £400 and £650 small then that explains your final statement in that you can't formulate an economic argument. In the real world it's very easy to do. For the record my partner's insurance on a Scirrocco is £700 so there is a significant variance in insurance costs from person to person and car to car. It's why we shop around.

1a/2a - There are lots of people who buy a car thinking it's fine then realise they made a mistake - this forum is full of peope having done so. Abvoidable, but easily done. And forgivable.

3a - No time. The cost of changing would be negated by the cost of the outlay on insurance and servicing.

4a - See 1a/2a, above.

Quality - good I am glad you had a creak free experience. Mine however, which was the reason for my post, is anything but.

You can't formulate an economic argument to ascertain whether a car change is worth it? Really? Take a look at the countless threads on here that would dispute that. Petrol vs diesel, small vs large etc etc.

Golf vs Tiguan - madf

As nowhere do you mention depreciation - teh biggest cost of car ownership - your economics appear to have a BIG hole...

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232

As nowhere do you mention depreciation - teh biggest cost of car ownership - your economics appear to have a BIG hole...

Do people actually read what's being asked on this forum? Here's a verbatim cut and paste from my original post:

Any views on which is the better buy and which is likely to hold value better?

How on earth does that not indicate I am not considering it as one of the major factors in making a decision???

For the record a nobody has yet offered a view - how much difference in terms of depreciation between the two is there?

Golf vs Tiguan - skidpan

You can't formulate an economic argument to ascertain whether a car change is worth it? Really? Take a look at the countless threads on here that would dispute that. Petrol vs diesel, small vs large etc etc.

Very few threads on here (if any) conclude that changing your car and buying another solely for economic reasons is a good idea.

The facts regarding servicing in my personal experience are simple, (and a 3 series costs no more to service than a 1 series), if your local dealer are ripping you off go elsewhere. But its not the cost of a single service, its the cost of servicing during your ownership that matters. I expect my new Leon to cost me virtually the same as the BMW to service over 4 years. I have taken out a service deal for the first 3, total cost £370 then the 4th service is £249. Total £620 plus 2 MOT's @£39 each = £698. BMW was £650 + 1 MOT = £701 over the same period. No difference in cost, OK, I project £3 saving.

Insurance, changing from the BMW to the Leon saved me money, about £20 a year. To get the £250 saving you must be going to a very basic Golf.

How much are you planning to spend to change cars, if you are saving on servicing and insurance but are spending several £1000's to change it will take years to recoup your money. If its a strait swap you will be in pocket immediately. But since you have not said what you plan to spend we can only guess.

To several peoples surprise I have demonstrated on here many times that my118D saved me load of money when compared to the petrol equivalent. My wifes Kia Ceed SW CRDi has also saved her loads of money. My figures include the extra cost of buying and the better residuals a diesel normally gives.

But when I bought the Leon it was easy to see that the petrol made much more sense. My calculations showed that 50,000 miles was the break even point petrol/diesel, at 7,000 miles a year that's almost 7 years and I only keep a car for 5 years. So petrol it was for a very good reason.

So please don't accuse me of "You can't formulate an economic argument to ascertain whether a car change is worth it?" I know exactly what I am doing, do you? Without more info we cannot really second guess you.

Golf vs Tiguan - Ethan Edwards

Excuse me Skidpan but whats a Psuedo4x4? Do some of the wheels only pretend to be powered? Or is this a very personal assessment of the inate 'rufty tufty -ness'?

My XTrail has got me into work in a relaxed drama free way all through the worst winters snow/ ice / untreated side roads 75mile round trip. Mud n Snow OEM rubber fitted and yet whillst it is indeed a 4x4. Am I to worry that suddenly it's become somehow Pseudo?

Regrettably my offroading in it has been limited to muddy fields Caravan sites etc and not the Darien Gap or sixty five fathoms under the North Sea where I'm sure a RR evoque would be right at home. But the good old exy has never let me down yet. It's even out 4x4'd a Freelander (which was on stupid super wide low profile rubber) last winter.

But I now worry...Are there degrees of Pseudo ness perhaps? As I was looking at the Tiguan quite favourably over the more pricey Tuareg and presumably these are the questions I need to ponder then. ;)

Golf vs Tiguan - Dingle232

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So please don't accuse me of "You can't formulate an economic argument to ascertain whether a car change is worth it?" I know exactly what I am doing, do you? Without more info we cannot really second guess you.

I'll summarise by saying my figures from the BMW dealers and VW dealers have been given to me and ergo are the basis of my argument; I haven't made them up. They are from 2 dealers and have been quoted to me as standard prices for the service due. You obviously had a different experience.

Likewise with insurance quotes - I have been quoted those numbers so, regardless of what YOU paid, those are what I am accounting for because they are relevant to me and not 'like to be's'..

On that basis, and in that it will cost me £1k to change (btw to a 2.0 TDi Match, not a basic spec), I'll be breaking even (give or take a few quid) at Day One and saving thereafter.

The only variable, which is where I started this discussion, was in the relative depreciation costs which I still really don't have a handle on. I am working on the basis that the VW may be a tad lower but not much.

Golf vs Tiguan - Collos25

If you need a car the same size as your 1-series, follow the good advice from Skidpan. If you are thinking of the Touran because you would like something bigger, or 4wd, or higher off the ground, then look at the Skoda Octavia (hatch or estate) or the Yeti. For your budget you'll get newer models of SEATs or Skodas than you will VWs.

If through your previous experience you definitely want a VW, consider a Golf estate.

He has a 3 series not a 1 series.

Golf vs Tiguan - Avant

Sorry - I don't know why I thought you said you had a 1-series. You're right - the 320d is worth the extra cost over the 318d.

Undoubtedly a 1-year-old Golf will be a better bet than a 3-year-old Tiguan - but do bear in mind (especially as you say you don't care about the badge) that for the same budget you might even get a new SEAT Leon or Skoda Octavia. There are some good deals about.

Golf vs Tiguan - thunderbird

Facts regarding depreciation.

Your 318D will continue to depreciate but will not now take a sudden hit, you had that when you bought it.

The Golf will take a hit of several thousand pounds as soon as you drive away in then stabilise.

So you will be spending a thousand to buy a car worth less.

Not sensible.

Longer term based on current used car values the newer Golf will possibly be worth about the same as the older BMW if you theoretically changed them at the same time. So its a draw there but you would still be your initial outlay down.

But you say you don't do many miles so in my opinion buying another diesel is a barmy idea. If you must change your 318D get petrol and since you don't do many miles get a big one,look at a Golf GTi for example. Or possibly better value as Avant says a |Skoda Octavia with the same petrol turbo engines.

If you really want to move from the BMW do it but don't persuade yourself its a good idea finacially. It never works.

The only people who make money from cars are dealers and manufacturers.

Anyway, do the sums yourself, its easy enough.