Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling

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Sun 3 Nov 2013 13:55
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - cjpalmer

Hi

Any help would be great please!

I have a peugeot 807 2.2 Hdi. It's done 145k miles.

The problem is that it is rough at idle very bumpy, and it stalls repeatedly when revs under 1000rpm. Most commonly it stalls upon first use each day (time of day regardless) and will do this about 4 or 5 times before it finally allows me to drive.

Once I turn the key to start it, it starts and then gradually drops below the 1000rpm and then dies. It is not always responsive to the throttle during this time either.

If I park the car at work and dont use it for the 8 hours I'm there, it will often stall upon starting again later that day.

My fuel economy isn't great either - especially on urban driving, much better on long journeys.

I had no faults come up at my local garage, but this weekend I really struggled to get it to go, so my breakdown provider came out, they said it had a fault on it but couldn't read it for some reason.

I did have a warning light saying that my Anti Pollution Sensor was faulty, but I checked the additive and it still had plenty in it, and then I removed the pipe itself and cleaned all the carbon out of it too. At first it seemed to make a difference to the performance, but the sensor warning light still comes on on long journeys.

A friend of mine thinks it may be that my injectors are either blocked, broken or seized and this may be causing the problem. Will I need to replace them or can they be cleaned?

Thanks in advance of any help you can offer.

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Sun 3 Nov 2013 16:47
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

Do you have any more information on the car's history? When were the DPF and fuel filters last changed?

It might be worth checking those, doing a full service and trying some Liqui Moly Diesel Purge Injector Cleaner or similar.

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Sun 3 Nov 2013 18:20
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - cjpalmer

Hi

Thanks for responding.

We've not had the car very long so no idea on when fuel filters last changed, is that something I can do myself?

The DPF I did myself on the drive - jacked the car up, disconnected it all and washed it all through properly with a jet wash. But the Anti Pollution Light still comes on on long journeys and usually results in a loss of power.

I have been putting a diesel additive from Halfords in the fuel tank once a month, tried a few different brands, but don't think I've tried that one.

Is having that injectors cleaned an expensive job? Or do you not think the injectors are the issue?

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Mon 4 Nov 2013 14:17
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

Yes, the fuel filter is quite easy to change. Personally I do mine every 6000 miles, and I try not to use supermarket fuel if I can help it. The best diesel additive I've come across is Miller's EcoMax. You can pick it up from Halfords for around £12 but its less than a tenner on Ebay.

Before throwing more parts at the problem it might be worth doing a Planet diagnostic to see if any faults are being logged. If you've had the "antipolution fault" on screen then there should be something logged. Its possible that the car isn't regenerating for some reason - there could be a couple of reasons for this, including faulty glow plugs or glow plug relay or a non functioning cooling fan, or even a dirty fuse in the engine bay fuse box which controls the additive injection.

There's a map of Peugeot Planet owners and operators here:

maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=214397633218647067111...e

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Mon 4 Nov 2013 14:28
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - skidpan

The DPF I did myself on the drive - jacked the car up, disconnected it all and washed it all through properly with a jet wash.

Sorry to tell you but you have completely wasted your time. Jet washing does not work on a DPF and never will. The soot particles are chemically bonded to the matrix, the only way to remove them is by a regen which involves burning them off at temps over 600 degrees C.

This is an old wives tale. The only cure for a blocked DPF is a new one. If it was a simple a washing the blocked one out all garages would be offering the service.

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Tue 5 Nov 2013 14:23
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

I disagree. I can point you in the direction of dozens of Peugeot owners who have pressure washed their DPF and got extra life out of it.

A soot particle may indeed be bonded to the matrix, but the soot particles attached to those can be washed away, and some garages DO offer the service.

The only ones which don't are Peugeot dealers because its much more lucrative to get the customer to buy a new system.

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Tue 5 Nov 2013 14:30
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - skidpan

I disagree. I can point you in the direction of dozens of Peugeot owners who have pressure washed their DPF and got extra life out of it.

A soot particle may indeed be bonded to the matrix, but the soot particles attached to those can be washed away, and some garages DO offer the service.

The only ones which don't are Peugeot dealers because its much more lucrative to get the customer to buy a new system.

Disagree with me if you want but I am correct on this matter.

And have these people thought about the environmental and safety impact of doing this. The particles are highly toxic and carcenegnic, are they simply washing them down the drains. If they are they should be prosecuted.

If Peugeot (and other makes) were able to offer such a service they would since if it worked there would be a DPF washing station in very town competing with them. The reason there is no DPF washing station is simple, it does not work.

And the garages that offer this service, do they dispose of the waste in a correct manner and give a garantee, I bet they do.

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Tue 5 Nov 2013 14:31
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

(Duplicate post)

Edited by Avant on 05/11/2013 at 18:13

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Wed 6 Nov 2013 22:50
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Avant

Moved to Technical.

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Wed 6 Nov 2013 23:06
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - cjpalmer

Thanks for your responses.

Cleaning the DPF was done as a suggestion from a friend of ours. In all honesty, it did make a difference for a short while, but then it returned to it's old habits, I don't think I cleaned it well enough.

I'm not convinced that the DPF is related to the stalling issue though - or could it be?

Someone else suggested that it could the the EGR valve????

Also - does anyone know how to tighten the handbrake on this car? Feeling a little loose?

Thanks everyone!

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Thu 7 Nov 2013 11:00
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

I've never encountered a faulty EGR cause stalling, its normally a power issue or hesitation / "hiccup" when accellerating.

A good way to check is to leave the car overnight, then disconnect the MAF electrical plug, or the electrical connector or disconnect the vacuum pipe going to the EGR valve and block it with a golf tee then take it for a drive. That way the car will keep the valve closed and you can then determine whether to replace the valve or buy a blanking plate.

However, only mess with the vacuum pipes if you know where they are and what you're doing. It could be very easy to unplug the wrong one and lose brake vacuum!

I'm not sure where you're located but it could be worth joining peugeotforums.com and getting some advice from members on there, there's quite a few who've done the EGR modifications, and a local member might be able to physically show you the modification.

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Thu 7 Nov 2013 11:18
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - skidpan

Cleaning the DPF was done as a suggestion from a friend of ours. In all honesty, it did make a difference for a short while, but then it returned to it's old habits, I don't think I cleaned it well enough.

Its got nothing to do with the way you cleaned it, its a simple fact that you CANNOT clean a DPF out using a jet wash. The only way is a regen.

The fact that it did not work proves this.

Perhaps you should have added that to your original post.

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Thu 7 Nov 2013 14:13
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Gibbo_Wirral

OK, you've made your point, you don't like people cleaning DPFs. Do you have a DPF replacement business or something?

However, have a browse round any car forums and you'll see its done quite a lot, quite successfully too.

Or are they all lying?


CJPalmer - if you want advice on DPF cleaning, just go onto one of the Peugeot forums, there's a few around, and you won't get berated for mentioning it, Skidpan clearly has an issue with it and won't listen to any other opinions.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 07/11/2013 at 14:18

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Wed 14 Apr 2021 07:09
Peugeot 807 2.2 HDI 2004 - Peugeot 807 Stalling - Nayls87

As this post was from over 7 years ago I don't hold out too much hope on a response but what ever happened to that car? I have an 08 Peugeot 807 doing the same thing

Thanks

James

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