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Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Hello,

Just wanted to share you the nightmare day we had yesterday, buying and more importantly taxing a new car. If anyone has any advice etc, please respond as we really need all the help we can get.

So, last week, my girlfriend was crashed into by some young kid on the way to work. The lad paid her the value of the car, for the damage (and obviously allowed her to keep it so it can be sold for scrap or spares and repair), so we started the hunt for a new one. We found a nice luxuryKa about 40 miles away and decided go see it. She was chuffed to bits with it, so she put a deposit down on Friday and we agreed to go back yesterday.

The car was SORN'd, so we were told we'd need a certificate of motor insurance or a cover note to get it taxed. After changing her insurance, she asked for a cover note. Direct Line told her they don't do cover notes but to use the policy outline on their website from her online account, which is valid proof of a policy. I must admit, I was skeptical, but we drove the 40 mile trip to the car with the documents in-hand and popped into the local post office. The female worker told us she couldn't put it through as it was neither a cover note, nor certificate of motor insurance. The woman told her, that if Direct Line could email a cover note (she gets emails on her phone so this was a perfectly realistic option), that would be acceptable.

In a panic, my girlfriend phoned Direct Line and asked them for a cover note as she was now without a car. They firstly informed her that they do not use e-mail as a form of communication. Absolutely flabbergasted, my girlfriend asked "why do you use an online policy manager then?". Direct Line told her that it simply allows you to view active policies, but that 'Direct Line does not acknowledge e-mail as a valid form of communication'. They told her the only way they could do it was via Fax at a charge of £9.50. After reminding them that nobody has used Fax since about 1997, we started walking around the area looking for a random shop that might have a fax machine and would be willing to let us use it. After about 10 minutes, we found a bookstore who said we could use theirs. Result? No chance.

My girlfriend phoned Direct Line and informed them we'd found a Fax machine. She was told that they would happily fax the documents at 9am the next day! This was at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, so it wasn't like they were even close to closing time. She was told they were 'really busy' and had to prioritize their team members. By this point getting quite emotional, my girlfriend pleaded on the phone that we'd driven quite a long way and that she had no way of getting to University or Work unless they did this for her. Let's be honest, how long does it take to b***** fax a document? The staff member told her they would extend the insurance on the old car for 5 days. Despite being repeatedly told that the car needed taxing today, the phone operator told my girlfriend "why don't you get your policy documents special delivery, it only costs 14.95". My girlfriend angrily told them that she'd paid enough considering they'd already charged her a fair whack in administration fees for simply changing the car.

So my girlfriend is now driving around in a car which has quite a lot of rear end damage and is probably unsafe. Hope she doesn't get pulled by the police, I wonder who they would blame.

Cheers Direct Line. What was that motto again? "When it comes to insurance, our customers are our b**** ?"

Edited by Skezza on 22/10/2013 at 12:03

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Cris_on_the_gas

Concerned by what you have stated above that you have transferred her insurance to the new vehicle but then state you are driving the old one. Are you certain she is driving this Insured? In addition if the vehicle has sharp edges then its in contravention of Construction & Use regulations and if stopped by police might get a prohibition notice.

As Direct line have got this insured can't you do an online application for tax disc, for this you need the Reg Doc (V5C) which assume you have. You can check if it's insured on the Motor Insurance Database

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Concerned by what you have stated above that you have transferred her insurance to the new vehicle but then state you are driving the old one. Are you certain she is driving this Insured? In addition if the vehicle has sharp edges then its in contravention of Construction & Use regulations and if stopped by police might get a prohibition notice.

As Direct line have got this insured can't you do an online application for tax disc, for this you need the Reg Doc (V5C) which assume you have. You can check if it's insured on the Motor Insurance Database

Thanks for your reply. Direct Line told her that they would extend the existing vehicles insurance for 5 days, while the policy documents come through (let's hope they come before Friday eh? That's when it runs out again!).

Looking at the car again, there isn't any sharp corners on the upside of the bumper, so you couldn't run your hand across it and get cut or hurt, but there is a number of sharp edges underneath where part of it has crumpled. To me, this would be enough to want to stop driving it as it's clear there is more damage behind the bumper that cannot be seen, but my girlfriend has no other way of getting to University, or Work.

Regarding taxing online, we were going to do it last night, but the website told us that the tax disc would be sent to the previous address because the logbook is still obviously in the previous owners name. Do you think it's worth doing it anyway or just waiting for the documents to come and doing it in the post office ?

Edited by Skezza on 22/10/2013 at 13:06

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - tony g
Hi skezza,

You don't say whether you bought the car from a private or trade seller .

If you bought from a trade seller , the trader can use his trade 'any car policy to tax the car , using the v5 c2 part of the reg doc .

By using the green c2 part of the reg doc and putting the dealers name on the c2 ,you can tax the car ,but not register it to the dealer ,don't offer the rest of the v5 to the post office .

You can do the same thing if the private seller still has a cover note that's valid for the car .

You don't have to physically have a cover note from direct line to be insured ,just have them confirm by e mail that you are covered .
Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Collos25

Is all done on line she could have taxed the car without any problem assuming DL insured the new car.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Is all done on line she could have taxed the car without any problem assuming DL insured the new car.

Isn't this a crime? Failing to display?

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza
Hi skezza, You don't say whether you bought the car from a private or trade seller . If you bought from a trade seller , the trader can use his trade 'any car policy to tax the car , using the v5 c2 part of the reg doc . By using the green c2 part of the reg doc and putting the dealers name on the c2 ,you can tax the car ,but not register it to the dealer ,don't offer the rest of the v5 to the post office . You can do the same thing if the private seller still has a cover note that's valid for the car . You don't have to physically have a cover note from direct line to be insured ,just have them confirm by e mail that you are covered .

As I said in the original post, Direct Line refuse to acknowledge e-mail as a means of communication. Yep, that's right, they won't use e-mail at all and apparently Direct Line online accounts are for simply viewing your insurance only. They told us they only use fax. We ran around for 10-15 minutes looking for a place with a fax machine and when we did, they told us that they were too busy and would send it at 9am the next morning despite my girlfriend begging on the phone that they send it a.s.a.p that day so it could be sorted. Terrible customer service if you ask me, but that's insurance companies for you. We know what they think of existing customers.

The car was from a private seller, so such policy didn't exist :( The private seller did not have a cover note, or any insurance at the time as his wife (the registered owner of the vehicle) has been severely injured from a bodged operation and is now registered disabled and is having a specialis automatic car, which means the whole tax/insurance situation has changed.

It's a nightmare to be honest. Currently, we're in the situation of waiting for Direct Line to send the documents and then returing to tax it this weekend. My worry is that they've already been absolutely useless, who knows when we're going to get these through. We've already paid for the car and have the keys, yet simply have no way of getting it back short of a low loader. Incredibly, the woman in the post office suggested we drive it un-taxed which is clearly how cumbersome this whole process has become. Just mental.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - focussed

I was messed about by a bunch of amateurs called E-sure years ago over motorcycle insurance. The bike was insured by them and was on sorn and the mot had expired. I recalled reading on the policy document that the bike had to have an mot certificate "at all times". I rang them and told them the situation and asked if it would be ok to ride to a pre-booked mot appointment. Oh no they said, you will have to use a trailer to get the bike to the mot station. Needless to say they lasted about another 15 minutes as my insurer as I swiftly got insurance with another company who had a normal grasp of what customers expect from their insurer.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - martint123

I was messed about by a bunch of amateurs called E-sure years ago over motorcycle

I got exactly the same some years ago from ebikeinsurance

Dear Customer
Thank you for your email.

The underwriter has advised me that unfortunately you will not be
insured to drive to the MOT centre.

The only way around it would be to get them to pick your vehicle up.

If I can be of further help, please contact me.
--
Faye Harding
Helpdesk

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Still waiting for the Insurance Documents to come from Direct Line, yet the insurance on the car she is currently driving expires after tomorrow. Now a lottery of what to do eh? I've suggested she phones up and demands another 5 days free of charge, as it is their fault we've not been able to tax the car, but any other suggestions?

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Collos25

Having read all the string its pretty obvious the OP is making things very hard for themselve insurance is done on line without any problems your insurance certificates would be available in 30minutes of any purchase or change and with this document if you did not wish to do the transaction on line a tax disc could be obtained from the Post Office.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - FP

"...insurance is done on line without any problems your insurance certificates would be available in 30minutes..."

You would think so, Collos. However, the OP says, "They (Direct Line) told her (the girldfriend) the only way they could do it was via Fax at a charge of £9.50." Maybe DL got that wrong, but that's what the OP says.

If that's correct, it's not fair to say the OP is making things hard for themselves.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - nortones2

I recall one insurance rep saying they had no facility to email/fax a dealer a copy of my insurance certificate. Just a local initiative to avoid work. They were usually very good.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Having read all the string its pretty obvious the OP is making things very hard for themselve insurance is done on line without any problems your insurance certificates would be available in 30minutes of any purchase or change and with this document if you did not wish to do the transaction on line a tax disc could be obtained from the Post Office.

As FP said (And I stated in the original post). Direct Line refuse to send insurance documents (inc. certificate of motor insurance) via e-mail as they do not acknowledge it as a legitimate method of communication. Do not ask me why, because I don't know and to me it makes no sense considering they have an Online Policy Manager. After doing a bit of Googling on my lunch break at work yesterday, there was the suggestion that Direct Line don't consider e-mail secure enough. Luckily, the documents arrived in the last post yesterday and we were able to get it taxed just before closing time at the post office and get it picked up last night. A massive relief considering at midnight tonight the insurance runs out on the old vehicle.

Ironically, when we told the worker in our local post office about the palava we've had, she said the Post Office won't use fax machines as they don't consider them a secure form of communication and apparently it's very easy to tamper with data.

Nightmare, but one we've finally overcome.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - focussed

Oh - you too, I wasn't the only one!

Looking at it in hindsight I would hazard a guess that as riding an mot expired bike to a pre-booked mot appointment is entirely lawful and that the underwriters refused cover for this lawful event, is in itself unlawful and contravenes EU insurance law.

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - bathtub tom

Never had any problem with the OP's isurance company and I was with them for several years.

Perhaps if the OP had had 'logged on' the the insurance company's website WITH THEIR SECURE LOGON, then they may have been able to produce the documents they required?

Maybe the OP didn't have printer/ink/paper like so many folk I meet?

Ford luxuryKa - Messed about by Direct Line car insurance - Skezza

Never had any problem with the OP's isurance company and I was with them for several years.

Perhaps if the OP had had 'logged on' the the insurance company's website WITH THEIR SECURE LOGON, then they may have been able to produce the documents they required?

Maybe the OP didn't have printer/ink/paper like so many folk I meet?

Apparently we're having a bit of a problem on Honest John, primarily the 'Not Reading the Original Post Properly' problem. Clearly a disconnect or something.

I stated in the original post that Direct Line told me on the phone, to logon to their secure site and print off the policy outline. Although that contains all details such as policy number etc, that is not a valid certificate of insurance as such the post office refused to accept it as proof. Direct Line do not put their certificates of insurance on their secure online site, or via email.

Just thought I'd clear that up.