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Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

Hi wondering if anyone can give me some advice, my car is registered to me fully comp insured for me and i have my son as a named driver as if i am not using the car i let him take it to work ~(he has full licence) this 'incident' occured on a sunday i was at home my son used the car to go to work, on way back he went to supermarket car park got some milk and came out, nothing strange in that well 4 days later i received a nip for failing to stop/report, dangerous driving, driving without due care attention ....at the car park ! my car is not damaged that i can see, i have been over it like a fine tooth combe i bought it as a four year old car so would have had tiny key scratches etc this was back in june, i filled out the form to say my son was driving, he also replied by email to the station saying i drove the car i was in the car park but not quite at the time they had put, he said he wasnt aware of making contact with any vehicle or anything else for that matter , and as for dangerous driving he said it is a car park with people walking around queuing to get out i couldnt drive dangerously. I am wondering has someone reported my car to the police well they must have some sort of witness they are going on as why would they send a random nip?

If someone 'thought' they saw something why in a queue of cars exiting the car park would someone not have tapped on the window and said er excuse me or something along those lines there would have been plenty of time its not as if he was speeding along a road somewhere.

Well for 3months we heard nothing, i havent contacted my insurers as i havent got anything to tell them as far as i am concerned there hasnt been any incident to report, equally the insurers havent contacted me with any 3rd party possible claimant.

As i say its been 3 months my son got an email today saying the local police enquiry officer wants to come and interview him at home, he has said on the oriiginal email what was what - now this is turning into a nightmare.

My son has never been in any sort of bother minds his own business goes to work, if they are trying to put all these 'charges' on him for going in a car park to buy some milk he will surely lose his licence as he has had it for 9 months only.

He is a quiet hardworking lad spent 3 years at college trying to get on and now i am worried sick for him about all this.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Simon

Well my advice would be not to agree to any kind of voluntary interview at home or at a police station. You are only ever going to incriminate yourself. The police are not coming round for a friendly chat, they are trying to get you to admit to something and gain evidence against you, despite what impression they may give. If they have enough evidence of a crime, they will arrest you and take you in for a formal interview. They are after a conviction, plain and simple.

I'm sure that others here will probably disagree with my advice and I am not anti police in any way, but if you can explain to me how I am wrong, I'm all ears...

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - tony g
Agree with the above ,

Get back in touch with the police and agree to be interviewed in your solicitors office at a time to suit you .

Make an appointment with the solicitor first and discuss the issues with him .

You may well find the police will lose interest when they are not presented with an easy case .
Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

Hello thankyou for taking time to reply, the email that came said as follows:

I am an enquiry officer and have been asked to come and see you to interview you regarding a road traffic incident, it then says the date of 'alleged' incident.

sorry to sound so dumb but is this them asking for a voluntary interview, we have never had any dealings with police before for any sort of matter , if my son doesnt do this will they come and arrest him it would frighten him half to death.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

Also i wondered why my son has been contacted by email (which incidently was in the spam folder!) what if we hadnt checked and found it or deleted it without looking! Would such a request to interview be required to be sent formally ie through post on headed paper, like the NIP and driver information form was , or is this how they do things? it asks to ring the officers mobile number to arrange the interview is that normal? as i said we have never had any dealings with the police for anything so dont really know how it works.

Edited by worriedmum on 07/09/2013 at 14:20

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Falkirk Bairn

Also i wondered why my son has been contacted by email

How would the Police know your son's email address!

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Simon

Ignore the email correspondence, let them come knocking if they are that interested. Don't be drawn into making life easy for them.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

they know the email address because initially i sent back the driver information form as requested, on the form it said if you are not the driver - the driver can give us information and it had the police email address so my son sent to that saying i confirm i am the driver but have no knowledge of any incident and i was in the car park but not at the time they said on the form, he also confirmed that I his mother had sent back the form as requested.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Dwight Van Driver

It looks as if another pewrson at the S Market has made a com[plaint to the Police about the ,manner in which you car was driven and possibly collided with their car. By law Police have to serve NOIP within 14 days otherwise they cannot proceed on carless driving charge. Whilst this is not strictly necessary in the case of ACCIDENTS Police often do serve

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Dwight Van Driver

Sorry site playing up again.

It would appear someone has made a complaint to the Police about the manner in which your was driven at the Supermarket and possibly has damaged their car. Hence the Police are investigating the incident/accident.

There is a duty at law for Police to serve NOIP in cases of careless driving within 14 days of such otherwise they cannot proceed if this offence is disclosed. Whilst this is not strictly necessary in cases of accidents Police do serve where it is not clear if one occurred.

Because they did not know the name of the driver they send the NOIP to the Reg Keeper along with forms for him to name the driver at the time and date of the incident within 28 days. Failure to do so an offence.

Form has been returned naming that driver so now Police, to continue with their investigation, want to speak to him and obtain his account of the incident. This interview can be done at home as mentioned or later in the presence of a Solicitor. I personally would not use a Solicitor unless the accident was serious (SMarket dings hardly likely)or that I had something to hide. Truth will out and no thumbscrews would be involved but one should bear in mind are there other independent witnesses?.

In relation to the offence of fail to report/fail to stop, there is an onus at case law for the Police to prove that there was damage to the other vehicle and that the driver KNEW he had been involved in that accident. If they cannot then this is a getout clause.

When Police have interviewed all parties and witnesses a file may well be submitted to CPS to see if there is a realistic chance of a conviction for any offence(s) disclosed.If so the matter will be heard at Court.

Generally Supermarket dings are a one against one and therefore a storm in teacup.

dvd

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Simon

Something out of the ordinary must have gone on in that car park though. Maybe your son ought to come clean so we have the full facts.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

thankyou simon for that last message thats very helpful !

It said failing to report which indicates to me that they think an incident has occured - My car has no damage to it whatso ever, anyone is quite welcome to inspect it and he is not aware of any incident that occured, after reading various threads on this and other forums it seems anyone can a take a number plate report it and the police have to investigate it, whether it was involved or not, i read on a forum that someone parked next to a car with a damaged light which had been done before they parked but they then got a NIP for damaging it just because it was the car parked next to it when the the owner came out!

i hope this isnt a similar case.

Wonder if its worth asking if there is CCTV to look at, i have never had a reason to doubt my son in 21 years and i certainly dont doubt him now.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - skidpan

My car has no damage to it whatso ever, anyone is quite welcome to inspect it

That would be no defence. The incident happened 3 months ago which has gievn you and your son plenty of time to get any damage repaired.

If you have not been told you need to find out what your son is being accused of, how can you defent against it without that knowledge.

Time for a solicitor.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Simon

thankyou simon for that last message thats very helpful

Well I have tried to give you as much helpful advice as I can in my other posts to keep any potential prosecution at bay.

But in my experience there is very very rarely smoke without fire. Something has gone on in that car park!

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - thunderbird

About 20 years ago a former boss of mine received a summons for driving without due cars and attention. It went to court and he was conviced and received points and a substantial fine.

He knew nothing about the incident (well he kept saying he didn't) and his car had no damage. He left a fuel station forecourt and pulled out in front of another car who had to take avoiding action and crashed into a wall. Witnesses to the accident in addition to the driver all told the same story. One of the witnesses took his registration.

So your son may have no recollection of any incident but that does not mean he was not involved.

It would be interesting to find out if there is any video coverage of the incident.

Or perhaps he is just not telling the truth.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - worriedmum

Hi to update my son has done the interview we arranged for the police officer to come to our home , interestingly he told us that according to the info he had with him that the 'incident' in the police officers words was quote 'a couple of minor scratches to a car bumper' unquote. (But i guess enough for it to need sorting out) he also said that the paint colour on the bumper did not match my sons car colour - but that a 'witness' (thats how it got reported in the first place) said it was my sons car. I am wondering if someone else has done this and put our car up for it, I have asked for CCTV but there is none, dont know where this leaves us now, a witness says it was our car number so thats it? Surely anyone could choose a car in a car park and say this has done this to a car especially if they had done it themselves.

I know one thing it has made me very wary of parking myself now, it would be very easy to be blamed for someone elses doing.

we now wait to see what happens next.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - focussed

A quick check of the DVLA database by the police would have revealed that the paint colour mark on the damaged bumper was not that of your car and should have confirmed to them that their "witness" statement was wrong. Seems that plod are on a fishing expedition here-tread carefully.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Andrew-T

A quick check of the DVLA database by the police would have revealed that the paint colour mark on the damaged bumper was not that of your car

The colour description on DVLA is very approximate (e.g. mauve/lavender can appear as 'blue') so this will only distinguish cars of very different colours. [ of course it could work the other way, by diverting attention ... ]

Edited by Andrew-T on 01/10/2013 at 12:38

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Skezza

In my opinion, it's your word against theirs and as they don't have any other witnesses I can't see how this is still dragging on.

And they wonder why public confidence in the police is at an all time low, shocking.

Car Park failing to stop/report dangerous driving - Skezza

Well my advice would be not to agree to any kind of voluntary interview at home or at a police station. You are only ever going to incriminate yourself. The police are not coming round for a friendly chat, they are trying to get you to admit to something and gain evidence against you, despite what impression they may give. If they have enough evidence of a crime, they will arrest you and take you in for a formal interview. They are after a conviction, plain and simple.

I'm sure that others here will probably disagree with my advice and I am not anti police in any way, but if you can explain to me how I am wrong, I'm all ears...

Nail... Head...

If I was in this situation I would point blank refuse an interview unless they could provide me with some evidence over the phone or via e-mail. e.g. "we have CCTV footage of you" or "we have a witness who has come forward and provided solid evidence". If they said the latter, I would inform the officer that as it is his/her word against mine, the case should be dropped immediately.