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I ruled out a Swift : really tiny boot. Useless for DIY.
But near neighbour has had two in a row: faultless.
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Dad had a Jazz for about 5 years.Nothing went worng with it, only replacement parts in 5 years were 2 tyres. The car was an 03 plate on which the suspension had been improved but in truth it was pretty bad, would have hated to try an earlier one.
When he was due for a swap he initially thought about another Jazz but mother was having problems with getting in and out (the seat was low and the base cussion sloped back) so he decided to look for alternatives. The final two left on the shortlist were the Ford Fusion and the Nissan Note. They both rode really well and were much quieter than the Jazz but neither was such a well thought out design as the Jazz. The Fusion was better for mother but dad preferred the Note.
It looked like being the Fusion until the Nissan salesman persuaded them to try a Micra, perfect for both of them but probably way to small for you.
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That's interesting, Skidpan. You'd have thought that a Note or a Fusion would be easier to get in and out of than a Micra, being higher off the ground. I think that's still true if you're very tall (my neighbour is 70 + and finds his Fusion excellent), but if you're like SWMBO, of average height but with an arthritic knee, it isn't so simple.
We tried an Audi Q3 and she didn't find it any easier than her Mini Roadster. We think it's the height of the door sill that makes the difference - the lower the better. You just have to try various models out, as your parents did.
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Thanks for all the ideas. I am a bit closer to deciding! I am veering towards the jazz - reliability and previous experience and budget are pointing me towards this. Our local dealer has some 13 plate ex-demo 1.2s with A/C up for just under £10k. I like the new yaris but they are quite pricey. The Hyundai i20 is the other one i liked, but am not so familiar with the make. I did try the fabia, but don't like the throaty engine sound!
Quick question, how much can I expect to negotiate off an ex demo?
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Quick question, how much can I expect to negotiate off an ex demo?
Not a lot - that sounds like a cracking deal at just under £10k. A quick search has shown that most within 100 miles of me are between £10495 and £11k.
Still, it's always worth a try, and if all else fails you can ask for a decent set of mats and a tank of petrol.
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Re the engine size, has anyone experienced both sizes. They only had 1.2, which I found fine. Any benefits to 1.4?
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According to the Which? and the Honest John reviews there is little benefit in having the 1.4 over the 1.2. Slightly better performance, but slightly worse economy. You also lose the low rate of road tax.
We bought a new 1.2 Comfort in April 2012, to replace a first generation Mazda 2 1.4. We also looked at the current generation Mazda 2 (TS). What won us over to the i20 was a) a bigger boot and easier access, b) the way the seats in the i20 fold forwards provides a flatter floor, c) better warranty, d) better equipment (bluetooth, etc), e) better safety equipment (six airbags as opposed to two), and f) NIL road tax in the first year, £30 road tax in subsequent years.
My sister also bought a new i20 the week before we bought ours. We've both been very pleased with the i20's. Performance is similar to our previous Mazdas, and the ride is more comfortable (due to the i20 not having low profile tyres). My sister has taken hers over to Germany this week for a two week holiday, with a full load of luggage, bikes on roof bike carriers, etc - no problems at all.
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Just as I think I am closing in on a choice....! Luckily the hyundai garage is close to us, so may pop down there tomorrow to have another quick look...
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Would a minimum £2500 off the Yaris TR automatic be of interest? It's the (seemingly well respected) CVT which has better mpg figures than the manual ....have a look at the brokers. Drive the deal and Carfile are showing them but Broker4cars is where I quote from.
TBH you're looking at, what I'd consider, sensible cars but with the discounts available on the Yaris's that's where I'd be looking with most interest. I've had the CVT Jazz and would buy another on the basis of reputation and good local dealer and past experience - but they're a bit pricey ....and only get 3 yrs warranty against the Yaris 5 yrs. Not sure I'd give Hyundai any more of my money but there is the 5 yr warranty to think of and most people get on with them (check the cost of the servicing on them). I think the Renault connection with Nissan would stop me getting one of those. I'd check the Mazda but there is only 3yr warranty and I read that the ride is sporty not comfy.
Does the location of a local dealer have any bearing on your choice?
Be pleased to know what you choose.
EDIT. Just seen your latest post. If you're going to the Hyundai garage then make sure you're in a firm and hard hearted frame of mind.... negotiate for all you're worth. And don't be talked in to stuff you don't want (but would earn extra for the salesman). And check those service costs.
Edited by KB. on 01/09/2013 at 21:00
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I doubt you'll get any joy off those Jazz prices Mary, but you might well get a tempting servicing package if you negotiate it.
As always whatever make of dealer you are at go to the service desk and get the proper prices of the next 4 or 5 years servicing, some cars have nasty expensive surprises lurking when things like cambelts and transmission oils need changing, and remember you can use another main dealer for servcing, sometimes rural dealers are far more sensibly priced for maintenance.
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Good advice. I know honda and toyota do fixed price servicing. Main family car is Honda FRV, and servicing always reasonable. Hyundai I know little about. I suspect I will veer towards yaris or jazz, simply due to our previous car history and the confidence we feel about those two makes. Hyundai would be taking a bit of a jump for me, so that will likely be the outside runner.
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Hyundai are doing fixed price servicing on new i20's - £349 in total for the first three services.
Cash offers on new i20's are: 1.2 Classic 3 door £8695 on the road, 1.2 Classic 5 door £9395, 1.2 Active 3 door £9495, and 1.2 Active 5 door £10,395 - between £1300 and £1550 off list price.
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The Jazz we bought s/h came with 4 years service prepaid (£499 I think). Chain driven so no cambelts. NO CVT on the 1.2 so no choice but to buy a 1.4.
It was the space and ease of folding seats that won it for me: the Yaris is poor by comparison.
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"That's interesting, Skidpan. You'd have thought that a Note or a Fusion would be easier to get in and out of than a Micra, being higher off the ground."
Avant. Seat height was not the whole story. In truth the Micra had pretty much the same seat height as the other 2 but the big difference was the distance from the cill to the seat. On the Note it was a huge distance, less on the Fusion but on the Micra it was a much smaller gap. This made it very easy for mother to sit on the seat and simply swing her legs in, on the Note and Fusion she had to sit on the edge of the seat, shuffle until she was further on and then swing her legs in.
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Was pretty much decided to go with the ex-demo Jazz, mainly due to budget compared to Yaris. Had call from Toyota guy today, told him my thinking and he said to come in to see if he could do a price that would suit. Whilst a new yaris would be more expensive, it does have free insurance, 0%finance and 5year warranty -so the decision rests on how much value I put in those over the £10k Jazz....should know by the end,of the week!
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I clearly must have posted in invisible ink as the question of whether £2,500 off list price of a Yaris being available hasn't been acknowledged or hinted at, including your summary of what your local toyota dealer offered. I'll not bother next time.
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Apologies for lack of response, thought inhad acknowledged.....my preference is for manual, but I have looked at similar deals for those re brokers. As I mentioned, a new Yaris from a showroom comes with 0% which is attractive and would enable us to go for the new car over demo Jazz. Our finances would not stretch over that for a new yaris with discount. I will keep those figures in mind when I head down to the garages. Thanks.
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Ok, got a new Yaris. Managed to get £1500 off, shine kit, first service and mats thrown in. Also on 0% interest, which helps...just got to confirm colour later - metallic colour or block chilli red. Metallic an extra £500....worth it? Have block colours advanced since the days when fading occurred?
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Ok, got a new Yaris. Managed to get £1500 off, shine kit, first service and mats thrown in. Also on 0% interest, which helps...just got to confirm colour later - metallic colour or block chilli red. Metallic an extra £500....worth it? Have block colours advanced since the days when fading occurred?
Paint technology these days is excellent. It is very unlikely to fade. Good choice of car btw!
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Good to know-went for chilli red; it helped that I wasn't bowled over by the metallics. Also got that protection stuff they put on the exterior,and also interior stuff thrown in. Not too bad a deal for a 1.3TR, at a local dealer; still a lot to swallow when wasn't expecting to have to get a new car.....thanks, son! Thanks to everyone for your really helpful contributions. Husband is looking to change his honda FRV in the next year for something a bit smaller and more economical so I will be back!
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Sounds like a good deal, enjoy the Yaris. They really stand out in Chilli Red too. Thanks for coming back and telling us.
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