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I did 456 miles today - daveyjp
Leeds-Cardiff and back. And how happy am I not to have to spend my working day on the road!

It led me to wonder how areas will cope with traffic increases over the next 20-30 years. At a basic level all motorways will need to be 4 lanes and in some areas 5.

Managed motorways such as the M42 are all well and good, but when its bumper to bumper with a 40 limit, yet hard shoulder running is not permitted thereby reducing capacity, what is the point in spending the money on the system to permit hard shoulder running?!

I was happy to get 46mpg over the trip.
I did 456 miles today - RT

The M42 managed motorway often only opens the hard shoulder for short distances before each junction to effectively lengthen the off slip rather than continuous running - it is after all a busy urban motorway where the management system has been installed - not helpful to long-distance through traffic but a fact of life! Hard shoulder running is stopped instantly if an incident or breakdown occurs to allow emergency and recovery vehicles to get past the congestion.

Over the last 20-30 years, I've noticed that the traditional 9-5 working day has been diluted considerably by longer opening hours and shift working - I predict that in the next 20-30 years EVERYONE will work 24/7 shifts to spread out demand, rather than build more capacity.

I did 456 miles today - wrangler_rover

I work in sales in a specialist field with relatively few customers over a large geographical area. The secret I have found is hotel nights away and early starts. I have no problem with a 5:30 am start, the traffic is very light and you tend to miss most of the jams.

I did 456 miles today - RT

Being retired, I have the luxury of choosing which day of the week to travel and at what time - there is no problem with congestion on any roads in the UK - the problem is working hours all being concentrated into the same part of the day/week.

The reason that hauliers operate "overnight" services isn't for the customers' benefit - it's so their trucks can cover more miles at night when there's no, or little, congestion.

I did 456 miles today - veryoldbear

The other trouble with 5:30 am starts is that the HGV fraternity are starting to lurch out of lay-bys and wander off up the road (and hard shoulder) half asleep ... it's a scary time of day.

I did 456 miles today - Bobbin Threadbare

Even the big 4 lane stretches can struggle; earlier in the week there was a crash on the 4 lane stretch of the M6 near Jct 31 and there were some roadworks, reducing 3 lanes to 2, further up near Jct 33. Preston was so backed up I actually couldn't get out of the usual exits; nor could I have gone to towards Blackpool as the motorway overspill was on the M55 as well. This was bad north and southbound because although only one direction was affected, lots of people were slowing down to have a look at the mess. A lot of people must've been on their way to the Lakes/Scotland, but closing just one or two lanes down brings the whole system to a standstill. What will it be like when there are 40 million cars on the roads and not 30 million....?

I did 456 miles today - coopshere

The main problems down here in the west country occur at weekends during school and bank holidays when every man and his dog (down here we call em Piles - they come down in bunches and are a pain in the a$$) want to get to the same place at the same time. with the current austerity programs likely to last for many years the only way roads will improve will be through private investment which in turn is likely to mean toll roads.

I did 456 miles today - Ed V

Or, "they comes down in bunches, and pay our wages......."

I did 456 miles today - Andrew-T

What will it be like when there are 40 million cars on the roads and not 30 million....?

I think you may take some comfort in the notion that will probably not happen. It would need almost every licensed driver and vehicle to be on the road, separately, at the same time. Some of them have to be in offices, having a meal, etc, etc.

I did 456 miles today - Smileyman

situation would be eased greatly if the police acted more quickly in getting the road open .... they may have a job to do but take far too long in the process - every addtional lane opened reduces the delays.

I did 456 miles today - cockle {P}

situation would be eased greatly if the police acted more quickly in getting the road open .... they may have a job to do but take far too long in the process - every addtional lane opened reduces the delays.

Interestingly, on a documentary a while back about the British Transport Police it was said that in the event of a person being hit by a train the BTP get 2 hours to get to the incident, do all their investigations, arrange for recovery and get the track open to traffic again. If they fail to hit that target then compensation becomes payable to IIRC Network Rail and/or the affected train operators.

Now, I know that most railway fatalities are, very sadly, largely intentional and therefore probably far more straightforward investigation wise than a multi vehicle pile up on a motorway but they certainly do seem to take a long while to get sorted out so wonder if some sort of targetting along the lines of BTP would help oil the wheels?

I did 456 miles today - gordonbennet

You can't compare a train hitting a person to a road crash, usually no damage to the vehicle, and once the track iself has been examined for evidence and cleared then it can be reopened and trains run again whilst further investigations/searches continue trackside, the beauty of rails, no idiot car driver likely to clean up the investigation team whilst rubber necking and no disturbance to vital evidence off main track.

The roads will get far worse, you can't massively increase a country's population over 15 years without servicing the requirements of the increase.

Enjoy what you voted for.

I did 456 miles today - alastairq

Time to start investing in IT technology [tinternet,e tc] to eliminate the 'personal visit' that entails so much travelling?

Motorways today have taken on a whole new role in road transport, compared to 40 years ago...IMHO.

Today they are used just as much as a 'by-pass', as for long-distance, A-to-B low-restiction journeys.

How many motorway journeys actually involve simply driving between a couple of junctions?

IMHO, the likes of the M42, M25, etc are tyring to do two jobs instead of one.

Perhaps motorways also need additional by-passes for local traffic? {Ie, viable options for local traffic other than the main motorway system?]

Perhaps someone could come up with a useful sort of app to allow a trip to be planned using back roads, etc instead? A recent driving holiday I took was condicted with one proviso..avoid main roads, avoid traffic.

Over a week, I covered more than a thousand miles across the length and breadth of Somerset, Dorset, etc, plus the length of the country, [and including the A303 in all it's jammed-up glory.]...and barely saw another road user...certainly nothing that brought me to an abrupt halt.....It is a real pity the old A38 is a struggle to follow these days?

We are losing the art of motoring.

We no longer ''travel hopefully''....

I did 456 miles today - RT

Most motorways have be dual purpose, ie long distance route and commuter route - part of the problem is that people are commuting from further and further away from their work place.

Map reading is a lost art - I never had any issues getting from the Midlands to Cornwall at peak holiday weekends in the '60-70s, not until they introduced the "Holiday Advisory Route" through Devon that I'd been using for years !

It's all a matter of timing - I can still do 460 miles on a BH Sunday without seeing significant traffic either way, that's M6, M74, M80, M9, A9 and A835 with a caravan so limited to 60 most of the way, 50 on the A9 and A835. We're going a week later this year, so next weekend.

I did 456 miles today - veryoldbear

The rising generation are completely losing the art of map-reading. Maps don't figure in geography any more and young persons now just rely on the smug voice in the idiot box to tell them where to go.

If the US ever turns off the satellites, there'll be cars bumping around with the stupid drivers having no idea where they are or where they are going. Bah humbug.

I did 456 miles today - Andrew-T

The rising generation are completely losing the art of map-reading.

If the US ever turns off the satellites, there'll be cars bumping around with the stupid drivers having no idea where they are or where they are going. Bah humbug.

And by then publishing road atlases will have become uneconomic, so the traditionalists will have to rely on old dog-eared ones ....

I did 456 miles today - RT

And by then publishing road atlases will have become uneconomic, so the traditionalists will have to rely on old dog-eared ones ....

At least we'll have the option!

I did 456 miles today - alastairq

With today's congestion, I can appreciate satnags in parcels vans and delivery trucks...

but for me, they rank alongside Tesco's self service checkouts for iniquity.

I did 456 miles today - Smileyman

I like the self service tills in supermarkets .... one has the option of not having to deal with the checkout person ... it's usually quicker self service too ... except on one occasion when I was accused of putting too many items on the 'bag side' and with the staff member busy dealing with a different customer who has no idea how to use the self service I just upped and walked away ... went elsewhere, not preapred to wait for the matter to be resolved.

I have a similar approach to buying petrol - I prefer the pay at pump option, no need to wait for the till person to switch the pump on, or face the long queue to pay, usually in front of a range of products on offer I don't want to buy.

Sat-nav - it has it's uses... at times