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Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

I want to remove the second and third rows of seats in my 4x4. It is currently classed as a 7 seater.

The seats could easily be refitted - just a few bolts each, so Is this classed as a modification for logbook and insurance purposes?

Who do i contact first if so, and is it likely to bump my insurance up? (5 less passengers should swing it the other way in a common-sense world)

We never carry passengers in this vehicle and require the extra space for gear storage on long expeditions.

Edited by Will Marshall on 05/08/2013 at 23:01

Rear seat removal & insurance - brum

if in doubt phone the insurance company and ask.

It is strictly speaking a modification (unless the seats are normally removeable) and its possible that in a claim, some insurance inspector may ask why large parts of the car are missing and that'll give them a reason to wash their hands of it.

Unfortunately the insurance co may want to charge an administration fee if it is classed as a change and may ask you why you are doing this (is it going to be used commercially?) or not.

Log book change? Wouldnt have thought so.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Ethan Edwards

Once I owned a R. Scenic RX4. If you wanted to take extra luggage, the seats unclipped and were physically removed from the vehicle (no clever folding seats ). Several times I drove it with only two seats in the car, sometimes for days at a time.

I see now that I utterly failed to notify my Insurance company every time I took the seats out for a trip to the dump. :)

Rear seat removal & insurance - brum

Theres a difference between removing seats designed to be removed (furniture) and unbolting permanently fastened seats (fixtures and fittings).

Rear seat removal & insurance - skidpan

Simple rule, if there is a section in the handbook detailing how to remove seats you will be fine. In our C-max we simply had to fold seats, tilt at 45 degrees and lift. If you have to start unbolting things its clear to me they are not designed to be removed.

Rear seat removal & insurance - daveyK_UK

A recent electrician used a Ford Galaxy with only the driver and front passengers seat in the car.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Avant

I rather like the idea of a 'recent electrician' - what is he now?

Rear seat removal & insurance - John Boy

I rather like the idea of a 'recent electrician' - what is he now?

It suggests to me that he electrocuted himself!

Rear seat removal & insurance - Avant

No longer a live wire....

Rear seat removal & insurance - bathtub tom

I used to remove the front passenger seat and rear hammock of my old-style, basic Fiat Panda to take loads of garden rubbish to the tip.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

I guess i could use the tip ploy abroad. lol

I'd better contact the insurers and coincide the seat removal with the policy renewal to possibly save on an admin fee.

Edited by Will Marshall on 07/08/2013 at 22:16

Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

b***** faff!.

Insurers had to refer it to their underwriting dept, who had to refer it to main underwriters. But they didn't get around to it because they were short staffed. So had to chase them up. Still waiting to hear.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

Finally, I get the response.

It is an unequivocal - we won't cover you if you remove the seats.

What about removing just the fold down rear pair? The vehicle was also available as a 5-seater on release!

Remove any seats and your cover is void.

Well....I am now going to transfer to different insurers for the same premium, but where I do lose out in the cover I have found so far - is 90 days instead of 180 Green card cover in a year.

So, if anyone knows of an insurer that readily accepts mods and also provides 180 days Green Card including 90 days for Turkey I'm interested.

Edited by Will Marshall on 20/08/2013 at 23:14

Rear seat removal & insurance - Mr Fox

Insurers have become so downright difficult nowadays. Suggest you try a specialist broker like Adrian Flux or similar, plenty advertise in magazines like Practical Classics, LRM etc.

Pointless trying to talk to the big ones, they are staffed by m****s and run by computer.

Computer says no . . .

Err that will be no sir, anything else I can hinder you with ??

Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

Thank you.

Adrian flux are fine for the modification, but limited to 90 days green card with no Turkey at all.

I've found a couple more that could be better on the Green card, don't know about the mod, I'll call them tomorrow.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Big John

Try Footman James as well - they were good for Kit cars etc.. and included european wide breakdown

Rear seat removal & insurance - Will Marshall

Thanks. I think they only cover modern cars if you already have a classic insured with them.

At last!

Lv will cover the seat removal modification, they provide 180 days EU green Card that also includes Turkey. Yes, an actual Green 'Card' to show at the Turkish border.

Now, is there a broker that can retrospectively cover brain fatigue and the loss of the will to live caused by over-exposure to insurance company call centres?

To be fair, LV staff knew far more about their own product than most.

For anyone interested - working abroad or regularly driving abroad at length - I discovered along the way that Stuart Collins & co offer a years green card cover for EU, plus annual breakdown. cover. I don't know the premiums.

Another useful snippet is that whatever restriction a company places on their EU Green card,i.e weeks or months, the cover reverts from comprehensive to the minimum legal requirement of any member state after the allocated Green Card period is up. I have this from two unrelated sources.

Edited by Will Marshall on 30/08/2013 at 23:18

Rear seat removal & insurance - Big John

I only have a modern (ish) car covered by Footman James at the moment

Rear seat removal & insurance - Nutkey

I just contacted my insurer (Privilege) to ask about removing the third row from an MPV (fold flat, non-removable) so I could fit a spare wheel for holidays. The answer was:

a) This is a modification and therefore you need to amend your policy

BUT

b) If it's only temporary (i.e. you put the seats back for normal daily use) then this is fine, and no amendment to your policy is necessary.

Rear seat removal & insurance - Hamsafar

You can't get a subjective respone from an insurer, it's just a customer relations advisor and some software with a pop-up menu of modifications which when selected will recalculate the premium of just add a £15 fee for bothering them. It is unlikely to have "remove seats" in the list - it is more likely to be Spoiler>larger wheels>f*** exhaust etc...