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Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - mikeandvan

Today I was stopped by police for allegedly talking on a mobile phone whilst driving. The pc issued a ticket and stated the usual consequences, 3 points and fine, but he didn't take my number or ask to see phone, which I thought they did. How can they prove in court I was committing the alleged offence? I wasn't talking on the phone - just using it to scratch my head.

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - mikeandvan

by number I mean phone number!

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - FP

I think you're in for a tough time over this. From your own admission you were holding the phone and, as I understand it, that may well be enough to constitute an offence.

One question that is bound to come up is why you were holding it, if you were not using it, or had not just used it. While you may be able to obtain phone records to prove you made no call nor sent a text message, you wouldn't be able to prove you were not reading a text or doing something else that would fall under the heading of "using" it, unless you could prove it was switched off.

Edited by FP on 30/07/2013 at 22:38

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - mikeandvan

thanks fp, my query was that they didn't take the phones number, so how could they prove I made a call or text? I could have been holding a shoe upto my face, they didn't even ask to see the phone after they stopped me.

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - FP

They presumably saw you holding the phone. That could be all they need to see.

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - Avant

The law tries to uphold what is 'reasonable'. The reasonable assumption of a police officer seeing someone holding a phone is that they're using it for what phones are normally used for.

In any case, whatever you were using it for, they can get you for not having proper control of your vehicle, as one hand was away from the steering wheel.

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - Armitage Shanks {p}

Phone being used to scratch head is going to look like in use. If you weren't using the phone why were you scratching head with it? I use my fingers! Not going to be easy to avoid a penalty here I think

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - focussed

One hand is not on the steering wheel either when the driver is changing gear, using various controls, electric windows, heater, aircon, radio, adjusting electric mirrors , scratching an itch etc.

If the OP is genuine I would get the police to prove that there was a phone conversation going on at the time-shouldn't be difficult to prove from the phone provider.

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - Peter D

There are two offences for this. One is CU80, using a mobile phone and the other is not being in proper control. The later would apply to you as you were holing the phone and not the steering wheel.

I am at a total loss why anyone holds their phone whilst driving. Turn it off and put it in the glove box unless you know you can ignore it if it rings. Only a few days ago I had to stand on the horn as the driver ( young woman ) was staring down into her lap whilst rapidlyy approaching the rear of my car as I had stopped behind traffic at traffic lights.

She was clearly reading a text or looking at an Ipod on her lap.

Pay the fine and take the points, learn your lesson and leave the phone alone.

Regards Peter

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - bathtub tom

>> I wasn't talking on the phone - just using it to scratch my head.

Could be argued the OP was using his 'phone?

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - alastairq

Using can mean 'touching' or 'holding'...actually making or receiving calls is irrelevant.

Something to be wary of these days, when so many use their phone to tell the time?

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - martint123

What ticket did you get given?

I thought it was either a fixed penalty one that you admit to or a NIP for a future date in court????

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - Cris_on_the_gas

you get a CU80 endorsement code on licence, which is on for 3 years.

Might mean you need to shop around for Insurance next year as many companies load heavily for CU80 codes

Ford Escort - Mobile phone driving offence - mikeandvan

got away with a retraining course, costing £85, result.