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Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - JasonBatley

I test drove a Zafira Automatic today, it seemed to drive ok.

It is high mileage (157K) and 1.8 - is it worth the £600 asking price or are my future months/years with it bound to be full of repair bills?

The engine has a warning light on saying low oil - the salesman checked oil and said it was low - but maybe this was caused by a leak?

My budget for a car for the girlfriend is £800 - she needs an auto with some space in the back (for 3 dogs,) - can you recommend anything else if the Zafira seems dodgy?

Thanks in advance,

Jay

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Simon
It sounds like it is one step away from the scrap yard, I wouldn't even contemplate buying it!
Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Collos25

Its worth whatever you can get for it scrap.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - daveyK_UK

It will be worth £600 if it comes with 12 monhs MOT and he sorts out the oil issue.

Its not hard to check for a leak.

The 1,8 petrols are decent engines in the vauxhalls, and it pulls the zafira alot better than the 1.6 petrol unit.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Collos25

They do not have an oil level light only a low pressure light when this comes on the engine is normally goosed with 157k on the clock this is probably the case.If you think a x reg Zafira with a duff engine is worth 600 quid regardless of mot its easy to see why double glazing salesmen have such an easy life.

Edited by Collos25 on 30/07/2013 at 09:09

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Cyd

Ah! My GM powered Saab has low oil warning and so I assumed this Vx would have too. If it is low pressure light on rather than a low level warning, then I agree with Col - steer clear.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - TeeCee

The 1,8 petrols are decent engines in the vauxhalls, and it pulls the zafira alot better than the 1.6 petrol unit.

A 1.8 auto feels almost exactly like a 1.6 manual, believe me, as the torque converter saps the power difference. "Adequate" is probably the kindest thing you can say about one.

Doesn't swap cogs too much though, bootfuls of torque from those ecotec 1.8 engines let it pull right across the range. Reminded me a lot of the old BMC "B" series for character.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Cyd

Any car of this sort of age and mileage is close to the end of it's life. Cars of this sort that can still pass an MoT are worth £500 - £600. You should consider cars at this end of the market to be 1 year throw away purchases. If it runs fine for a year and passes another MoT, well that's a bonus.

It might have a leak. Did you look for signs of such underneath?? On the other hand it might be burning oil - if the rings are worn it might burn a little constantly but not enough to fail a MoT.

At the end of the day, you're at the risky end of the market. It might run fine and just need oil top up once a fortnight. It might run fine for 9 mnths and expire. If that happens get what you can scrap and buy another.

It's bound to need some repairs at some point. Then you have to consider whether to repair or scrap. If the repairs are easy mechanical stuff and not too expensive (and the car otherwise proving ok) then it may be worth it. Repairing an old car is usually way cheaper than buying a new car. Or view it as a stop gap while you save up to move into the £1500 bracket.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - barney100

There are many cars that easily go way past 180k. Just have a peek at the Volvo high mileage club.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Andrew-T

Salesman? £600 ? The car must be worth zero (or less) if a salesman thinks it will only sell for that much. Buy it if you don't mind fixing any problems.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - TeeCee

I test drove a Zafira Automatic today, it seemed to drive ok.

From experience:

1) Auto boxes are "sealed for life" according to GM. Aisin-Warner (who make them) reckon that biannual fluid changes are de rigeur. I'll bet the fluid's well past it's best. If it doesn't slip on 3rd upchanges when hot, you might get away with draining and refilling with Dexron IIID or higher (no need for GM's overpriced snake oil with regular changes, go with the Aisin recommendation). You can only drain half the fluid in one go, so several cycles are required to get it fully refreshed. After doing that, do a drain/refill (half change) every year. Once the filter's clogged, it's toast. The filter is internal and can only be changed by stripping the box so, if the fluid's already black, run away as removing the box requires dropping the subframe. On the plus side here, the 1.8s don't break auto boxes with alarming regularity like their 2.2 and oil-burning counterparts do.

2) See if it "hunts" when idling. If it does, the EGR valve is toast and these are a tad pricey for what they are.

3) Check that the cambelt's been done recently and that all the pulleys and the water pump were replaced at the same time. If not, it'll need to be done or redone and that's a pricey job.

4) The engine itself is bulletproof, although I suspect that the valvetrain will be rattling nicely on startup with those miles, nothing to worry about.

5) Electrics. Check that the central locking works and fires normally all around, also all 'leccy windows, lamps 'n such. These things are terribly prone to breaking the wires in the rubber boots to the doors and tailgate. The tailgate one can short the demist into the C/L loom and fry the C/L ECU (choice here is eBay and OP-COM or a very, very large bill).

6) Brakes. The autos eat front disks for fun. Check they're ok. Rears last ok, but swapping pads will mean fiddling with caliper wind back tools.

7) Check the remote keyfob works reliably. Open it and check that the battery compartment is OK. The switches degrade and the battery is held in with two little placcy tangs, which break. Also make sure you get both the car and radio codes. GM will want their pound of flesh for disclosing these later.

8) Fuel consumption. Your bank balance is going to hate it. That old Ecotec 1.8 isn't the most economical thing made of around that size and the auto box doesn't do it any favours in this department.

9) Spare wheel. This sits in a sling under the rear floor. Check it's there as these are often nicked. If possible, lower the sling, remove the wheel and check it. Being exposed to the elements means they can rot through and the tyre often perishes.

10) Suspension clonks at the front are almost invariably the antirollbar drop links. Cheap and simple to replace and nothing to be concerned about. Creaking over humps will be the antirollbar bushes which cannot be replaced without dropping the subframe. A noise you'll have to learn to live with if present. Wheel bearing noises from the rear are almost invariably actually tyre noise. These things really don't like unidirectional tread patterns.

11) Oil. At that milage it's more likely burning it than leaking it. Look for blue smoke on cold start :-)

12) Check it warms up promptly. Thermostats don't last long on these. The GM 'stat is an all-in-one part with the housing and temp sensor and costs a bit. You can get just the 'stat bit and a new sealing ring from the usual parts suppliers far more cheaply.

13) Male torx bolts are everywhere on the thing.

14) Exhaust. Comes in three bits, none of which are cheap. Run the engine and stick your hand over the tailpipe. Listen for blowing noises. Run away if there's anything coming from the downpipe / cat section at the front. Official GM exhausts are pricey, aftermarket ones fit like a donkey's hind leg.

I think that's pretty much it off the top of my head.

On the plus side, it is one of the most practical objects ever made and rather well screwed together for a GM product. They also seem pretty much immune to structural rust. Older ones should come with the dog guard net thing sat in a pocket under the rear seat squab, which it sounds like you'll want. GM penny-pinching made that an optional extra on later models.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I ran a '99 one for four years until very recently and got to know the thing pretty well.

Edited by TeeCee on 30/07/2013 at 11:53

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Armitage Shanks {p}

What an amazingly full and helpful report for the OP to read!

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Andrew-T

Thanks for that TeeCee - it's absolutely no use to me personally, but a fascinating read nonetheless. It's always good to hear things as they really are, from someone who really knows.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - mike hannon

What sort of establishment - and 'salesman' - has a motor on the forecourt with the oil light on?

Walk.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - HandCart

Just a side question: Is there a factual reason why unidirectional tyres would make more noise, or is that just your observation from experience?

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - TeeCee

Experience. Even the Opel mechanic who tried it reckoned it was wheel bearings and was as gobsmacked as I when he checked them and found them to be ok. Heck of a racket it was.

A set of Michelin Energys (longitudinal grooves as tread), shut it up completely.

Now, the previous tyres were unidirectional and got progressively louder as they wore, but it was always fairly noisy at the back, even when they were new. I've heard it said elsewhere that pretty much anything with a serious tread pattern does it. This would also seem to be true of any of the GM range in estate or MPV trim, as I've seen this reported on Vectra and Astra estates as well. Must be something about the suspension mounting design transmitting noise more than most.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - JasonBatley
Wow. Blown away with all the advice guys. Thanks for talking the time. I am starting a new thread about what I should be looking for.
Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - mss1tw
13) Male torx bolts

What mockery is this???

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Dabooka

'tis true, my neighbour had an (awful) Vectra of thesame vintage and needed a set of sockets. Thankfully I had an unused set from a lot I'd won on Fleabay; I laways wondered what the hell they were for and who in their right mind would use them!

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Armitage Shanks {p}

Perhaps it is a typo for "Male talks bolleaux"

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - TeeCee

As opposed to the more common female ones.

Female torx have a round head with a splined hole in it, driven with a splined driver or bit. World + dog uses these.

Male torx have a splined head and are driven with a splined socket. First ones I ever saw was when I came to remove the rear calipers from the Zafira and found a pair of these holding each. Swear, reassemble everything removed so far, eBay for a set of sockets......

I later found that the engine bay was littered with the things in a variety of sizes, so that set of sockets was worth getting.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - elekie&a/c doctor

Nothing wrong with Torx fittings ,either male or female,all the makers use them now.I would be more worried about the 5 sided bolt fitted to the braking system on some French cars,what is the idea in that?

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - mss1tw

Nothing wrong with Torx fittings ,either male or female,all the makers use them now.I would be more worried about the 5 sided bolt fitted to the braking system on some French cars,what is the idea in that?

What's right about them though? Genuine question, what do they do that an Allen headed or just plain old metric headed bolt can't do? Or even a pozi-headed screw?

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - skidpan

What's right about them though? Genuine question, what do they do that an Allen headed or just plain old metric headed bolt can't do? Or even a pozi-headed screw?

Pozi headed screws have no place under the bonnet (or anywhere on a car). Too easy to damage when removing. At least with Torx, hex, cap head you stand a chance of getting the bolt out especially if you soak them with a suitable flid first.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - brum

Pozi headed screws have no place under the bonnet (or anywhere on a car). Too easy to damage when removing. At least with Torx, hex, cap head you stand a chance of getting the bolt out especially if you soak them with a suitable flid first.

My Saab 99GLE was a pozi drive hell. The ones holding the engine bits together (rocker cover especially) had a special feature - they undid themselves constantly- even with spring washers. The ones holding external features (light clusters etc) would rust themselves into oblivion and leave you no chance of removing them - to replace a light bulb?

Worst car ever produced for rusting - friends used to joke if I lost my keys, I could climb in through the sills - all faults were acknowledged by SAAB dealer as "theyre all like that - nothing we or SAAB can do" . Scrapped at 7 years old after throwing far too much time and money at it!

Edited by brum on 31/07/2013 at 13:48

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - mss1tw

Pozi headed screws have no place under the bonnet (or anywhere on a car). Too easy to damage when removing. At least with Torx, hex, cap head you stand a chance of getting the bolt out especially if you soak them with a suitable flid first.

Granted - only put it in as a spur of the moment thought! Prefer widely-used allen key bolts and normal metric bolts to this Torx nonsense though, even though I own a set of Torx bits for female bolts. A solution looking for a problem...

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Avant

Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it! I've lived nearly 65 years with no idea that Torx bolts have a sex.

Whether they also have a sex life is another matter, or is it just pillow torx?

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - barney100
Oil light on means you have take steps.......blooming large ones away from that car.
Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - Johmon

Em, oil leak. I'd say this car had some neglect, 1.8 engines are pretty good so you could try buy it since its not that expensive but I would say test drive it again. I had 1.8 Zafira A and it was bullet proof, used to take it out 1-7 times a day and it would take harsh accelerations when needed easily. Car is bit of rolling ride, but can't expect it to be up to standards with modern cars, Zafira A is 19 years old so its pretty good.

Vauxhall Zafira - Zafira 1.8 - X reg, 157,000 miles, urgent opinions - engine

After 5 years, I'd say you're a bit late to advise on this one