omigoodgod.
Firstly, if you haven't told the insurer about the customised bits, then forget claiming. You really don't want to get involved in that mess. And that will mean that you won't be able to claim for the street light either. So if you haven't told them, then other than advising them of an incident for which you will nto be claiming, I wouldn't even *try* to claim.
They will certainly reject the claim and may well cancel your insurance - and that is really bad news.
Secondly, how many times do I warn of the dangers of insurance in your parents name ? If they find out that you are the owner, if the find out that your Father has another vehicle, if they find out that you are the main user, then you are going to be dealing with a whole bunch of confusion, mess, and no claim.
Make of that what you will.
But put the insurance in your name, for goodness sakes. You are right on the verge of finding out what false economies can be made with insurance.
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My dad is the registered owner of the vehicle on the v5. Insurance is in his name. He has the car for about 6 months of the year. He doesn not have another car, and i have have stated repeatedly he has access to another vehicle to the insurures. They appear happy with this. Do you still think i could have a problem in the future with an arrangement like this?
Ben
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Assuming that what you say is true, and assuming that the insurers have documented it, then no, you should not have a problem. However, it would be, at the very least, surprising. Although if they have rated it upon you then that would probably be ok.
Have you told them the vehicle is modified ? Because if not then you're stuffed anyway.
Assuming that you have told them about the modifications, and I'd bet a pint you haven't, then you may be quite ok.
Is there anything on the policy, or proposal for, to show that you have advised them ?
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They were informed of most of the modifications. Would sporty dampers make a claim invalid?
Ben
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They were informed of most of the modifications. Would sporty dampers make a claim invalid?
I asked the CIS (CO-OP) about this when I fitted Spax adjustables to my old Cavalier. They weren't interested. If anything, they said that it would make the car safer to drive as no doubt the handling would be improved! However a different insurer might have a different view. Like maybe "Hmmm sir, yes it might be safer to drive now you've sorted out the handling, but this could also encourage you to drive faster and have more accidents!"
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Accident happened in Gateshead at about 1am. Outside temp in police T5 read 2 deg. There was high wind chill. The officer agreed ice was possible, as the road had just been gritted. The salt causes the moisture to rise to the surface, where it could freeze. There wsa an accident in the same place two days preivously.
Think i should be ok about the lamp post. Found someone to move the car, but cant find anywhere to stick it for a day or two while i get all the bits off. Anyone have any ideas in the north?
I would just like to say thank you to all who responded, your help was appreciated. I really had no idea what happens in an accident like this- this is my first accident in 5 years of driving.
Ben
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I'm sure some of the "old time" backroomers will remember a certain "mechanic" who was located in Gateshead and who owned a "garage" who we could recommend.
However I feel to do so would only be adding to Ben's woes.
as ever
Mark
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That thought had entered my mind but I thought that it was better left there!
Brian
Still learning (I hope)
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Sorry, I could have sworn that I'd posted here.
If you are not claiming, which it sounds like you're not, and want the name of a reasonable, cheap bodyshop just let me know, they have worked on my old car after a break in. They seemed good and their prices were very competitive.
Having said that, from what you've said the car sounds like it may be un-repairable.
Blue
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His perpetual motion machine,ladas, and whatever crazy idea he's currently working on will probably be occupying all available space no doubt!.
Mal.
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Remember "C.W." Moss in Bonnie & Clyde? I just wonder....
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I think this request may be in vain, but for those of us new to the Back Room, can someone translate these last few nudge, nudge wink, wink posts?
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There was a frequent contributor until banned about 3 months ago called (amongst others) "Ladas are Cool" whose personality changed from hour to hour and was contentious , who was based in the Newcastle/Gateshead area.
Brian
Still learning (I hope)
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In an earlier incarnation his initials were CW (I won't write the name).
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The officer agreed ice was possible, as the road had just been gritted. The salt causes the moisture to rise to the surface, where it could freeze.
This does not make any sense at all to me.
Mal.
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Me neither - salt lowers the temp at which water freezes - if my 20 year old schoolboy physics is right, to minus 4 degrees. This is such a weird story.
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I just regurgitated what the officer said to me. Gritter truck drove down the opposite side of the dual carriage way just after I hit the lamp post. Surely the salt would only lower the temperature at which the water freezes once it had dissolved? I still don?t really know what happened. The road bends around in an s shape; went round the first part ok, then turned into the second part and no grip.
Can anyone advise on any decent driving books? I have one titled professional race driving secrets, but it doesn?t mention anything like left-foot breaking etc that HJ mentions on this site.
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Ben,
There are probably 40 years of an age difference between you and me.
I posted earlier in this link about learning from your accident.
Get a copy of 'ROADCRAFT' as soon as you can - I think WH Smith have it.
If you are serious about your driving, join your local IAM group and, if you face any charges, personally attend the court,accept that you have made a bit of a mess, tell the court that you have joined the IAM.
I don't know if this will get your a*** out of a sling (Mark - more fluffy dice?) but if you really wish to learn from your mistake, Roadcraft is where you should start.
Good Luck,
Matt35
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There posts the musing of a Sage.
DVD.
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DvD,
Thanks, but the rest of the thread makes it feel a wee bit like a waste of time...maybe before Ben has his next accident, he should print this lot and have another read at some of the comments?
Matt35.
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Can anyone advise on any decent driving books? I have one titled professional race driving secrets, but it doesn't mention anything like left-foot breaking (sic) etc that HJ mentions on this site.
Jeepers, saints alive!
Ben, left foot braking is NOT a technique for road use except in the context HJ talks about which is using an automatic. Even then I have my doubts except in low speed manoeuvring.
The left foot braking technique you are talking about should be confined to race track and special stage. If you are driving at such a pace that this technique is worthwhile then IMHO you are driving too close to the limit than is comfortable on public roads.
That is, of course, assuming that you have the brakes set up so that left foot braking will actually be an advantage. The typical fwd car, even with modified brakes does not have the right front rear characteristics. Seeing as Mark is betting a pint I'll wager another that your, sorry Dad's, Jetta does NOT have a balance bar pedal box with split circuits.
Is my pint safe?
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Matt: You're minus 23 years old?
Flat in FIfth: Why does that whole whole passage read like a challenge to anphibians to try left foot breaking and get away with it??? ;-)
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Toad,
My wife thinks so sometimes.
Matt35.
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Let's recap...
He wrecks his dad's car and a lampost and his first point of reference for advice is a web-site
He may or may not be insured because of his Max Power mods
He may or may not have a claim against him from another insurance co.
He doesn't know whether a road is icy or not
He is principally interested in flogging bits off his dad's car before the authorities can get a look at them
He's interested in developing his left foot braking technique
I'm pretty new to this forum, so I may be a bit too forthright here, but prolonging this thread means he's continuing to get odd bits of info in answer to his scatter-gun questions off the web instead of getting down to the serious business of sorting out this mess directly with the cops, the insurers and the council.
I'm sorry for you, I'm glad no-one was hurt but you need to get down to business.
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Ok this will be my last post on this web-site.
The car is/was mine. I posted here because people used to offer lots of helpful advice.
Max Power- i am not a fan of this magasine, and take offense at your use of this comment. Why is replacing worn out shock absorbers with higher quality units, and fitting better brakes max power?
As far as i know i do not have a claim pending. I have asked the police, and sat in the town hall for hours trying to acertian what is happening. They were unable to give a deffinative answer, so i asked here in case anyone else had had similar experiences, and could offer useful constructive advice.
Ice- how am i to know exactly what the car skidded on. Do you expect me to get out of the car and take a look at the ground in the dark to try and find out whether it was water, ice, oil, gravel or something else. Furthermore, i wasnt particularly concerned with analysing the tarmac after hitting a lamp post at 40 mph or whatever speed it was.
I was intersted in selling bits from MY car to minimise the loss i had sustained. What is wrong with that? I thought i might be able to offer people bits they may want at very reasonable prices.
Reggarding the brakes. Mk.2's fitted with rear disks do have a proportioning valve that allows you to adjust braking effort between the front and rear brakes. I do not understand why people say it is dangerous to use any of the advanced techniques mentioned. I often break into corners using my left foot. Just because i practice employing these techniques does NOT mean i drive the limit on the road. I racing driver i know advised i practice a number of techniques on the road. Smooth gear changes are essential for fast track driving, and no one would say these shouldnt be practised on the road. Why should i not practice smoothly transfering weigh of the car while it takes a set on the road?? this doesnt have to be done on the limit. I was just intersted in driving techniques. How is it best to use left-foot braking mid-corner, for example? Surely one will be a safer driver if one knows how to handle a car in a slide mid corner or skiding on ice, or whatever unexpected hazard may arrive next time you step inside your car.
I have already read nearly all of the literature available from the IAM. I have been driving for 4.5 years, and have driven many powerful cars, and not had the slightest bump before.
Ben
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"How is it best to use left-foot braking mid-corner, for example?"
It is not. EVER.
"I often break into corners using my left foot."
You do WHAT?
"Surely one will be a safer driver if one knows how to handle a car in a slide mid corner or skiding on ice"
Probably - but your idea of "advanced techniques" obviously is wide of the mark. Literally.
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Flat in FIfth: Why does that whole whole passage read like a challenge to anphibians to try left foot breaking and get away with it??? ;-) --
Toad old bean, me old mucker, me old china,
Just take your Toadster along that lovely curving and challenging driveway from Toad Hall. Give it some amphibian right welly, and then on the approach to a bend try left foot braking (henceforth LFB) and tell me what happens.
Are you any quicker round the corner?
Well it does reduce the time that foot takes from brake back onto gas, but other than that?
On a race track you can be sure that you know what gear to be in and have good idea of braking and gearchange points but on the Toad's highway, not mention the Queen's version. So how does one deal with the fact that you might just be in the wrong gear. Maybe the anphibian feet can cope but what about amphibians?
Does the LFB allow you to set the car up into a better cornering attitude?
Without a balance bar pedal box I see no point in even trying. If you were to give a tweak on the handbrake in moments of extremis now you're talking. ;-)
I'm sure you can actually LFB and get away with it. But my point to Ben is that I believe that this technique has no place on the public highway. Just another version of 210 on the M25.
But what can I say to stop you Toad. Actually Demon Tweeks has a nice line in pedal boxes in case you're serious. Wouldn't want you to left foot brake and end up with a left foot break.
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Toad old bean, me old mucker, me old china, Just take your Toadster along that lovely curving and challenging driveway from Toad Hall. Give it some amphibian right welly, and then on the approach to a bend try left foot braking (henceforth LFB) and tell me what happens. Are you any quicker round the corner? Well it does reduce the time that foot takes from brake back onto gas, but other than that? On a race track you can be sure that you know what gear to be in and have good idea of braking and gearchange points but on the Toad's highway, not mention the Queen's version. So how does one deal with the fact that you might just be in the wrong gear. Maybe the anphibian feet can cope but what about amphibians? Does the LFB allow you to set the car up into a better cornering attitude? Without a balance bar pedal box I see no point in even trying. If you were to give a tweak on the handbrake in moments of extremis now you're talking. ;-) I'm sure you can actually LFB and get away with it. But my point to Ben is that I believe that this technique has no place on the public highway. Just another version of 210 on the M25. But what can I say to stop you Toad. Actually Demon Tweeks has a nice line in pedal boxes in case you're serious. Wouldn't want you to left foot brake and end up with a left foot break.
Thanks for the spelling lesson FinF. I'm not dyslexic - I type fast and without thinking and rearely re-read what I've written. ;-(
Long post. Mine original was entirely flippant so you've wasted your breath.
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There was meant to be a smilie round all of that. It's looks a bit curt on the second reading!
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I lost a car as a write-off. The car gets towed to a compound where it is assessed by someone to work out the value of the car by means of a settlement.
When this happened to me, you can usually find out the name of the pound from the insurance company, make a trip over and ask one of the staff to ask that you want to retrieve some personal items.
My recommendations is do this immediately after the assessment and prior to it being broken up and normally crushed.
Ahem, your time is obviously limited. I retrieved the stereo and replaced with the factory fitted one as it was £300 worth.
As for the council, third party insurance should cover that.
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"I lost a car as a write-off. The car gets towed to a compound.."
Or possibly to a garage, as happened to me a few years ago, where local oiks help themselves to the good bits (including some useful evidence for the defence), so Mr Chapman's request to remove his own is not so unreasonable...
I suspect that the response here, Ben, is not intended to be unfriendly - it's just recognition that you could be in a tight spot if the authorities ask awkward questions, which unfortunately they are prone to. Better forewarned...
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Tee hee, nice try Toad but you were on the hook and in the net. Be a good boy, stop wriggling and I'll put you back carefully.
Now what would you prefer, a long post cast carefully into the pond ignoring your implied smilie or a word from the Moderator General.
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"Max Power" sounds about right.
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Me thinks we are being had again!!!!!! "Ben Chapman - sideways to victory"
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Actually FC I have a signed copy of the original Sideways to Victory, from none other than Albert* himself.
*for the younger members who have no idea who Albert was :-
Roger Albert Clark
ahhh memories
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No, I don't think we're been had, he e-mailed me about the bodyshop, he certainly is who he says he is.
Blue
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he e-mailed me he certainly is who he says he is.
So if I were to email you after creating an email account under the name "Lord Lucan" would you believe it was really him?
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Leave it please.
It seems valid to me, and, even if it is not, the query has prompted an interesting and valid set of questions and answers.
Mark.
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Sorry was in bad mood after long day at work.
Dont have any idea who you think i am impersonating though.
Regarding left foot braking, i was mainly talking about driving automatics, i drive an 850 t5 auto form time to time.
on the Jetta with the brakes adjusted how i had them, it was possible to use a little left foot on the brake on exit to reduce understeer. Lifting off in my car near the limit wasnt fun. The car usually handled fairly neutraly, with understeer creeping in on the limit. I still have no idea what caused the massive understeer i got when i turned into the fateful corner.
Does no one here use a heel and toe technique to change gear, or trail brake into corners? I thought using your left foot on the brake was the best way to overlap braking and throttle whilst cornering. My driving isnt good enough to use left foot braking much when driving a manual. Down changes without the clutch in the Jetta were b***** difficult.
Ben
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Why would you want to be braking whilst cornering?
(let alone doing it with left foot)
How about the nice, easy, safe, smooth (and fast) option of
BRAKE, then change down BUT on the straight bits?
"a little left foot on the brake on exit to reduce understeer"
Pardon?
Yes, I teach Heel/toe - but only to advanced drivers.
And it is rarely used on the road.
Why would it be?
Only if
1) you are determined to leave your braking/gearchanging to be as late as possible
(and why would that be?) or
2) you "get caught out"
(poor observation and planning).
I would suggest that you get a demo from a Class 1 -
(retired will do)
Checkout whether any of your "advanced techniques" are in Roadcraft.
And if not - ask yourself why not.
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I usually easy off the brakes as i turn in, so i have a bit of brake on most of the time im turning in to the corner. I just do this to reduce the chance of understeer.
How about the nice, easy, safe, smooth (and fast) option of
BRAKE, then change down BUT on the straight bits?
I agree the mothod you propose is probably best for the road, but it is certianly not the fastest.
"a little left foot on the brake on exit to reduce understeer"
Yes probably silly, and yes better to use the handbrake, but it does have some effect. if you give the car a little more gas to account for the retarding forces on the front wheel, using the brake just acts in the same way as using a bit of hand brake.
I will deffinately buy a copy of roadcraft.
My uncle is an ex police driver, and i often ride in the car with him. I think he trained as a class 1 driver, and deffineately got class two. Many accidents are caused by bad police driving though.
You mention you teach- are you an advanced driving instructor? Thanks for the repsonse, i always want to learn.
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Face it, you're not up to these fancy techniques and you're just a b****y menace, a danger to yourself and other road users. The best thing about this saga is that A) you're off the road and B) you're at least 150 miles away from where I live.
I hope your local plod see a copy of this thread and start talking to you about a charge of dangerous driving.
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Still being somewhat 'forthright', then, NWS? ;)
HF
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Well, (and obviously I don't know your circumstances)would you let him take your daughter out for "a spin" or want him near a school at letting out time?
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Well, (and obviously I don't know your circumstances)would you let him take your daughter out for "a spin" or want him near a school at letting out time?
I didn't say that, NWS, and I'm sorry if my comment upset you. It *did* come with a ;) though.
HF
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Sorry HF I must have sounded a bit sharp, not offended at all, I guess it was just my exasperation at this guy coming through. The really worrying aspect to this story is his ceaseless defending of trying to master crazy race track techniques on public roads. Not one person has suggested he was in any sense behaving responsibly yet still he comes back with more questions about how to get into and out of corners at the highest possible speed.
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Hi NWS,
It's ok, no apology needed.
I'm not the best person to comment on a thread like this, and probably should have kept out of it in the first place - I've never tried advanced driving, and I'm sure I never will.
My attitude before was 'give the boy a chance if he's trying to learn' - which I honestly thought he was. Seems everyone here thinks differently, and I bow to everyone's superior knowledge!
I honestly did think at first that he was asking those questions in order to learn (like I do sometimes) - but the whole BR disagrees with me!!
So I will now, I hope, gracefully bat out of this thread, thus maintaining a little BR space that I might otherwise have used.
Last comment here for now - people, please make sure you read 'announcements' tonight.
HF
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"Many accidents are caused by bad police driving though"
Pardon?
As opposed to to those people trying half-a***d rallying techniques on the road?
(yes - I do know some of what you are trying to do -
I co-drive for a pal in a Group N Escort Cossie)
but such driving has no place on a public road.
I suggest you forget all this fancy nonsense and start again -
on this path - IAM, then RoADA, then HPC.
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Sorry am I missing something here??? you say you "still have no idea what caused the massive understeer i got when i turned into the fateful corner" yet in the preceeding sentance you talk about left foot braking whilst exiting corners, lift off over steer etc.
My guess as to why you crashed would be that you were going too fast for the road conditions, your car, and your driving ability.
Surely braking on a corner would increase the chance of understeer as you are more likely to lock the fronts thus causing your car (presumably without ABS) to carry straight on in the direction it was going.
Try this approach in future: 1) engage brain, 2) position car for the bend 3) reduce speed (using the brakes with your right foot) 4) change down if necessary (using left foot on the clutch) 5) gently use accelerator (with right foot) to maintain a steady speed throughout the corner 6) accelerate when on the straight.
I agree with Trevor P's comments but don't think that just because you've been on a demo drive with a professional that you 'know it all', as this will just lead you to further accidents through over confidence.
MC.
'Better to be slightly late in this world than early in the next'
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Well may I ever so humbly thank all for supporting my original view about these techniques and Ben for not being able to add anything to justify this dopey behaviour.
And as for anyone braking OUT of a corner and claiming its quicker, but not by much, just well.......... I give up.
Is it something about Gateshead people?
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Admittedly braking on exit is rather silly.
It may come as a suprise to many people on this board, and i doubt many will believe me, but i am a careful driver. I DO NOT drive on the limit on public roads. I am just interested by racing driving techniques. That does not mean i practice them on the road. I occasionaly use heal and toe gearchanges (well did). This was often because the syncro was fairly knackered on the gearbox in the Jetta. I do sometimes practice trail braking at moderate speeds, just to get a feel of it. I only ever drive quickly whilst karting or the very rare occasion i get on a track. Most of my questions were theoretical.
When i crashed, i wasnt trying anything silly at all. I just felt that better knowledge of advanced car control could of aided me when trying to recover control of the car. I realise full well that i drove beyond the limitations imposed by the car i was driving, the conditions, and ultimately my own lack of ability. But i still feel the knowledge i seek would make me a safer driver. You never know when you might drive over a patch of oil.
The only time i have ever tried any of these techniques has been in deserted car park, or on private land.
Incidentally, i do occasionaly drive my 9 year old sister to school, and drive her and her friends about. There parents have all travelled with me and are quite happy for me to drive their offsrping.
Thanks for the advice trevor p, ill try and join my local IAM if i get another car.
NWS- thanks for your posts, they did focus the mind. But if you were to drive round a corner, skid (through no fault of your own, within the speed limit i might add), hit a lamp post, and emerge from the car lucky not to have been seriously hurt; what would you think of a person who wished you were prosecuted for dangerous driving? I was told by the officer in charge (incidentally a class 1 driver) that both witnesses commented that they did not think it my fault, and couldnt understand how i lost control. Im just a bit surpised by the opinion people have taken of me and my driving from the few comments i have written here.
Ben
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Well, young Ben,
you still have not grasped the basics.
"skid (through no fault of your own)"
Pardon?
Who's fault was it then?
The lampost's?
"I am just interested by racing driving techniques" -
- these are for TRACK - not road.
"I occasionaly use heal and toe gearchanges (well did). This was often because the syncro was fairly knackered on the gearbox in the Jetta"
NOT necessary - even with knacked synchro.
You are mixing up requirements.
Heel & toe is ONLY used if you wish to brake and change together at the last possible instant. Why would anybody want to do that on the road?
Worn synchro requires rev matching in order to change gear smoothly.
That means adjusting revs AFTER finishing braking.
OK?
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Ben, matey...
don't get to hung up on the negative stuff. you've told your story, and people have interpreted that in the light of their own experience and the way you've expressed yourself, and like your accident, it's history
You can be one of the two sorts of driver in this world..
type a, turn engine on and brain off, reverse procedure at end of journey
type b, asking what am i doing and why, why did this happen, what can i do about in, can i do to avoid it next time
you're asking the questions, and that's good. When it happens to somebody and they think 'well it happened and there was nothing i can do about it', then thats a problem for all of us, and you are not in that category.
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Well baited Toad....we've got Fif...
Fishing for frogs without a licence during the close season.
S1 Ways and Means Act.
Quick, into the Rover to Bow Street for an Extradition Order
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Well baited Toad....we've got Fif... Fishing for frogs without a licence during the close season. S1 Ways and Means Act. Quick, into the Rover to Bow Street for an Extradition Order DVD
OK, Hands up it's a fair cop, yer got me bang to rights guv'nor.
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>> Quick, into the Rover to Bow Street for an Extradition Order OK, Hands up it's a fair cop, yer got me bang to rights guv'nor.
All we need now is FiF's signature on the statement written in pencil....
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All we need now is FiF's signature on the statement written in pencil....
___X____ <<< FiF his mark!
just leave the extradition till after the Swedish though Toad.
Been snowing solid for 4 days, no question about which tyres to use.
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"..rearely re-read what I've written"
So it would appear.. :-)
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Well what a tread. 4.5 years, as if the .5 makes any difference and you know it all so why are you asking any questions. A lot of insurance companies insist the owner ( V5 ) is the first name insurer and you should have been a secondary driver. I suspect your brake balance is/was incorrect did you ever have it tested. ? When the loss adjusted inspects your car you may fine all those mods deem it to be void. If I were you I would weld a metal plate between the clutch and brake pedal becuase you are dangerous 'Ben Chapman On the Limit' very dangerous. !!!!!
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Guys I think you should lay off this bloke.
He's made a terrible mistake but nobody was hurt and we may not all have crashed (although some on this thread have) but we've probably had a few lucky escapes.
As my mohter used to say if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all...
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>>Guys I think you should lay off this bloke.
For once I am in complete agreement with Toad.
All those amongst you who are completely wihout sin may continue, the rest of you give the guy a break.
Mark.
p.s. actually I agree with Toad's Mother as well. Have you got that windsurfing stuff out of her place yet, Toad ?
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Mark and Toad in agreement? I have to jump on THIS bandwagon.
I've been watching this thread develop with interest, particularly where Ben has had to defend his desire to improve his driving, albeit in a manner that some find less than appropriate.
Various bods have jumped to conclusions, forgetting that this is a typed forum and not a conversation. How many times do you read your post and think "ooops, should have typed that differently". Likewise, in conversation you can interrupt mid-response to assert that you have been misunderstood.
In the Backroom it is common for a "poster" to not see the development of their thread for 24 hours. During that time the tone can change dramatically as subsequent posts arrive, often making assumptions on the original question. It's a 21st century chinese whispers.
I know I'm guilty of this and often wish I could sneak back in and remove some of my comments. A good example is where Mark feels he has to remove a post or two; have you noticed how the thread tends to die as the continuity is lost? Yet the original question may have "evolved" at the hands of respondents to the point where nobody would recognise the later posts as having any connection to the original thread.
Ah, it's a Friday afternoon. Rant over.......
Ben, for what it's worth, my original thoughts were along the lines of "boy-racer, got what he deserved". Your later responses have shown a restraint and maturity that should shame many older forum members. I'm glad I held back from posting some of my earlier thoughts. Safe driving to you, mate.
No Dosh.
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I just regurgitated what the officer said to me. Gritter truck drove down the opposite side of the dual carriage way just after I hit the lamp post. Surely the salt would only lower the temperature at which the water freezes once it had dissolved? I still don?t really know what happened. The road bends around in an s shape; went round the first part ok, then turned into the second part and no grip. Can anyone advise on any decent driving books? I have one titled professional race driving secrets, but it doesn?t mention anything like left-foot breaking etc that HJ mentions on this site.
BRAKING would be better. Breaking you have done.
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