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C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - johnhullcity

We have a ford c-max 6 years old with impending engine failure due blocked oil ways in the engine. This has been picked up in a second opinion inspection. Our Ford Dealier has failed to get the the cause of the problem which resulted in the yellow engine warning light coming on. Before this in Feb, we asked Ford to check why the oil ligt was coming on for a few seconds randamly and not evey day. They suggested it was not a problem to worry about and suggested we took car back in June. Then a week after the service , the turbo value was stuck open which was then repaired and then a month later the turbo solinoid was replaced. Then in early June we had jerky gear change and engine warining light.The AA suggested usng the diesel cleaning fluid which solved the problem. We asked Ford to check it over anyway just to be sure and low and behold we are told the problem is complicated and after £400 of dianostics this week we were told they cannt find the origin of the problem They suggested an turbo change or new engine.This in inself is an unsatifactory response by FORD.

What can I say after spending nearly a £1000 since feb we are faced with a 6 year old car that we cannot afford to repair. I know that this problem with has been highlighted and Ford are aware. Surely their Brand cannot afford for this to happen to loyal customers.

Do I take on FORD and try prove they knew this problem in 2007 after it was manufactured ( is that correct?) Do I cut my losses and auction the car or sell for parts.

Either way we are left in a position of having to buy a new car as it is needed for work journeys.

Any advice would be appreciated - sorry I am not a mechanic just an average car owner who thought Ford was a solid relaible brand

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - skidpan

Oil ways only block if the car has not been serviced regulary or the worng oil has been used.

Hardly Ford's fault is it.

At present your problem (supposed) is only someones opinion. Only way to find out for sure is to strip the engine.

You cannot sue Ford for engine failure when its still working.

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - unthrottled

Which engine is it? The 1.6 tdci seemed to have the injector seal problem which causes the subsequent turbo damage.

I'm not quite sure how a diesel cleaning fluid would solve a jerky gear change problem. Sounds like peole are playing lets-try-this-and-see-if-works at your expense.

Edited by unthrottled on 06/07/2013 at 14:34

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - Cyd

I too was thinking that this sounds like the old injector seal problem. There's tons of info about it on here.

I was however under the impression that the injector problem was likely to result in turbo failure due to the oil feed gunging up long before the rest of the engine sludged up?

The oil pressure switch on most engines monitors the pressure just after the pump outlet. So, if there is a loss of pressure it is more likely that:
# the pump is mechanically worn and not able to raise the pressure sufficiently
or
# there is sludging in the sump and especially around the pick up gauze which is preventing oil pick up
# oil level is too low and the pump is picking up airated oil

Oil level low: easy to check and rectify
Sludging in the sump: requires inspection. Easy enough, just drain the sump and look in through the plug hole with an inspection camera
Worn pump: needs inspection and replacement - no idea how easy this is on this model

Sludging elsewhere in the engine would cause oil starvation to some areas, but surely would not result in low pressure, but more likely high pressure causing the relief valve to open??? comments anyone???

I don't think there is enough information to offer a truly considered diagnosis, but I'm inclined to suspect this vehicle does lots of short journeys and isn't really having enough oil changes to suit those conditions (and maybe the changes are being done by sucking oil out the dipstick hole??). Sludging is the end result causing lack of pick up and low pressure.

The oil pressure light "blinking" occasionally whilst driving suggests that the pump is having a hard time keeping up the pressure and that you are driving with low pressure all the time (low, but not necessarily critical)

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - madf

Can we have details of the service history please. By whom, When, Mileage.

As the OP has omitted to tell us that, I cannot answer. Period.

And thetotal mileage. And the typical journeys undertaken.And the annual mileage.

A quarter of a story is worthless.

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - Oli rag

I think it would depend on whether the blockage was in the oil gallery supplying the pressure switch or not.

I would have to agree that the oil sludge problem only occurs if oil change intervals have been ignored or low grade oil has been used

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - johnhullcity

Hi , thanks for your post. It is a 2 litre tdci. We were told that the turbo was clogged up so we used the same as the Trade industry use, sorry I may have described this incorrectly.

Thanks

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - johnhullcity

Thank you for your post. We have had the car serviced by Ford as per the recommended service intervals and we always check oil levels in between. We have not over driven the car by any means. Apologies if my comments have caused offense, non intended..

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - Peter.N.

I believe that a lot of these turbo problems are due to the extended oil change intervals designed to appeal to fleet buyers, I'm sure that if the oil was changed twice as often a lot of these failures wouldn't occur.

C-Max - Engine Failure will follow - Ernied

Ford oil pressure switches used to be notoriously unreliable. And whilst it's out, it's easy enough to put a pressure gauge in. Everyday job years ago when I was in the trade. We didn't charge £400 though.