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vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - rogerl_uk

Does anyone know of any test cases covering engine durability under Section 14 of SOGA sub section 2B which states that for goods to be fit for purpose they should be durable, i.e last for a reasonable length of time.

I am trying to ascertain what may be a reasonable length of time for an engine to last having had a failure after 3 years at 19,000 miles havinghad it serviced by the dealer in accordance with the service schedule. The failure was just two months after the last service.

Can anyone suggest what isa reasonable length of time fo rthe engine to last?

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vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - FP

My immediate response is that it should last a hell of a lot more than 19,000 miles and a hell of a lot longer than two months after the last service, especially as you say the car has been serviced correctly.

It would be good to know what has happened - a catastrophic failure of some kind?

Having said that, am I correct in thinking this engine has a reputation for problems?

Edited by FP on 01/07/2013 at 20:03

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - rogerl_uk

Hi FP, thanks for your comments.

In answer to your comment, the failure was not catastrophic, it was an intermittent misfire, which had been reported at the service and diagnosed as "an open circuit on an ignition coil pack ". The garage (a VW dealer) "swapped the coils" and declared the problem solved. This was done under warranty, which expired 2 weeks later!

The misfire recurred about 6 weeks later.

This time the garage said that there were no error codes and carried out a compression test. This showed low compression on a cylinder. They removed the head and declared the engine wrecked.

Subsequently they have stated that the problem was “piston damage”, then they said it was "in the crank area". They have been unable or unwilling to identify the root cause of the problem. I have asked for a detailed report ion the issue which they originally agreed to produce but then refused.

The engine has been fully maintained by the dealer according to the service schedule.

I would be interested to know what the life expectancy of this engine should be.

I believe that here were some issues with reliability with this engine in Australia, but I cannot find any real evidence of this.

Any help would be appreciated.

Edited by rogerl_uk on 03/07/2013 at 09:53

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - unthrottled

The loss of compression is likely to be due to the misfire. The injector sprays fuel directly into the cylinder and will wash the oil film off the bores if there is a problem with the spray pattern or ignition. The piston will then slide up and down an unlubricated bore and irreversible damage is inevitable.

They need to supply you with a refurbished engine at no cost to you.

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - Cris_on_the_gas

The loss of compression is likely to be due to the misfire. The injector sprays fuel directly into the cylinder and will wash the oil film off the bores if there is a problem with the spray pattern or ignition. The piston will then slide up and down an unlubricated bore and irreversible damage is inevitable.

Never heard of a misfire causing this.

Way to go would be to get an independent engineers report on the cuase of the damage. It may transpire that it will not be possible to determine a cause but you would get a professional opinion. clearly this will involve you in additional cost.

If the report proves that its down to the negligence of the garage in diagnosing the issue then if you were to pursue this through the small claims court then you would probally win. however this would then involve you in addition cost to bring this action, which you would re coup if successful.

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - rogerl_uk

As a point of law, if I won a court case, then all the costs would be paid by the dealer, However, this would be time consuming.

It is impossible to go to an independent engineer because the garage quickly returned the engine to VW having replaced it with a new one.

Reading this, it could well be that you are correct as I think a mis-fire will result in only a partial burn of the fuel.

Anyway I have now resolved the issue with the dealer and we have come to an agreement that will result in no cost to me.

Thanks to everyone who has read this and contributed, but it may be a point to watch out for on this engine. If a misfire occurs ignore the dealer approach and get it fixed very quickly.

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - FP

"... I have now resolved the issue with the dealer and we have come to an agreement that will result in no cost to me."

Would you care to elaborate, as some of us are, I'm sure, intrigued by the case? The dealer would not play ball at first, you seemed to suggest.

Was the misfire deemed to have caused engine failure?

vw golf 1.4 TSI - SOGA Durability - unthrottled

The loss of compression is likely to be due to the misfire. The injector sprays fuel directly into the cylinder and will wash the oil film off the bores if there is a problem with the spray pattern or ignition. The piston will then slide up and down an unlubricated bore and irreversible damage is inevitable.

Never heard of a misfire causing this.

It's a problem inherent with direct injection engines whereby liquid fuel is sprayed directly into the cylinder. If the spray pattern is misdirected due to fouling of the nozzles or the engine misfires, the liquid fuel ends up on the bores. Petrol is a solvent. The micron thick oil film doesn't need much petrol to wash it away. The compression ring then makes direct contact with the bore.

Much less of an issue in port injected engines because most of the fuel enters the cylinder as a vapour.

Often the misfire indirect injected engines is not due to a fault in the ignition system but a poor spray pattern leading to a lean mixture in the vicinity of the spark plug.

The dealer have obviously accepted this fault and are going to fix the engine at VW's expense-as they should.