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Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi, I'm looking to trade-in my current car as I have moved jobs and no longer drive the distances which I bought it for. I used to drive 30-40 miles each day with a longer trip of around 600 miles every third or fourth week. Now I drive around 30-40 miles a week and no regular long drives.

I live on one of the Hebridean Islands and fuel is very expensive (£1.65 average per litre of diesel) so I'd prefer to get another diesel car - and, it seems that the equivalent size diesel drives better than the petrol.

I'm wondering what it'd be like to go from a 110bhp 1.6HDi to a 70bhp 1.4HDi, bearing in mind that the C3 is 500kg lighter than my current C5?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.....

Thanks, David

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - thunderbird

Now I drive around 30-40 miles a week and no regular long drives.

If you only drive 30 - 40 miles a week DO NOT BUY A DIESEL. I love diesels and we have 2, both with DPF's but if I was doing that sort of mileage I would only buy petrol. You will have serious DPF issues that will cost £1000's to sort.

Better still buy a bike or use taxis, it will save you a fortune.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi, thank you for your reply! I should have mentioned that it's one journey of 30-40 miles a week, on country roads which are quite quick so the car gets nice and warm (i.e. DPF). I don't do any town driving as we don't have any over here! I get the bus to and from work but there's one day where I finish after the last bus (2100), taxis are really expensive and I've already got abiek for local journeys. My work is a 25 mile round trip each day. We will, occasionally, be driving (and ferry) 250 miles round trip to visit our parents.

What would the driving be like? I'm not a boy racer but I like having the ability to overtake!

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - 72 dudes

You need to do some calculations and also weigh up the pros and cons of having that low down punch of a turbo diesel or the 'reviness' of a petrol for overtaking.

I'm a bit of a diesel fan when it comes to getting good MPG and that low down punch, but I've read too much on here about expensive repairs on diesel cars (and indeed experienced them on my previous Citroen C5 2.2HDi.

You do 1 journey per week of 30-40 miles, on open roads, say you average 35 MPG in a petrol car. The C3 1.4HDi might return low 50s MPG, so calculate the difference using your local prices for petrol and diesel.

By the way, the 1.4HDI in the C3 (also Peugeot 207, some Fiestas and Fusions) is pretty gutless, which means you will be working it hard.

The 1.4 VTi and 1.6VTi petrol engines in the C3/C4/207/308/Mini Cooper are gems, smooth and free revving.

Try one, you'll be surprised. The 1.4 has 95 BHP, the 1.6 118 BHP.

I would also avoid dropping two sizes to a C3 after the smoothness and comfort of a C5 - false economy. Instead look for a C4 with a 1.4 or 1.6 VTi petrol engine.

Don't confuse these engines with the earlier 1.4/1.6 engines with lower outputs, just known as the 1.4/1.6 16v engines (afair 75 and 110 BHP).

Hope this helps.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi 72 dudes, and thank you for your reply! I am looking to go down to the super-mini size (B segment??) as my C5 is really too big for the roads over here - before my C5 I owned a 1.6 petrol C4 for four years so I know how good thay are - I don't want a car that size sadly. My other half has a 58 plate 207 with the 1.4 16v which I agree is gutless - that's why I was looking for the diesel as we don't go fast on the Island as most of our roads are single track (no dual carriageway or better at all!).

I will hopefully be getting off the Islands for a test drive at the end of this month of a 1.4HDi, and I will see if they'll let me take a 1.4 VTi out too but I've found a very nice, blue, 1.4HDi Connexion which is fairly loacl (less than 150 miles) which I very much like the look of.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - 72 dudes

Ah, OK. If you are sold on the supermini size, then the latest C3 is a good bet. Again, I would warn you off the 1.4 HDi diesel though. You will have to work it hard.

If you must have diesel then the 1.6 HDi (92 BHP) is the one to go for. It's as economical as the 1.4, but more refined as it's a newer design. Road tax and insurance will be little or no different from the 1.4 diesel too.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - Andrew-T

I have no experience of PSA's 1.4 diesels but have owned a 1.6 HDi 207 for over 4 years. As Peugeot's earlier car-diesels started with 1769cc in the 205, followed by a 2-litre in the 306, I was pleasantly surprised with what the newer 1.6 can do. I would not expect to find much advantage in anything smaller, which may have been developed simply to limbo under some new emissions tax-band.

Like you, I am no boy-racer, but my 1.6 has returned over 60mpg since I got it, so I doubt that you would see much advantage in any smaller engine.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - pork_pie

I had a 1.8 125bhp TDci Mondeo until March last year and decided to get a Fiesta that has the same engine as the C3 you are talking about.

It is a sluggish engine but so far I am averaging between 55 and 64mpg in it. Despite the huge difference in performance to my previous car, I am happy with it as I had to downsize and I got used to it as I am not a fast driver at all. The 1.6 Hdi has more power and in some cases better on fuel. The 1.4 engine, despite lacking an intercooler, is still in production after 11 years.

Edited by pork_pie on 04/06/2013 at 21:58

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi all! Thank you all for your replies. I am looking at the 1.4HDi as it's the only used one locally (still two days away from home!) that I can get in a spec and colour I like. It's a bit annoying that the Citroen approved used scheme doesn't transfer cars between dealerships, you've got to go to teh selling dealer. Also, the dealer I'm looking at I've used for years with my C4 and C5 when I lived on the mainland and I've never had anything but brilliant service from them.

I'm going to look at a new C3 the, possibly one of the e-HDi models or petrol VTi. Out of interest, for the miles I do, would a petrol be cheaper in the long run to own and maintain?

Thanks again, David

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - pork_pie

A lot of people will say buy the petrol based on your mileage.

However I noticed that you say you travel to work using public transport and you have a 250 mile round trip to your folks. I believe also that this TDCI unit uses the Eolys additive rather than use diesel fuel to burn off the soot. However the filter will still need replacing after 80,000 miles as the filter cannot burn off the ash that is also trapped. I go to work on foot and I only use my car for motorway commutes to my parents (100 miles away) and to the various parts of England to watch my football team.

Go for a test drive of both and see what you like but sounds to me that you like the diesel.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi pork pie. I'd probably drive my C5 to work more often is it wasn't for it costing so much - the first two weeks here it cost me £90 in diesel whereas the works bus is £37 per month! I don't drive like a lunatic and I get around 44 mpg out of my C5 due to the stop / start nature of the single track roads.

I like the 1.4HDi I've seen as it's less than £10k and they'll give me £5k trade-in. It's the connexion model so fitted with satnav / bluetooth and automatic air conditioning. The nearest 1.4i connexion is 336 miles away in Warrington!

I don't want an automatic (EGS) so I can't get the 1.4VTi from new and the 1.6 petrol costs the same in tax as I'm paying currently. This leaves the 1.2 VTI 82, which is more powerful than the 1.4HDi but has much less torque. I can only get this from new for around £15,000 if I want a VTR+ with the satnav fitted. For £5k more is it worth it?

Edited by David83 on 05/06/2013 at 13:07

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - SteveLee

You'll find the 1.4hdi C3 actually feels pokier than the 1.6HDi C5, the power to weight ratio is more favourable. The C3 is quite comfortable over distances and the engine really suits the car.

Citroen C5 1.6HDi to Citroen C3 1.4HDi - From a 1.6HDi to a 1.4HDi - thoughts? - David83

Hi SteveLee, do you drive (or have driven) the C3 1.4HDi? I had thought that going from a 1.6i C4 to a 1.6HDi C5 woul feel quite different - C5 slower as it's heavier - but it feels faster than my C4 did. I guess this is due to the torque from the diesel as both 1.6 engines are 110bhp but the C5 is 500kg heavier?