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Double Glazing - Henry the 9th

Please can anyone tell me what is meant by the description ' C Rated glass / frame' ?

Double Glazing - FP

It's an energy efficiency rating system like the one found on washing machines, fridges etc. A-rated is more efficient than C-rated. I believe C rating is the accepted minimum.

Refer to this page:

www.bfrc.org/consumer/index.aspx

Edited by FP on 20/05/2013 at 16:44

Double Glazing - Henry the 9th

http://www.bfrc.org/consumer/index.aspx Nice one! Thank-you.

Double Glazing - MikeTorque

If you want the ultimate in window insulation then go for TRIPLE glazing installed in a 38mm, 40mm or 44mm profile frame.

These will provide you with a U-value between 0.6 and 0.8 depending on the insulating glass type used. This equates to at least a 40% improvement of heat insulation compared with A class double glazing.

Double Glazing - unthrottled

If you want the ultimate in window insulation then go for TRIPLE glazing installed in a 38mm, 40mm or 44mm profile frame.

Waste of money. A set of good quality curtains will be more cost effective and add focal interest to the room.

Double Glazing - MikeTorque

Wrong, unless you prefer to live in darkness throughout the year.

Curtains let in the cold especially from below and around the edges.

Triple glazing saves heat loss 24/7. The difference in comfort levels is very very noticable compared to A class double glazing.

Double Glazing - unthrottled

Curtains let in the cold especially from below and around the edges.

Poorly sized curtains do. Triple glazing isn't cost effective in most parts of the UK because the temperature differentials aren't that high.

Far too much weight is put into simple U values. It's quite correct that the comfort factor is heavily influenced by cold draughts rather than ambient temperature. But it is also true that insufficient airflow leads to a feeling of stuffiness which leads occupants to start opening windows which makes U values a moot point.

Double Glazing - MikeTorque

Most of the folks where I live never open their windows during the winter, even the trickle vents are closed, how they survive 9 months of the year without opening windows is beyond me.

Many of them are elderly and they simply like to feel warm and can't stand coldness or drafts, anything like cool air flow is a draft to them. They are ripping out double glazing and installing triple glazing, immediately they notice there is no longer a cold/cooler area near the window, every room is warmer. They are using less energy and temperature levels stay more constant, plus they get an improvement in sound insulation, all of which contributes to significant improvements in comfort levels.

Installation cost isn't the main issue for them, comfort is a far higher priority. Also if/when they want to sell the house the triple glazing is a very attractive selling point and adds a premium to the selling price which more than recovers the initial cost outlay of fitting the triple glazing. With everything taken into account, triple glazing is significantly more cost effective than double glazing.

Double Glazing - Collos25

But most houses in the UK are so badly built and insulated it would hardly make any difference what glass you used..

Double Glazing - MikeTorque

Rubbish.

Double Glazing - Collos25

No its not rubbish at all the building regs in the UK are about the same as Sweden and Germany were in 1954.The regulation regarding pressure testing of houses in the UiK is abysma there are more thinks that can be done to make property better than mess about with glass.

Double Glazing - 1litregolfeater

Most heat goes through the roof, then the walls, only 20% goes through the windows.

If your single glazing is ok just patch it up and save money.

I still have some single glazing; I'd have replaced it long ago, for looks and noise insulation, were it not for the interference of the local Labour Council who want to dictate the style, the glass, the safety.

Sod that, life's too short!

Double Glazing - MikeTorque

Collos, in 1954 UK houses didn't have cavity wall insulation as standard, these days to do, also in 1954 loft insulation was almost non-existent, it was a few years later that 100mm become the norm for loft insulation and since then standard loft insulation thickness has increased to 270mm.

Our home was built around 11 years ago, it has cavity wall insulation, the roof was pressure tested after being built, it has 16" of loft insulation, it has floor insulation, the main heat loss was the windows, replaced them with state of the art windows and our electricity & gas bills last winter dropped by over 10% (even though prices has been increased significantly) and it was one of the coldest winters for many years and our house was more comfortable and warmer than the previous winter. It is so well insulated we don't need to use any heat at all for most of the year. We have a combi-boiler with 90+% efficiency for both hot water and heating.

How does your home in Germany compare with that spec. ?

Double Glazing - Ben 10

My query is what is best for sound insulation. We live on a main road and our 1980s 2 pane aluminium glazing is not up to the job. I think the gap is shorter than the modern glazing available today.

There are "acoustic" double pane options from some companies, where one pane is thicker than the other.

There are triple pane options which trumpet good insulation and sound qualities.

So which is the best choice to keep out the noise? Does it also depend on the gaps between panes?

3 panes obviously appear to give better sound elimination. But will the 2 pane "acoustic" be just as good.

Double Glazing - gordonbennet

Our bungalow is an 80s built, wooden framed double glazed units, useless, let in draughts as well as noise.

Whenever we had spare funds we gradually replaced all with standard UPVC doors and windows from a local established company, the house is silent now and much warmer, as far as i know they are just standard stuff, the price was very reasonable, patio doors made the biggest difference.

Edited by gordonbennet on 31/03/2014 at 14:34

Double Glazing - Bromptonaut

I suspect the answer will vary according to the type of noise. What works for aircraft noise out by Heathrow may not be best solution or Ben's road noise.

Is there anything useful on the website of the big companies, the Glass and Glazing Federation or other trade bodies?

Failing or using that information it's time to talk to a few local firms, can your neighbours reccomend? . Although they did a good job in my last house I'd avoid Everest or similar. They need to learn that pressure sales went out with the ark.

Double Glazing - Ben 10

I just want it to be as quiet as possible. I'm not disturbed that much by aircraft noise, its just the loud exhaust brigade, the lorries, buzzy bee mopeds and early morning refuse trucks. Trouble is you can look on the tinternet and there will always be pros and cons for either and one company will always shout above another about the detail just to sell. I hope that someone on here might have one or the other and give me their honest opinion.

Double Glazing - FP

I can't help Ben with any personal experience, but some info on Pilkington's website seems quite interesting. They produce a laminated glass for sound control, but it isn't clear how this is actually deployed - whether as the outside layer in a double-glazing system, or in some other way.

www.pilkington.com/products/bp/bybenefit/noisecont.../

Anglian also offer sound-control glazing, but an experience with them some years ago means I would never, ever recommend them.

However, all this suggests Ben might find a solution if he researches hard enough, but it could well be pretty expensive, I would think. Anything that reeks of "special" usually is.

Double Glazing - Collos25

One home I own in Germany was built in 2000 and 2 years ago at minus 22 degress c outside we did not need the heating on but being retired I tend to take winter in warmer places.Not all houses in the UK even today have any form of usable cavity wall insulation ,timber and brick construction of the cheapest kind is the order of the day for most developments.Most of the things you site are not compulsory in the UK as they are in most other developed counties,When did you suffer one of the coldest winters not in the UK or most parts of Europe it has been one of the mildest on record you really should do some factual research before you pen to paper.

Double Glazing - Avant

Collos - there you go again. This was a perfectly helpful and sensible post until the last 12 words, when you felt the need to be rude.

It's like a cow that gives a good pail of milk and then kicks it over. Just STOP insulting people just because you disagree with them.

Double Glazing - FP

"When did you suffer one of the coldest winters not in the UK or most parts of Europe it has been one of the mildest on record you really should do some factual research before you pen to paper."

To whom is this directed - particularly "you really should do some factual research before you pen to paper"?

I can't see why it applies to any of the posts immediately above, unless Collos is being even more gratuitous than usual.

Double Glazing - Bromptonaut

Threaded view suggests Collos's target was Mike Torque in the original discussion last May.