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pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

I cannot find any information as to whether you can still ride a 49cc scooter, tax class bicycle on a cycle path in extra urban areas with roads of 50/60/70mph limits. I only question this. As recently a cycle path was removed and replace with a bus and cycle route. I then recieved a ticket and was informed on appeal that the law changed in 2002 and only pedle cycle's and buses are allowed. cost me £30 :( and I know have to ride 2 miles further every time I want to go that way. Well not as I walk down path ;)

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - Armitage Shanks {p}

If you have had a ticket and appealed, and lost, I think you have your answer! There is an old thread from this Forum here

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=78785

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

The ticket was under Bus lane transport act which does not apply to cycle paths.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

ta read that, one ta but it didnt come to a full fact felt conclusion.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - martint123

.... 49cc scooter, tax class bicycle ....

I have a 1000cc bike and it is also tax class "bicycle" so that one isn't a valid getout.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - RT

Looking at the DVLA licence categories www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-a...s the only vehicle category with a 50cc limit is "AM" which is three-wheelers.

I've never been aware that motorised vehicles were allowed to use pavements or cycle paths.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

Does it, well I be I think the DVLA need to review and rename this Taxation class, as there definition of bicyle does not match that of the Oxford dictonary. cheers

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - RT

Does it, well I be I think the DVLA need to review and rename this Taxation class, as there definition of bicyle does not match that of the Oxford dictonary. cheers

The Oxford Dictionary has no place in UK law. The dictionary evolves according to usage. Law doesn't change unless Parliament enacts it.

Bicycle - Origin:

mid 19th century: from bi- 'two' + Greek kuklos 'wheel'

Edited by RT on 02/05/2013 at 22:28

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - SlidingPillar

Does it, well I be I think the DVLA need to review and rename this Taxation class, as there definition of bicyle does not match that of the Oxford dictonary. cheers

Nope, my vintage car is a 'tricycle' for its tax and V5 class. No pedals and 1100cc. Description of basic type of vehicle does not include the type of propulsion.

Edited by SlidingPillar on 03/05/2013 at 10:33

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

I cannot find any information as to whether you can still ride a 49cc scooter, tax class bicycle on a cycle path in extra urban areas with roads of 50/60/70mph limits. I only question this. As recently a cycle path was removed and replace with a bus and cycle route. I then recieved a ticket and was informed on appeal that the law changed in 2002 and only pedle cycle's and buses are allowed. cost me £30 :( and I know have to ride 2 miles further every time I want to go that way. Well not as I walk down path ;)

After Hours of searching I have found that between 2000 and 2002 there was a wording definition change in the law. "mechanically propelled vehicles" This allowed loop holes in the law to be tightened up. it appears i have been breaking the law unknowingly for 8-12 years.

A eletric moped under 200watts can use a cycle lane but a 201watt or above cannot.

My mind is now so full of facts.

Wording was the key factor throughout. It was clearly an offence to park on a cycle path.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - Dwight Van Driver

Sorry - delete that - fuzsed brain read pavement.

dvd

Edited by Dwight Van Driver on 03/05/2013 at 08:24

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - Bromptonaut

The OP was caught in a bus lane. These have always been for buses plus such other vehicles as the relevant traffic order permits. In most places this meand taxis and pedal cycles as well. Some places, notably Bristol and parts of the TfL road network in London, have allowed motor bikes as well.

Cycle tracks were someting different (I'm thinking the sort of thing that sometimes ran alongside arterial roads upgraded in the fifties/sixties). Those allowed pedal bikes and mopeds defined as under 50cc - at the time put-put machines like the velo Solex.

Modern mopeds/scooters, even those restricted to thirty, are a different cup of tea.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - Brit_in_Germany

Is there any reason why the UK has a cut off of 200 W for electric bicycles but the EU directive places the limit at 250 W? I can imagine German tourists being somewhat dischuffed if they are arrested for riding their pedelecs in the UK.

Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 03/05/2013 at 12:33

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

200 watts bicycle and 250 watts if it’s a tandem or tricycle this could be what is ment by 250 watts in eu directive ??

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - Brit_in_Germany

The definition of a pedelec in the directive is:

"cycles with pedal assistance which are equipped with an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous rated power of 0,25 kW, of which the output is progressively reduced and finally cut off as the vehicle reaches a speed of 25 km/h, or sooner, if the cyclist stops pedalling".

Even the bikes from the DIY store are sold with 250W motors.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

ONCE again confusion lol.

taken from .gov website

In Great Britain, if you’re 14 or over you don’t need a licence to ride electric bikes that meet certain requirements, and they don’t need to be registered, taxed or insured.

Electric bikes meeting the requirements are called ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’ ( EAPCs ). They can be 2-wheeled bicycles, tandems or tricycles.

EAPC requirements

The requirements are:

  • the bike must have pedals that can be used to propel it
  • the electric motor shouldn’t be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15mph
  • the bike (including its battery but not the rider) must not be heavier than 40 kilograms ( kg ) if it’s a bicycle, or 60kg if it’s a tandem or tricycle
  • the motor shouldn’t have a maximum power output of more than 200 watts if it’s a bicycle and 250 watts if it’s a tandem or tricycle
  • the bike must have a plate showing the manufacturer, the nominal voltage of the battery, and the motor’s power output
Where you can ride an EAPC

If a bike meets the EAPC requirements it’s classed as a normal pedal bike. This means you can ride it on cycle paths and anywhere else pedal bikes are allowed.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - FP

"Should've gone to Specsavers..."

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - keithrg

Well I couldnt get out of the fine so there goes the money for the steam cleaner I was going to hire to clean my house :(

ps the letters are big because I cut and pasted and counldnt see how I could make them smaller on this site.

pulse scout - scooter 49cc uk law using on cycle paths - TeeCee

ps the letters are big because I cut and pasted and counldnt see how I could make them smaller on this site.

Easiest way, which works for everything and saves having to work out how to "paste as text" in each application, is to paste into something like Notepad (which has no formatting). Then cut 'n paste the plaintext results from there across to where you want them, where they will then pick up the target application's default format as if manually typed.