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Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - The Gingerous One

on a long run from Oxfordshire -> Lancashire yesterday afternoon/early evening I got an indicated 34mpg over the journey and didn't even get through half a tank of fuel.

I think I should win some special prize for that. And no, I did leave & arrive the same day! Journey was ~200 miles & took 3 hrs.

This compares with 32mpg earlier in the week on a trip from a return trip to Lancs - > Cambridge.

The Mazda 6 2L petrol I owned previously would only do about 38mpg on a run.

I shall update the 'real-life' mpg.

Who says big petrol engines are expensive to run (if you ignore the £465/yr road tax...) ?

Stu

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Andy P

I used to average 33mpg from the 2.4 engine in my Accord Type-S, and that was over thousands of miles. Not quite as good but still pretty decent considering I didn't drive "economically".

Edited by Andy P on 15/04/2013 at 19:18

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - gordonbennet

Well done, If you drive well and smoothly, using torque and taking advantage of hills and coasting in gear on overrun as much as possible...and keep your speed below that at which you start to shift too much air and gain too much tyre drag its amazing just how economical any vehicle can be.

I drove a modern full size but lightly loaded Scania artic from Northampton to London, delivered at 2 inner urban stores and returned back to base with empty stillages/cages, drove satans box in manual override keeping revs to under 1100 rpm and never went above 50mph, when i got back the display showed 15.1 mpg, i was sad enough to take a pic of the display as that was my best ever figure in an artic.

When i drive a same model Scania tanker @ 44tons on one particular journey where almost every roundabout and junction leads to a long hill climb to get back up to speed on the loaded out journey, by the time i get back it averages around 5.5 mpg.

Edited by gordonbennet on 15/04/2013 at 21:41

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - craig-pd130

I knew a bloke who had a normally-aspirated XK (4.2 I believe), he said getting 30mpg was quite common. Big understressed engines can be pretty economical when not being pushed.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - gordonbennet

Trouble with those big engines is they sound quite delicious when being pushed, the harder they work the more throaty they sound and that accompanying constant thrust via a proper gearbox is seriously addictive...thank goodness my old MB is running on LPG, can let my addiction enjoy itself..;)

I average about 23mpg, but somewhat worse than that is possible.

Edited by gordonbennet on 15/04/2013 at 21:46

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - unthrottled

I knew a bloke who had a normally-aspirated XK (4.2 I believe), he said getting 30mpg was quite common

My dad's experience of that engine was 20mpg-on a very good tank. Some of that could be attributed to the BW 3 speed auto, but still...

It's true that you can tease reasonable economy out of pretty much anything under optimum conditions, but tootling along at 55 renders a big engine pointless-and the fun factor is nil.

I think you can have more fun working a modest engine hard than nursing along a bruiser. Of course, if your pockets are deep enough, thrashing a big engine is best of all!

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - SteveLee

I knew a bloke who had a normally-aspirated XK (4.2 I believe), he said getting 30mpg was quite common

My dad's experience of that engine was 20mpg-on a very good tank. Some of that could be attributed to the BW 3 speed auto, but still...

It's true that you can tease reasonable economy out of pretty much anything under optimum conditions, but tootling along at 55 renders a big engine pointless-and the fun factor is nil.

I think you can have more fun working a modest engine hard than nursing along a bruiser. Of course, if your pockets are deep enough, thrashing a big engine is best of all!

He's clearly talking about the AJV8 4.2 in a XK8 not not the old XK straight sixs. Both of my modern Jag V8s returned an easy 30+mpg.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Ethan Edwards

on a long run from Oxfordshire -> Lancashire yesterday afternoon/early evening I got an indicated 34mpg over the journey and didn't even get through half a tank of fuel.

Stu

If you were running LPG you'd easily get the petrol equivalent of 45mpg then. If you do 10,000 miles a year four years or so you'd have saved the cost of a 6cyl conversion. After that pure profit. If you do a higher mileage payback is even quicker. No noticeable loss of power either. LPG's a great way to run a big car cheap.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Andrew-T
If you were running LPG you'd easily get the petrol equivalent of 45mpg then. If you do 10,000 miles a year four years or so you'd have saved the cost of a 6cyl conversion. After that pure profit. If you do a higher mileage payback is even quicker. No noticeable loss of power either. LPG's a great way to run a big car cheap.

Surely the point of this discussion is not entirely about saving money - some of it is about saving fuel? After all, fuel is a disappearing commodity, We can always print more money, as the govt has recently illustrated.

Of course it is fun to enjoy the sound of a rorty engine, but it can also be fun seeing just how economical it can be.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Ethan Edwards

No need to save LPG. Shale gas !

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - daveyK_UK
you could squeeze 43mpg at 60mph from the 2.0 auto hyundai sonata/kia magentis on a run.
you could hit 36mpg in the 2.5 v6 auto from the same model.

Brilliant value budget motoring.
Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - unthrottled

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a direct injection engine? In which case LPG is a moot point.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - John F

Who says big petrol engines are expensive to run (if you ignore the £465/yr road tax...) ?

Stu

Not me. I hope your XF proves as durable as my '98 2.8L V6 Audi which gave brim-brim[I don't trust computer] 34.9 mpg a couple of years ago to Zermatt and back. Admittedly it only does around 28 around town, but it's old enough for the standard £225 tax. [the oil's quite old, too, as it only does around 5,000m a yr but only gets changed every 10-15K when it gets down to just below the minimum] - 124,000 and no probs - unlike the Jaguars I used to know.......

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - concrete

on a long run from Oxfordshire -> Lancashire yesterday afternoon/early evening I got an indicated 34mpg over the journey and didn't even get through half a tank of fuel.

I think I should win some special prize for that. And no, I did leave & arrive the same day! Journey was ~200 miles & took 3 hrs.

This compares with 32mpg earlier in the week on a trip from a return trip to Lancs - > Cambridge.

The Mazda 6 2L petrol I owned previously would only do about 38mpg on a run.

I shall update the 'real-life' mpg.

Who says big petrol engines are expensive to run (if you ignore the £465/yr road tax...) ?

Stu

Excellent economy and not really dawdling either. I am impressed and encouraged. I am thinking that when I retire I would like to own a nice big petrol engined Jag for a while. Just a couple of years of luxury motoring while I still enjoy it. With that economy it would not be too hard on the old pension. Bit of a switch from Mazda to Jaguar though, it must have been quite a change. Cheers Concrete

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - The Gingerous One

>Bit of a switch from Mazda to Jaguar though, it must have been quite a change

Actually I went Mazda6 -> Volvo 440 -> XF as the Mazda got written off last year. The olvov was a stop-gap car.

So even more of a change! I only did the comparison with the Mazda because I had owned for a longish period of time and was designed & built this century. Comparing the Jag with a car designed ~30 years ago and built 18 years ago wasn't fair really....

cheers

Stu

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Jase

My friends 2005 BMW 545i (333BHP V8) showed 30.3mpg on the computer during his return from Poole to Maidenhead last weekend. Average speed 68mph. Being a 2005, it's also £280 road tax. I think that's pretty darn impressive.

My Honda Accord Coupe 3.0V6 managed 27.6 on the same run, although I was going faster. Not quite so impressive but tolerable in the grand scheme of things as the actual car only cost me £1200 and that was 18months ago. Tax is £220 too.

Big petrols are great! Bargain barges can be a great form of motoring.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - xftrinity

After seeing the headline figures on this website for the 3litre xf petrol i plumped for a 2008 3 litre Luxury xf petrol (thinking 26mpg isnt too bad at all).

Big mistake, i get 12mpg in city only! Cannot afford to run it with those kind of figures, my fault for buying the car really as i thought the figure of 26mpg included city driving but obviously not. :(

i got 29.7 mpg on a 32 mile run on A roads last week! so nothing wrong with the engine (has full jag serv history)

anyone else got city only average for one of these?

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - thunderbird

on a long run from Oxfordshire -> Lancashire yesterday afternoon/early evening I got an indicated 34mpg over the journey and didn't even get through half a tank of fuel.

I think I should win some special prize for that. And no, I did leave & arrive the same day! Journey was ~200 miles & took 3 hrs.

This compares with 32mpg earlier in the week on a trip from a return trip to Lancs - > Cambridge.

The Mazda 6 2L petrol I owned previously would only do about 38mpg on a run.

I shall update the 'real-life' mpg.

That is not the idea of the Real MPG site. The idea is the MPG you get in normal use. Do you suggest that I should put that our Kia Ceed CRDi will do 58.7 mpg like it did on the wifes trip to her mothers and back the other day instead of the 50 mpg ish it normally does.

Dash mpg displays are notoriously inacurate, the one on the Ceed is pretty close but in the Golf I had it would lie and say 48 mpg over a week whereas it calculated as 40 mpg week after week.

Putting figures like that on the Real MPG site will simply make it as nonsensical as the Official EU figures people moan about.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - unthrottled

This is the problem with self-reported data. There is a big temptation to take the 'best' figure and call it 'average'. It's not deliberate dishonesty-just wishful thinking. How often do people delay a fill-up to get a nice round 500 miles to the tank? of course you're simply stealing mpgs from the next refill!

12mpg in heavy traffic is bad but understandable.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - The Gingerous One

Hi thunderbird,

As this was 4 months ago, I can't actually remember if I did update the real-life mpg or not. Maybe I just talked about it.

I don't do very much city driving as someone else was asking, but so far, I haven't seen the 'average' mpg on the fuel indicator dip below 20mpg. It seems to sit around mid-20s ish most of the time.

All this is very un-scientific I agree. But 4 months on I am not being financially crippled by petrol costs.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - pinkpanther_75

A friend of mine ran the 275 BHP 3.0 Diesel version of one of these for 3 years / 60K miles. Around town a realitstic average was mid to low 20's, whereas in extra urban use it would typically return mid to high 30's. This seems to compare favourably with the 3.0 Petrol. I seem to recall the diesel is however signficantly faster / more powerful.

My own experience with a larger engined petrol car (2005 / 55 Plate Lexus GS300 - 3.0 V6 & ~240 BHP) was an urban average of high teens to low 20's. I did however memorably return a "true" (brim to brim) average of exactly 40 mpg. This was acheived whilst commuting on the A1 at ~60 mph. I covered around 1100 miles over the period of a single week. I'd just bought the car and foolishly ageed to drive (every day) to a week-long course, rather than stay over. I certainly became very familiar with the car over that week!

My current car (1.8T 4x4 Octavia) returns an average a little in excess of it's quoted urban consumption (28 mpg vs 24 mpg). The car is fairly old tech, although impressively capable in every day use.

I've found Fuelly to be an excellent resource for both recording and researching fuel economy. I have also submitted several MPG's to HJ's Real MPG for my other car, but the exact model doesn't seem to feature.

The trip computers in both my VAG group cars seem to overestimate by ~10%, compared with actual "brim to brim" figures. The predicted range when newly refilled is also somewhat fanciful.

Edited by Seant on 15/08/2013 at 17:00

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - Sulphur Man

I've read several road testers claiming that the current Merc 350 CGI petrol engine can get within a whisker of it's EU combined mpg of 32, which is impressive considering that a road test will usually involve a bit of hooning for research purposes.

That engine develops 292PS and makes an E-Class estate go from 0-60 in 6.4. CO2 is well under 225gm too.

Considering a used example might sell for at least £2K less than an E350 CDI, could make a very smart buy.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - madf

All you need is two short journeys a week when the engine never warms up and the above figures are toast.. And that's in the summer.

In the winter it gets a lot worse...

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - unthrottled

Since there's no fundamental difference between mercs ~3l 6 pot and everyone else's, I don't think there'll be a cigarette paper between them in economy.

The fundamental problem with petrols is that you have to load them quite heavily to obtain reasonable efficiency and that leaves you little torque in reserve for acceleration.

The 35+mpg figures come from trundling along at 65mph in a very high gear ratio. With that sort of driving style you have to question the benefit of the big motor.

The way to enjoy a big motor is to accept sub 20mpg economy and drive it as God intended it to be driven. Dreamers will get their fingers burned.

Jaguar XF - an indicated 34mpg from a 3L petrol.... - thunderbird

"As this was 4 months ago, I can't actually remember if I did update the real-life mpg or not. Maybe I just talked about it.

I don't do very much city driving as someone else was asking, but so far, I haven't seen the 'average' mpg on the fuel indicator dip below 20mpg. It seems to sit around mid-20s ish most of the time".

You should have put mid 20's on the Real MPG site since that is your Real Average