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Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Squerryes

Lots of discussion in Technical Forums of Rolls Royce Owners Club of Australia re ethanol on petrol (I'm in UK). Query: do you please have an up to date listing of ethanol free, E0, petrol availabe in the UK - thanks

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - craig-pd130

Similarly, lots of dark mutterings and dire warnings about ethanol in fuel on classic bike forums in the UK.

I haven't seen a definitive list which states one forecourt brand is ethanol-free. The only advice I've seen is to use super unleaded in preference to normal if you have any concerns: however, I've no idea if super is guaranteed ethanol-free either.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - TeeCee

>>Similarly, lots of dark mutterings and dire warnings about ethanol in fuel on classic bike forums in the UK.

Particularly nasty if you have a machine with a GRP tank. Even if you don't, it dissolves the rubber O-rings in the carbs.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Collos25

Is the engine E!0 compliant if not do not use,I would have thought a simple question to RR would give you an answer.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - craig-pd130

Actually, HJ has addressed this issue, here: www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/37005/super-unle...l-

His answer says that super unleaded will typically contain max 5% ethanol (which most engines and fuel systems seem to be able to cope with), whereas normal unleaded can be up to 10% ethanol.

Having checked the BHVC register's website, they only list garages that still sell leaded fuel, there does not seem to be a definitive list of which modern fuels have ethanol.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - galileo

In the 1960's Cleveland Discol was still on sale and advertised the benefits of its alcohol content, so presumably 1950s/1960s cars could cope with whatever percentage of ethanol it had?

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Collos25

Did not think E10 was available anywhere in the UK if that is the case it will not appear on any lists.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - madf

E10 coming to UK in 2013

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Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Andrew-T

E10 coming to UK in 2013 ...

This topic seems to have come round again. I am wondering whether I shall have problems for my Pug 306 (1994, so injection engine) if/when the ethanol content rises as announced ?

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - jc2

The seals and fuel piping in modern systems are not affected by E10-most elderly vehicles can stand E5(5%ethanol) but are likely to be affected long term by E10.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - bathtub tom

most elderly vehicles can stand E5(5%ethanol) but are likely to be affected long term by E10.

The old (80 - 130 years) I work with are badly affected by E5. Fortunately, we have a supply of avgas (ethanol free) - I wonder why avgas is ethanol free?

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - focussed

most elderly vehicles can stand E5(5%ethanol) but are likely to be affected long term by E10.

The old (80 - 130 years) I work with are badly affected by E5. Fortunately, we have a supply of avgas (ethanol free) - I wonder why avgas is ethanol free?

Avgas is ethanol free because fuel containing ethanol is not approved for use in aircraft by the UK Civil Aviation Authority. It attracts moisture from the atmosphere, and the last thing you need on an aircraft is water in the fuel.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - thunderbird

A friend of mine who owns a classic had loads of trouble about 10 years ago with fuel pipes disintegrating, its a minor miracle the car did not catch fire. He replaced all the pipes with modern equivalent that was supposedly fine with Ethanol, after 2 years it was the same again. At great expense he replaced the whole lot again with a product called Think Automotive TFE which the classic sites and magazine rated in every respect but cost and difficulty in fitting. Its fine with E85 according to the blurb and so far so good with the normal E5 stuff.

He also tried Avgas some years ago for a bit of extra go on track days. Took it to his local rolling road and was shocked to find it produced less power than on supermarket pump petrol a few months before. I don't know the exact science but the chap explained that it was a mistake many customers used to make years ago, apparently avgas is designed to burn slower in lower revving aero engines to produce the power. Put it in a high revving, tuned road engine and it simply does not work.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - bathtub tom

He also tried Avgas some years ago for a bit of extra go on track days. Took it to his local rolling road and was shocked to find it produced less power than on supermarket pump petrol a few months before. I don't know the exact science but the chap explained that it was a mistake many customers used to make years ago, apparently avgas is designed to burn slower in lower revving aero engines to produce the power. Put it in a high revving, tuned road engine and it simply does not work.

Avgas is available in low octane unleaded and high octane 'low' lead. Higher octane doesn't mean more power, it burns slower to take advantage of higher compression ratios without pre-detonation. Both have the same calorific value.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Andrew-T

The seals and fuel piping in modern systems are not affected by E10-most elderly vehicles can stand E5(5%ethanol) but are likely to be affected long term by E10.

I understand that a recent FBHVC newsletter states the following :

Fuel
There had been efforts to introduce E10 petrol to the forecourt. We understand that the only UK refinery for the alcohol additive has closed and the environmental costs of shipping alcohol additives from other parts of the world negates any environmental benefit and fuels on the forecourt remain unchanged. I am sure will emerge again as a potential issue for historic vehicle owners so we will keep this under review.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - focussed

We have had UL 95-E10 for some time in france, I only run petrol in motorcycles and various chainsaws, dumper, mowers etc and avoid E10 because of the hygroscopic problem and general running problems.

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Theophilus

When I had my lawn-mower serviced a couple of years ago I was advised that as it stood unused for a couple of months over the winter I should use Aspen 4 fuel - an ethanol-free petrol available (for a price!) either from garden machinery service agents or online. I've used it since (in my lawn-mower!) and it's solved the problems with standard filling-station fuel - but as it costs £30+ for 5 litres I don't anticipated using it in my wife's Jazz (though if I could afford to run the Rolls as per the OP I guess it would be a minor expense).

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit + Silver Spur - Ethanol in Petrol - Andrew-T

As soon as it becomes clear that I have done the last mow of autumn, I empty the mower of petrol and add it to my car .... Haven't had a fuel-related problem so far. In fact it hasn't been serviced for a couple of years as it may come back worse than it went in. All I have done this winter is to clean the plug.