Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

Just a thought..

With tariffs being levied.. on our exports.

I know we could buy some LHD cars made in the USA,

BUT there is nothing in rhd to buy .

Thoughts?

Any - American. Cars - Falkirk Bairn

Spartanburg in the Carolinas has a BMW factory -BMW X3, X4, X5, X6, X7 - some are RHD exported to UK amongst other RHD countries.

Honda has several plants in the US - some manufacture RHD Civics and CRVs which are exported around the world.

In 1995, my wife's 50th Birthday, was a USA built Honda Civic Coupe - great car sold 2003. Just under 100K miles with no bills other than servicing & consumables + anti-roll bar perished bushes around 80K. The engine went bang with the 2nd owner, who we know, at ~150K.

Jeep build RHD models in US.

RHD vans are built under contract to the US Postal Service.

Any - American. Cars - RT

Cadillac are making RHD versions of their EVs - initially for Australia but intended for Japan and UK afterwards.

Jeep Grand Cherokee is built in RHD - so are most Teslas.

Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

Thanks for the examples, I did not specify, but meant USA manufacturers so BMW .Honda etc don't count ...

Do our "Teslas" come from the USA or China?

Any - American. Cars - daveyjp

US car manufacturing has been global for decades.

Before the likes of Tesla the most common 'American' car on UK roads in the last 20 years was probably the Chrysler 300c, which borrowed heavily from the Merc E class of the time.

Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep etc are now all part of Stellantis.

Buick, Cadillac part of GM etc

Any - American. Cars - Oli rag

I think our Tesla's come from Germany.

Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

Before the likes of Tesla the most common 'American' car on UK roads in the last 20 years was probably the Chrysler 300c, which borrowed heavily from the Merc E class of the time.

I quite liked the look of the 300C.

Any - American. Cars - daveyjp

At a similar time the Cadillac CTS was released in the UK and I do still see one around my local area.

Any - American. Cars - Adampr

Ford Mustangs are made in the US, I think.

However, the tariffs don't really affect us (in terms of car choice/cost). It would only be if we decided to put tariffs on US goods, which we won't because

A) Starmer hasn't got the balls

B) We don't buy enough from the US for it to have much of an impact

C).Only a giant orange clown would think that making the majority of goods in their country more expensive would be helpful.

Any - American. Cars - Andrew-T

C).Only a giant orange clown would think that making the majority of goods in their country more expensive would be helpful.

Recent detailed reports of his make-up procedures in The Times suggested that the Clown is less orange than he used to be ?

And I am rather surprised that I have seen no attempts to christen him President Turnip, which in a carefully chosen font could be made almost indistinguishable from the real name, and be reminiscent of Baldric ?

Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

There was a note in one of the papers a few weeks back

www.marketplace.org/story/2025/03/26/heres-why-pri...o

US suppliers are raisng their prices to match the new imports.

It was expected, so either way US consumers are losing.

Any - American. Cars - davecooper

Most cars made in the US for the domestic market seem to have pretty bad fuel consumption. Not many buyers in the UK are going to go near a family car with an mpg in the mid 20's. I don't think the orange one realises how big the choice of cars is this side of the Atlantic.

Any - American. Cars - edlithgow

C).Only a giant orange clown would think that making the majority of goods in their country more expensive would be helpful.

Recent detailed reports of his make-up procedures in The Times suggested that the Clown is less orange than he used to be ?

And I am rather surprised that I have seen no attempts to christen him President Turnip, which in a carefully chosen font could be made almost indistinguishable from the real name, and be reminiscent of Baldric ?

Mind if I use that on Forumosa? Lots of American Trumpeters on there who will be annoyed, though probably wont get the Baldric thing.

So far I've just een working (ta)riffs on MAGA - Making America Grate (on everyones nerves) Again, MAGDA - Making America Greatly Depressed Again etc, etc.

I should probably branch out a bit to all the other acronyms the web has spawned but I tend not to know what they mean.

Any - American. Cars - focussed
It has been clear that the videos of DT have been "enhanced" by either using a lens filter or altering the white balance setting as various versions of the same video on different networks show different hues of orangeness.

thrivenews.co/cnn-accused-of-using-orange-filter-o.../

"And I am rather surprised that I have seen no attempts to christen him President Turnip"

What does the "T" stand for in your forum name?
Any - American. Cars - mcb100
The 300C, rather oddly, came from Austria for the UK (and presumably rest of Europe) market.
I think the US was supplied by Canada, and at no point in its history was there a US manufactured one.
I’m currently in a Dodge Durango in the US, and it in no way matches European standards.
Any - American. Cars - Ethan Edwards

So why oh why don't we buy F350 or Silverado pick ups? Is it the woeful build quality? The dismal fuel economy? Could it be the left hand drive only? Or maybe it's the stupidly high cost of these behemoths? 80 to a 100k in Dollars so that's going to be 80 to a 100k in Sterling.

Genuinely puzzling eh?

Any - American. Cars - RT

So why oh why don't we buy F350 or Silverado pick ups? Is it the woeful build quality? The dismal fuel economy? Could it be the left hand drive only? Or maybe it's the stupidly high cost of these behemoths? 80 to a 100k in Dollars so that's going to be 80 to a 100k in Sterling.

Genuinely puzzling eh?

Many of them are too heavy to be driven on a UK/EU car licence - and too big for most parking spaces

Any - American. Cars - expat

So why oh why don't we buy F350 or Silverado pick ups? Is it the woeful build quality? The dismal fuel economy? Could it be the left hand drive only? Or maybe it's the stupidly high cost of these behemoths? 80 to a 100k in Dollars so that's going to be 80 to a 100k in Sterling.

Genuinely puzzling eh?

Dodge RAM pickups get converted to RHD in Australia and are quite popular here. The price is between A$114.000 and A$157,000.

www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ram-1500-fends-off-n...n

I wouldn't want one myself however I do drive a big old Ford Falcon station wagon that gets about 18mpg in town and about 25mpg in the country.

Any - American. Cars - Marlin1
I’m currently in a Dodge Durango in the US, and it in no way matches European standards.

I hired one over there in 2007 - some time ago.

I liked it, in a utilitarian sort of way.

The fuel consumption was awful. It was an automatic but I don't think it had more than 4 gears?

The build quality was awful - panel gaps were all over the place.

In 2011 I hired a much more expensive car for a business trip over there. It was like stepping back 20 years compared to what we had over here.

Any - American. Cars - Andrew-T
I’m currently in a Dodge Durango in the US, and it in no way matches European standards.

I hired one over there in 2007 - some time ago. I liked it, in a utilitarian sort of way.

The fuel consumption was awful. It was an automatic but I don't think it had more than 4 gears?

I remember hiring a 'small' camper in the US some time in the 1990s. I think it had a 7½-litre petrol engine so consumption was terrible, as expected. Part of the trouble was cruise control, which tried to maintain 55mph (for example) up significant hills, which it just couldn't manage. Needless to say I disabled it.

Edited by Andrew-T on 10/04/2025 at 15:25

Any - American. Cars - mcb100
‘ The dismal fuel economy?’

We’ve the smallest engined Durango - a 3.6 litre V6 - and driving like Miss Daisy I can just get 26mpg (UK gallons) on a cruise.

I am going to baffle the next person to rent this car by leaving the fuel consumption in UK gallons and the A/C in Centigrade.
Any - American. Cars - expat
‘ The dismal fuel economy?’ We’ve the smallest engined Durango - a 3.6 litre V6 - and driving like Miss Daisy I can just get 26mpg (UK gallons) on a cruise. I am going to baffle the next person to rent this car by leaving the fuel consumption in UK gallons and the A/C in Centigrade.

Be sure to wipe any personal data out of the infotainment dooda. When you pair your phone it can slurp data and that stays for the next person.

Any - American. Cars - pd
‘ The dismal fuel economy?’ We’ve the smallest engined Durango - a 3.6 litre V6 - and driving like Miss Daisy I can just get 26mpg (UK gallons) on a cruise. I am going to baffle the next person to rent this car by leaving the fuel consumption in UK gallons and the A/C in Centigrade.

Must confess I always do that with US hire cars (if they have the option).

Any - American. Cars - Ethan Edwards

I commend your frugality getting 26mpg but I believe the number UK drivers are looking for is closer to 40mpg or more. Which isn't going to happen driving a hefty American behemoth. Personally I've gone 100% EV.

Any - American. Cars - mcb100
I had booked something similar to a Nissan Rogue (X-Trail for the European market), which comes with a modern 1.5 litre 3 cylinder.
Alamo had very kindly ‘upgraded’ me to the Durango at no extra cost, presumably because it’s all they had, or because it’s s one way rental, they wanted rid of.
It’s been fine, if s little agricultural, with the cooled seats being useful in the desert the other day.

Had there been an EV option available, I’d have taken it. As long as it wasn’t the now regularly seen Cybertruck.
Any - American. Cars - Adampr

I booked a Mustang in the US once and got 'upgraded'.to a Ford Taurus. It was very comfy but garbage in all other respects.

Any - American. Cars - Steveieb

I’d be happy with a Toyota Camry which seems to be the choice of taxi drivers in the US and I presume are built in the US or Mexico.

Hardly see one here though . V6 smooth !

Any - American. Cars - Random

So podex Trump complains the Americans buy a lot more Japanese cars than are imported into Japan. Make cars people want in Japan instead of their own. But then that wouldn't occur to DT.

Any - American. Cars - Ethan Edwards

I heard the other day the only car Ford US make these days is the Mustang. Imagine that, Ford practically gone out of the car business. Strange times.

Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

I heard the other day the only car Ford US make these days is the Mustang. Imagine that, Ford practically gone out of the car business. Strange times.

Absolutely!!!

Any - American. Cars - pd

It depends where you are but the choice of Uber taxi drivers in the US is frequently a Tesla or as Prius if you can't afford a Tesla.

Last time I was there (about 12 months ago) I got a USA built Volvo S60. Nice enough as USA hire cars go and reasonably economical until the (Google based) software through a complete wobbly and it just kept turning its self and and off. I left it for 2 hours and eventually it re-booted.

Any - American. Cars - mcb100
‘ I’d be happy with a Toyota Camry which seems to be the choice of taxi drivers in the US and I presume are built in the US or Mexico.’

It’s Prius by default here for taxis in California.

Re Ford - yes there are Mustangs, but also lots of Broncos.

Huge numbers of Teslas, as well as various iterations of Land-Rover. Range Rover, Discovery, Defender.

Rivian are also very popular.

Edited by mcb100 on 12/04/2025 at 00:36

Any - American. Cars - davecooper

Apparently, the government is considering lowering tariffs on American cars as part of a deal with the US. Japan has recently had the same conversation with the US and has told them that LHD cars will not sell in Japan. In addition, US car manufacturers have said they will not be producing mainstream US market cars in RHD form. So I would imagine that sales here and in Japan will send the message that we don't want their cars.

Any - American. Cars - Engineer Andy

Apparently, the government is considering lowering tariffs on American cars as part of a deal with the US. Japan has recently had the same conversation with the US and has told them that LHD cars will not sell in Japan. In addition, US car manufacturers have said they will not be producing mainstream US market cars in RHD form. So I would imagine that sales here and in Japan will send the message that we don't want their cars.

The question is will they fall for that ruse, given we could have zero tariffs on US cars but no-one buys them because they are all LHD, well, apart from perhaps the Mustang.

I can't think of a US-designed car that I'd ever want to have, even if it were RHD and free. Apart from having a decent amount of power in some, they mostly are ugly, poorly built and are not as good at anything else compared to a 30 year old car from Europe or Japan.

At best, I'd have one of their Eurobox/Japanese/Korean clone cars as a hire car for a holiday/trip when in the US, but that's it.

Any - American. Cars - Adampr

Remember about 15 years ago there was an influx of weird looking Dodges that were dirty cheap but complete garbage? Maybe we will be treated to those again!

Any - American. Cars - Big John

Remember about 15 years ago there was an influx of weird looking Dodges that were dirty cheap but complete garbage? Maybe we will be treated to those again!

and the Chrysler Neon in the early 2000's? My Father in Law had one.

Any - American. Cars - Orb>>.

Remember about 15 years ago there was an influx of weird looking Dodges that were dirty cheap but complete garbage? Maybe we will be treated to those again!

and the Chrysler Neon in the early 2000's? My Father in Law had one.

A few years back I took a Chrysler PT cruiser from some friends who had been offered £200 sc*** gave them £300, Mot'd it and put it on Gumtree for £1400 took a nice offer for it, Only problem it had was porous alloys, Bought by a man who had a couple of them. Gave my neighbours a share of the profits.

Any - American. Cars - davecooper

Apart from the obvious change from LHD to RHD, I would imagine there would be a host of other changes that would have to be made to comply with UK regs. How would they fare with NCAP? I know a poor NCAP rating doesn't prevent a car being sold in the UK but many people consider a good NCAP rating to be very important when buying.

Any - American. Cars - Adampr

Remember about 15 years ago there was an influx of weird looking Dodges that were dirty cheap but complete garbage? Maybe we will be treated to those again!

and the Chrysler Neon in the early 2000's? My Father in Law had one.

A few years back I took a Chrysler PT cruiser from some friends who had been offered £200 sc*** gave them £300, Mot'd it and put it on Gumtree for £1400 took a nice offer for it, Only problem it had was porous alloys, Bought by a man who had a couple of them. Gave my neighbours a share of the profits.

Apart from looking weird and driving like it was worn out straight from the factory, the PT Cruiser was alright! Very comfy and loads of room. I suppose that's the nature of American cars.

Any - American. Cars - Terry W

The question is will they fall for that ruse, given we could have zero tariffs on US cars but no-one buys them because they are all LHD, well, apart from perhaps the Mustang.

It's not a ruse - its a piece of political spin.

They know that current US cars are unlikely to be great sellers in the UK even if at some point they are re-engineered to be RHD.

Both Trump and Starmer can look their respective publics in the eye and say honestly and convincingly "we have negotiated a reciprocal deal on car tariffs". Meaningless of course, but that's politics.

Longer term risk is they attract more European, Korean and Japanese to manufacture in the US whothey may then be able to export cars to the UK which we actually want to buy,

Any - American. Cars - Engineer Andy

The question is will they fall for that ruse, given we could have zero tariffs on US cars but no-one buys them because they are all LHD, well, apart from perhaps the Mustang.

It's not a ruse - its a piece of political spin.

They know that current US cars are unlikely to be great sellers in the UK even if at some point they are re-engineered to be RHD.

Both Trump and Starmer can look their respective publics in the eye and say honestly and convincingly "we have negotiated a reciprocal deal on car tariffs". Meaningless of course, but that's politics.

Longer term risk is they attract more European, Korean and Japanese to manufacture in the US whothey may then be able to export cars to the UK which we actually want to buy,

True, and TBH I'd rather buy one made in the US than made in China, as long as the manufacturing standards were upheld across the board.

That used to be the case with the Japanese makes, as I recall the early/-mid 2000s Civic 3dr fastback was made there, and was actually quite a nice car with its 1.7L petrol engine. Just out of my price range back then, but when have Hondas ever been cheap this century?

On the other side of the coin, given the distinct lack actually British owned mass-produced car manufacturers these days, I seriously doubt if Starmer (or any other PM from the other parties) could genuinely call it anything other than (as you say) playing to the crowd at home.

In comparison to far larger earners, like pharma and food, car exports don't factor in very highly.

Any - American. Cars - mcb100
I’d imaging BMW & Mercedes-Benz are happy with the potential lowering of US-UK tariffs as they both have plants in the US that export to the UK.
As far as I know, all the X models from BMW come from Spartanburg in South Carolina.
Any - American. Cars - Engineer Andy
I’d imaging BMW & Mercedes-Benz are happy with the potential lowering of US-UK tariffs as they both have plants in the US that export to the UK. As far as I know, all the X models from BMW come from Spartanburg in South Carolina.

But aren't practically all their components made in Germany, thus surely the US would have to do a deal with the EU too in order for the cars exported from the UK to Germany or from the US (but from those makes) to be exported here to be free of tariffs?

Otherwise all everyone would do is just assemble products in countries with free trade and make all the components elsewhere.

Any - American. Cars - pd
I’d imaging BMW & Mercedes-Benz are happy with the potential lowering of US-UK tariffs as they both have plants in the US that export to the UK. As far as I know, all the X models from BMW come from Spartanburg in South Carolina.

And Volvo/Polestar.

Any - American. Cars - Terry W

US car sales rely upon imports.

By putting up tariffs Trump is protecting domestic industry for US consumption. However tariffs on imports will not reduce US costs of production which are much higher than the international competition (China, Korea etc).

I think it unlikely in the foreseeable future that US car manufacturers will be cost competitive and the threat that the US may export a lot more cars is low.

Any - American. Cars - mcb100
Automotive is a global industry, with components arriving from multiple countries.
It’s difficult to get hard information on how much BMW in the US ‘manufacture’ and how much they ‘assemble’.
Engines - the smaller, 3 & 4 cylinder units, come from Birmingham (West Mids, not Alabama). Not looked for the bigger stuff.
Gearboxes come from external suppliers - ZF, Getrag, Aisin, etc.
Brakes from Brembo, dampers from Bilstein. Electronics from Bosch. Hides for leather interior from Scotland? Who knows.
Difficult to envisage, however, BMW importing ready stamped body components from, say, Germany and just welding/bonding them in the US.
It’s a fiendishly complex supply chain - who knows the degree of ‘German’ electronics manufactured anywhere but Germany.
Any - American. Cars - Engineer Andy
Automotive is a global industry, with components arriving from multiple countries. It’s difficult to get hard information on how much BMW in the US ‘manufacture’ and how much they ‘assemble’. Engines - the smaller, 3 & 4 cylinder units, come from Birmingham (West Mids, not Alabama). Not looked for the bigger stuff. Gearboxes come from external suppliers - ZF, Getrag, Aisin, etc. Brakes from Brembo, dampers from Bilstein. Electronics from Bosch. Hides for leather interior from Scotland? Who knows. Difficult to envisage, however, BMW importing ready stamped body components from, say, Germany and just welding/bonding them in the US. It’s a fiendishly complex supply chain - who knows the degree of ‘German’ electronics manufactured anywhere but Germany.

No wonder everything goes to pot if / when the Suez or Panama canals get blocked or (in the case of the Pandemic) most flights are cancelled and factories are shut. The just-in-time system using globally-manufactured components requires lots of very small cogs to work correctly in order to the end result to be as intended.

If only our American friends would get the designs right (correct) in the first place so their products are actually worth buying!