Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Long anticipated first time in and drive today of the new Renault 5.

I wanted one before I saw it, and that desire has now increased.

I’ve only driven it for 20 minutes, in a test track environment, but I’ll be spending longer in one in February.

I think it’s a design joy, with enough details to recall the original 5, but not so much to be a pastiche of the 1970’s classic.

More impression to come in time.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - elekie&a/c doctor
Did it have a pair of cockatoos in the boot ?
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - paul 1963

Apart from the wheels I like the styling, look forward as normal to your review.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
‘ Did it have a pair of cockatoos in the boot ?’

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Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - elekie&a/c doctor
Original advert . www.google.com/search?q=renault+5+advert+with+cock...0
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - SLO76
High hopes for this one, I absolutely love the look of it so I’m glad it drives well. Very much on the Leaf replacement list, despite the limited rear space.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
We’re doing some ‘VIP Test Drive’ events w/c 17th February in some dealerships, so I’d imagine it’s available for general test drive duty soon after.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Random

One of the very few new cars I'd consider buying - much more attractive than the ugly MINI, and I'm sure the Pop green and yellow will be brightening up our roads. Makes me wonder how long it will take Peugeot to catch up, last time it took them about 10 years. I can imagine a re-imagined 205 EV going down a storm.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I wouldn’t hold my breath with Peugeot, the whole Stellantis ensemble seems a lot like a ship without a rudder at the moment, with a lack of any single direction.
If you were to ask Peugeot who’s the value brand, they’d say Citroen. Citroen would then say, that’s not us, we’re French and chic. If you want value, go and see Fiat.
Fiat would say ‘not us, we’re Italian and exuberant’, it’s Vauxhall you’re looking for.
And so it goes on.
It just seems to be a massive amount of platform sharing but carrying different badges, without the clear differentiation evident with Alpine/Renault/Dacia.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - edlithgow

If it doesn't spontaneously burst into flames it will fail to entirely evoke my Renault 5 experience, though otherwise it was a nice little car, and the last pushrod engine I had.

All OH (downhill) C from there

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - badbusdriver

I've said this before and will no doubt do so again, but the 5 E Tech is a massive disappointment to me due to the lack of space for rear passengers.

The fact that everyone is waxing lyrical over its looks, brushing over the fact that the rear seats are borderline unusable, apart from the very small, just shows how totally image centred most people have become. The Suzuki Swift is a smaller car in every measurement but can actually fit adults (with their legs and feet!) on the rear seats. And yes you could say that Renault have to put the battery under the floor so there has to be a compromise, but is that really the case?. In going from ICE to electric, rear space in the e 208 and e Corsa are not affected at all as the battery pack is under the rear seats. Even if the battery had to go under the floor, the modular nature of them means that a "well" could have been made so rear passengers feet could fit under the back of the front seats. This was the problem on the Zoe and the main reason we didn't get one at our last change of car, but Renault have done nothing at all to rectify it.

Seems that designers have become very lazy these days, better to make small cars bigger than use intelligent design to liberate more interior space like Suzuki do on the Swift and Ignis. And cars which are more image orientated like the Mini and this new 5, well interior space doesn't matter at all (other than driver and front passenger), as long as they look cool and desirable!

Anyway, rant over, as you were!

Edited by badbusdriver on 31/01/2025 at 08:23

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I had a six footer sitting in the back seat whilst I was driving.
South of France in the back seat? No.
Doable on typical journeys? Yes.
As ever with EV’s, the front seats will have to be raised a few notches to create foot space, but that’s a battery issue, not an exclusive 5 issue. On the plus side, there’s no ‘transmission tunnel’.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Andrew-T
On the plus side, there’s no ‘transmission tunnel’.

More accurately these days perhaps, an exhaust tunnel, at least for FWD cars, But I think it also does a lot to stiffen the floor pan, so if there is no tunnel that stiffening has to come from elsewhere ?

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - daveyjp

While some shorter cars have more rear legroom it does suggest it isn't deemed an important aspect of the design of this vehicle.

It is however one of those vehicles where back seat use is likely to be minimal. Short trips, second car, couples and families with young children. If it were a family car and had poor rear legroom that would be more of an issue.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
‘ More accurately these days perhaps, an exhaust tunnel, at least for FWD cars, But I think it also does a lot to stiffen the floor pan, so if there is no tunnel that stiffening has to come from elsewhere ?’

The battery and its associated support structure are designed as stressed members, adding rigidity.
I’m currently writing about the torsional strength of a similar, new to market EV and the input required to cause just one degree of twist is immense. Partly because of clever use of materials, and partly because of integrating the battery.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Chris M

"new to market EV and the input required to cause just one degree of twist is immense."

Is that perhaps because batteries can't be allowed to flex as they may be damaged (and become unsafe), whereas an ICE can be allowed to flex as no damage will result?

I had a quick look at the Renault website to see what the 5 looked like (as is common, no still images). Reminds me of the MINI in as much as it's "designer" with a long established name. Also looked at the 4 - certainly not the utilitarian car it once was i.e. "designer".

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
‘ I had a quick look at the Renault website to see what the 5 looked like (as is common, no still images). ’
There are no embargos on R5, so journalists have been posting images for a little while. Google Image search will find lots.

All sorts of advantages in having a stiff, rigid platform from which to work - the suspension can do its stuff without having to allow for its mounting points moving around, leading to improved steering, handling and ride, as well as increased occupant safety.
But, yes, protecting a high voltage battery is pretty high up the priority list.

If you want utilitarian from a Renault group product, it comes with a Dacia badge.

Edited by mcb100 on 31/01/2025 at 11:37

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Marlin1

It's a real shame that Nissan, who regularly share the parts bin with Renault, don't have an equally chic car with which to do the same.

(Perhaps revive the Micra? :-D)

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
The Renault-Nissan alliance is, in real terms, over.

You’ll see Nissan collaborating with Honda and Mitsubishi in future.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - groaver

It's a real shame that Nissan, who regularly share the parts bin with Renault, don't have an equally chic car with which to do the same.

(Perhaps revive the Micra? :-D)

www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/micra/356335/new-niss...r

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Marlin1

It's a real shame that Nissan, who regularly share the parts bin with Renault, don't have an equally chic car with which to do the same.

(Perhaps revive the Micra? :-D)

www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/micra/356335/new-niss...r

Thanks!

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - focussed

If you want utilitarian from a Renault group product, it comes with a Dacia badge.

Not only utilitarian, but better quality than it's parent Renault products.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/guides/most-reliable-car-bran.../

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Chris M

"If you want utilitarian from a Renault group product, it comes with a Dacia badge."

But Dacia will, maybe are, going the same way as Skoda. I imagine a new Panda (not the Grande Panda) would lose it's appeal to existing buyers of the car.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I don’t know much about the FIAT Panda, but Dacia have just launched a £14,995 EV - the Spring. They’re always going to be the value brand when compared to Renault.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Andrew-T
All sorts of advantages in having a stiff, rigid platform from which to work - the suspension can do its stuff without having to allow for its mounting points moving around, leading to improved steering, handling and ride, ....

If the platform is more rigid than we are accustomed to, presumably more shock absorption is required of other parts which will need to take on the flexing once available in the shell ? A bit like rubber-band tyres on big alloys causing a harsher ride ?

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I’ve no idea whether the figures I have are at the upper or lower end of the torsional rigidity range, it’s the first data of this type that I’ve seen. It’s north of 3.5 kn/m per degree.
But the stiffer the chassis, softer spring rates and lighter anti-roll bars can be used without compromising handling and steering, to the benefit of ride quality.
With no chassis twist, suspension geometry will remain optimal as suspension mounts aren’t moving away from their nominal, static, position.
Back in my rallying days, cars always handled better with a roll cage fitted - adding rigidity to the basic monocoque.
Springs, dampers, bushes, top mounts will all do their bit to reduce NVH levels.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - FiestaOwner
Long anticipated first time in and drive today of the new Renault 5. I wanted one before I saw it, and that desire has now increased. I’ve only driven it for 20 minutes, in a test track environment, but I’ll be spending longer in one in February. I think it’s a design joy, with enough details to recall the original 5, but not so much to be a pastiche of the 1970’s classic. More impression to come in time.

I'd say that Renault has nailed the design (As did Fiat when they launched the FWD 500 and BMW when they launched their Mini). Hope Ford are taking note after their disaster of a retro Capri.

I was disappointed by the lack of legroom for rear seat passengers, as reported by reviewers a few months ago. Perhaps isn't as bad as the reviewers made out. We all know how they can overemphasise the bad points.

The thing I would criticise it for is the huge rear wheels. 18" wheels on such a small car, which will more than likely be mostly used in town. Would have preferred to see 15 or 16" wheels. Smaller wheels would mean cheaper replacement tyres and would surely increase, the all important, range.

Interesting car though. Good to see a more affordable smaller EV (price still needs to be slightly cheaper).

Look forward to seeing them on the road, and I'm sure it'll be a sales success for Renault.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Well, after a week of hooning around Millbrook in one, I’ve now driven one home and have it for the next week.
My only on road experience so far is s fairly grim slog up the M1/M6/M56/M60 last night, but it’s pretty refined on a motorway run, rides nicely and has good seats. When I drove it a couple of weeks ago, I was a bit concerned that the driver’s seat was set s little high, but I’ve now got that lowered to a better position for me, obviously at the expense of rear passengers’ foot space.
As usual with Renault, it’s an Android-based infotainment system that just works - physical buttons are retained for heater controls, but in reality you just set the A/C to Auto and voice command Google to raise or lower the temperature if needed.
An additional feature I’ve not yet had chance to play with is an on-screen Avatar called Reno who pops up on screen when called for. He’s powered by ChatGPT and will provide next level interaction.
My car is in Pop Yellow, and I’m expecting lots of double takes from passers-by and other drivers this week.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - FiestaOwner
Well, after a week of hooning around Millbrook in one, I’ve now driven one home and have it for the next week. My only on road experience so far is s fairly grim slog up the M1/M6/M56/M60 last night, but it’s pretty refined on a motorway run, rides nicely and has good seats. When I drove it a couple of weeks ago, I was a bit concerned that the driver’s seat was set s little high, but I’ve now got that lowered to a better position for me, obviously at the expense of rear passengers’ foot space. As usual with Renault, it’s an Android-based infotainment system that just works - physical buttons are retained for heater controls, but in reality you just set the A/C to Auto and voice command Google to raise or lower the temperature if needed. An additional feature I’ve not yet had chance to play with is an on-screen Avatar called Reno who pops up on screen when called for. He’s powered by ChatGPT and will provide next level interaction. My car is in Pop Yellow, and I’m expecting lots of double takes from passers-by and other drivers this week.

Looking forward to updates on this one.

One thing I'm curious about though. I presume it won't come with a spare, but is there a spare wheel well in the boot?

In fact, do any EV's (at the more affordable end of the market) have a spare wheel well? It's not something you tend to hear mentioned by reviewers.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I can’t account for every model of EV, but 5 definitely doesn’t.
Lift the rear of the boot carpet and there’s a recess to hold the AC cable, and ahead of that the usual polystyrene liner with an inflation kit and a vehicle-to-load adaptor.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - madf

I have never owned a Renault in 60 years of motoring.

I do not intend to start now.. Expect all sorts of electrical gremlins after 3 years hard usage in a wet climate.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Wee Willie Winkie

I have never owned a Renault in 60 years of motoring.

I do not intend to start now.. Expect all sorts of electrical gremlins after 3 years hard usage in a wet climate.

I said much the same on here when looking for a replacement for my Tesla Model 3. I was reminded Renault have been producing the Zoe for some years without them all being halted by poor electrics. So there you go.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Marlin1

I have never owned a Renault in 60 years of motoring.

I do not intend to start now.. Expect all sorts of electrical gremlins after 3 years hard usage in a wet climate.

Yawn!

Old inaccurate stereo-types.

I see more German cars on motorway hard shoulders than any other countries.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - FiestaOwner
I can’t account for every model of EV, but 5 definitely doesn’t. Lift the rear of the boot carpet and there’s a recess to hold the AC cable, and ahead of that the usual polystyrene liner with an inflation kit and a vehicle-to-load adaptor.

That's a pity. Having storage for a spare wheel (and jack) is an area I wouldn't want to compromise on, when I next change car.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - RT
I can’t account for every model of EV, but 5 definitely doesn’t. Lift the rear of the boot carpet and there’s a recess to hold the AC cable, and ahead of that the usual polystyrene liner with an inflation kit and a vehicle-to-load adaptor.

That's a pity. Having storage for a spare wheel (and jack) is an area I wouldn't want to compromise on, when I next change car.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

You'll have your work cut out there - increasingly manufacturers are omitting spare wheels from specifications to save cost/weight and improve consumption figures, whether IC, EV or hybrid.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - badbusdriver
I can’t account for every model of EV, but 5 definitely doesn’t. Lift the rear of the boot carpet and there’s a recess to hold the AC cable, and ahead of that the usual polystyrene liner with an inflation kit and a vehicle-to-load adaptor.

That's a pity. Having storage for a spare wheel (and jack) is an area I wouldn't want to compromise on, when I next change car.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

You'll have your work cut out there - increasingly manufacturers are omitting spare wheels from specifications to save cost/weight and improve consumption figures, whether IC, EV or hybrid.

If you were to get something that looks chunky and quite squared off (Fiat Grande Panda springs to mind), you could maybe go for an expedition look and have a spare wheel (or two) mounted on a roof rack?

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - FiestaOwner

If you were to get something that looks chunky and quite squared off (Fiat Grande Panda springs to mind), you could maybe go for an expedition look and have a spare wheel (or two) mounted on a roof rack?

I think I'll give that idea a miss! I'd never be able to lift the wheel up there!

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - FiestaOwner
I can’t account for every model of EV, but 5 definitely doesn’t. Lift the rear of the boot carpet and there’s a recess to hold the AC cable, and ahead of that the usual polystyrene liner with an inflation kit and a vehicle-to-load adaptor.

That's a pity. Having storage for a spare wheel (and jack) is an area I wouldn't want to compromise on, when I next change car.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

You'll have your work cut out there - increasingly manufacturers are omitting spare wheels from specifications to save cost/weight and improve consumption figures, whether IC, EV or hybrid.

I'm well aware of that. My 2019 Ibiza and my dad's new Golf both came without spare wheels, but they both had somewhere to put one. I bought a full size spare (with tool kit) from the dealer, when I bought my car. My dad bought a full size wheel off Oponeo and a jack off ebay.

Between work vehicles and my cars, I've probably had around 15 punctures. On all occasions I was able to find a safe place to change the wheels myself. Also, all the tyres were repairable, as I didn't use the puncture repair spray gunk.

Punctures always happen at the most inconvenient times. It's a lot quicker to change the wheel yourself than wait on a recovery truck, to take you to a garage, who then have to get a tyre. A lot of horror stories of folk getting a puncture on a public holiday (particularly Xmas) and having their car out of action for days, just for the lack of a spare.

The last puncture I got on my car, I was on holiday 200 miles away from home. I'd have lost a day's holiday, if I didn't carry a spare. Instead, it cost me about 15 mins.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Four Renaults in this household - a 52 reg, a 62 reg, a 19 reg and the new 5.
We’ve had at least one for the past 30 years. No more glitchy than any other brand, and I’m in Manchester (where it can be quite rainy).
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Xileno

I find the retro aspect a bit odd. How many people under the age of 40 will have a meaningful memory of the Renault 5? It's been out of production rising 30 years. The Fiat 500 sold well so we will have to see.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - expat

I find the retro aspect a bit odd. How many people under the age of 40 will have a meaningful memory of the Renault 5? It's been out of production rising 30 years. The Fiat 500 sold well so we will have to see.

Maybe aiming for the young hipster market. The folks who buy turntable hifis and expensive digital cameras that look like 1970 cameras. Fujifilm X series. Those folk seem to have plenty of money and they are often in their 20s. Everything old is new again. Flared jeans coming back soon?

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Big John

Flared jeans coming back soon?

Er - I saw some flared jeans in M&S the other day. I think they are already on their way.........

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Random

Charging cable stored under the boot floor? Quite clearly not the right solution.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - pd

Charging cable stored under the boot floor? Quite clearly not the right solution.

How often are you actually going to use it though? Most home chargers are tethered and when using public charging you are far more likely to use CCS.

You'll only probably use it when using an untethered type 2 public charger which are out there but far from the most common.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
‘ Charging cable stored under the boot floor? Quite clearly not the right solution.’

Where would you store it?

In reality, I’m not going to use it for the time I’ve got the car - I’ll be using public chargers with tethered cables.
So it can stay neatly away in its easily accessible compartment.

Edit: Unless you’re thinking it’s slung underneath like a Peugeot spare wheel?

Edited by mcb100 on 16/02/2025 at 13:27

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - RT
‘ Charging cable stored under the boot floor? Quite clearly not the right solution.’ Where would you store it? In reality, I’m not going to use it for the time I’ve got the car - I’ll be using public chargers with tethered cables. So it can stay neatly away in its easily accessible compartment. Edit: Unless you’re thinking it’s slung underneath like a Peugeot spare wheel?

It needs to be accessible with a boot full of luggage - otherwise long journeys become even less practical.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Not really - I’m doing a week’s worth of long trips between now and next Saturday, with a boot full of kit, and I’m pretty sure the cable won’t move from its hidey hole under the carpet.
Most of my charges will be done on DC rapid chargers where the cable is always tethered, and top-ups at dealers will, in all probability, be done on tethered AC units.
If you want to leave it in the boot, it’s a 5m cable with a plug on each end to put on top of any luggage. Its volume is negligible against a 326 litre boot.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Random

Whoops a daisy! I'd been told you have to use your own charging cable at public chargers because if everyone uses the cable that's there it would end up getting damaged, too much of a risk with all the high voltage elctricity going through it.

Please enlighten me as to how public charge points work. Thanks.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - pd

All fast chargers have their own cable. Some "slow" public chargers (usually 7Kw) are just a socket and you have to use your own cable but an increasing number of them are now "tethered".

It tends to be "destination" chargers which are the slow type.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Two ‘flavours’ of public charging - AC and DC.

AC can be either tethered or untethered - but the fastest AC charging I’ve seen on an EV is 22kW - most max out at 11kW. These are more thought of as ‘destination chargers’ - somewhere you’ll be parked for a few hours, typically.

‘En route’ charging is DC and much faster - the fastest chargers we have are up to 360kW, but they’ll only charge as fast as the car can manage. This Renault 5, for example, will max out at 100kW.
Typically, the larger the battery the faster it will take on charge. Which is why everyone quotes 20-80% in approx 30 minutes.
This is a big, heavy cable - think hose from a petrol pump, but greater diameter in some cases, with a large plug on the end. You never carry these - it’d be like turning up at a petrol station with your own hose. They’re always tethered - apart from those that’ve been cut off by low lifes…
They can be a two handed operation to wangle them into the charging port on the car when the cable’s cold and unwieldy.
Hope this helps.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - Random

Thanks pd and mcb100. They now just need canopies with solar panels.

Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I’m conscious we should be in the EV conversation, but if you call at one of the big Gridserve stations (Norwich, Braintree and Gatwick so far, lots more coming) you’ll find petrol station type layouts (but not slippery underfoot and smelling of diesel…) with solar panel covered canopies and large storage batteries.

www.gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electr.../
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
I’ve just (very reluctantly) left my Renault 5 behind and clattered home in my old Megane. Just had to put some diesel in it, and remembered how unpleasant a process that is.

Anyway, it’s been great company for the past few days of visiting dealers, the last car I had that attracted anywhere near the level of attention that the 5 garnered was the Chrysler 300C, way back when.

Yes, it could be roomier in the back seats, but Renault 4 is due along shortly to provide the rational counterpoint to the 5’s possibly more emotional appeal.

Efficiency has been a game of two halves - the week started with temperatures of 2-3 degrees C, and motorway range hovered around 150 comfortable miles. By the second half of the week, with the ambient close to or in double figures, it’s been a projected 180 motorway miles.
Urban should be an easy 250 miles.

It’s been very comfortable, a nice balance of ride and handling - even though all variants are on 18” wheels, they’re on 195/55 tyre size, so still some sidewall cushioning available.

So, yes, thoroughly recommended.

A different EV next week, but I can’t talk about that until later in the year as I’ve signed an NDA.
Renault 5-Tech - First Drive - mcb100
Forget to add as a side note, I called into the hell hole that is Cobham services last night for a charge - the place was rammed.
As I pulled onto a charger, the car in front was an identical, yellow, Renault 5 - a colleague on his way back from a different dealer.
Two minutes later, another one arrived - another colleague who’d left the same dealership as me but had chosen, independently, the same place to charge.
That did create a bit of attention, three, identical new Renault 5’s on charge and in a line.