Best budget 2 seater - AndrewAUK99

Interested what people think of these smart two seaters ?

Audi TT

BMW Z3/Z4

Merc SLK

All of these are available under £4k on auto trader and classic cars

Are any or all inherently a bad idea as a cheap occasional 2 seater ?

Thanks

Best budget 2 seater - Terry W

They will either provide several years of enjoyable, cheap occasional fun, or (rather more likely) prove a complete money pit.

It will be 12+ years old, probably 100k+ miles, several owners, possibly cared for , probably thrashed.

There may be the odd one owner, full service history, lowish mileage car out there - so if you go ahead buy on condition and history, not price.

Best budget 2 seater - expat

Get an MX5. No prestige, lots of fun and much cheaper if repairs are needed.

Best budget 2 seater - SLO76
All three are expensive for parts and prone to costly problems at the age and money you’re talking about. The only reliable small two seater you could buy for £4k or less and expect to be able to use it daily would be a Mazda MX5. I’d go for a well cared for low mileage 1.8 Mk III. They’re not fast, but that’s not important. The joy comes from the rifle bolt gear change and the way it pieces together a series of B road bends. The fact that it’s not powerful means you can exploit it fully in the road unlike more powerful and less reliable German options. If you’ve never driven one then I highly recommend you do so.

Mechanically they’re bulletproof, rust is still the killer even on the Mk III. It might look ok up top but it could be rotten underneath so you need to check the Mot history carefully and get underneath it first a good look. Avoid cars that have been used as daily transport in Scotland in particular as the salty winter roads kills then. A low owner toy that’s only used in good weather is what you want. Get a solid one, have it undersealed and enjoy it as long as you can fit in the thing. They’re brilliant.

I won’t recommend any of the German cars, but if you absolutely must then buy on condition and I’d avoid the DSG auto in the TT. The 4cyl BMW’s tend to eat timing chains so the 6’s are more robust and sound better, but the Z3 was no fun to drive and the first gen Z4 wasn’t well made at all. The Merc is mechanically robust but the folding roof can go wrong and costs a pretty penny to fix, plus again it’s no great joy to drive. It’s more like a C Class saloon to drive. The 4cyl cars are a bit unrefined at low speed and the diesel 220’s can suffer loads of typical diesel related woe so I’d avoid them. The 6cyl cars go well and will run to big mileages.

Condition and history are all important with the more complex German cars and I’d only consider one if you have a genuine local specialist nearby who caters for that particular brand. I’m spoilt for that as well have specialists for BMW/Mini, VAG, JLR and Mercedes within walking distance of my house. I’d still pick the Mazda though as anyone can look after them, they’re simple as.

Edited by SLO76 on 19/01/2025 at 08:29

Best budget 2 seater - Lee Power

One thing with a MX5 is check the soft top for damage very carefully as its not a nice job to replace - I've assisted with replacing one helping a friend in the past, never again.

Best budget 2 seater - elekie&a/c doctor
A £4 k plus , budget can get you a very tidy bmw E 46 series 3 . But it’s got to have the 6 cylinder engine.
Best budget 2 seater - badbusdriver

Interested what people think of these smart two seaters ?

Audi TT

BMW Z3/Z4

Merc SLK

None of the above are smart two seaters, but these are:

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Joking aside, I'd agree with SLO. MX5 all day long, but if you must have one of the German trio, choose carefully.

Edited by badbusdriver on 19/01/2025 at 09:26

Best budget 2 seater - Will deBeast

I've had a 2011 mk3 mx-5 from new.

In that time I've had one fault. The motor went on the EGR valve. It put the EML on, but still allowed me to get home.

It gets driven enthusiastically, and remains a great car for the back roads.

My office mates have a variety of german cars - Audi TT, BMW 640 etc. All cost a LOT more to run.

If you're buying an MX-5 just check very carefully for rust.

Best budget 2 seater - newguy2015

I asked a similar question last year - see here https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106

I can now report that the MX5 has been sold and I’ve gone with the insane option and got myself a smart roadster. It’s awesome and has not yet broken down!

I never really gelled with the mx5 but the roadster puts a smile on my face. Yes there are well known issues with this car but the drive is awesome

If you consider this route make sure there is a mechanic that specialises in smarts nearby.

Best budget 2 seater - SLO76

I asked a similar question last year - see here https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106

I can now report that the MX5 has been sold and I’ve gone with the insane option and got myself a smart roadster. It’s awesome and has not yet broken down!

I never really gelled with the mx5 but the roadster puts a smile on my face. Yes there are well known issues with this car but the drive is awesome

If you consider this route make sure there is a mechanic that specialises in smarts nearby.

Friend has one, and I love the look of it and I love the thrum from that tiny motor. Handles well and has bags of character, but why they saddled it with that awful single clutch automated manual box I’ll never know, it ruins the car for me, just doesn’t suit a small sporty car at all. Had they offered them with a slick changing manual box they would’ve been everywhere.
Best budget 2 seater - newguy2015

In full automatic mode, at times it is a bit r******. I bought one with paddles on the steering wheel for this very reason. By manually using the gears yourself, it’s absolutely fine and puts a great big smile on my face

Best budget 2 seater - Random

If you're going to use only occasionally for summer fun I wouldn't be concerned about stuff going wrong. Just put a bit of cash aside for any unexpected expenses, which will happen, but if you buy on condition, preferably with few owners, and service history including receipts that show your prospective purchase has been pampered, you should be OK. And make sure you check for rust as bodywork can be expensive if you want it done properly.

Now is a good time to buy, leave it to spring/early summer and prices/demand rises. And before you buy I'd suggest joing relevant forums for the cars you are interested in so you can find out each car's foibles, which version is best, and you might even find a forum contributor has a car for sale or knows someone selling one. TouTube can be a useful source for buying guides.

Having had a chance to think about your proposals, some of them will have electrics roofs, personally I'd avoid as at this budget/age they're likely to give grief. A friend has a 2009 TT with an electric roof, twice it's not worked and been expensive to sort out. With the benfit of hindsight she wishes she'd bought a coupe, she's rarely gone topless in nearly 10 years of ownership.

While an MX-5 tends to be reliable, they do rust, even the MK3 which migh be within your reach - I've not checked prices. I had a MK1 many years a go and for my taste found the steering too light, much prefer the steering of a MK1 TT I've driven a couple of times.

Whatever you buy, enjoy!

Edited by Random on 19/01/2025 at 17:10

Best budget 2 seater - badbusdriver

In full automatic mode, at times it is a bit r******. I bought one with paddles on the steering wheel for this very reason. By manually using the gears yourself, it’s absolutely fine and puts a great big smile on my face

We used to have a Suzuki Ignis with the same type of automated manual and it was fine if you took manual control. No flappy paddles though!

Cool car though (the Smart Roadster), and a bit different from the default choices. Probably the closest (younger) equivalent would be a JDM import Honda S660 (the successor to the Bat), they were made up to 2022. I believe that annoying chap who does the YT videos for Car Wow bought himself one recently.

Best budget 2 seater - Random
I believe that annoying chap who does the YT videos for Car Wow bought himself one recently.

LOL!

Best budget 2 seater - badbusdriver

In full automatic mode, at times it is a bit r******. I bought one with paddles on the steering wheel for this very reason. By manually using the gears yourself, it’s absolutely fine and puts a great big smile on my face

We used to have a Suzuki Ignis with the same type of automated manual and it was fine if you took manual control. No flappy paddles though!

Cool car though (the Smart Roadster), and a bit different from the default choices. Probably the closest (younger) equivalent would be a JDM import Honda S660 (the successor to the Bat), they were made up to 2022. I believe that annoying chap who does the YT videos for Car Wow bought himself one recently.

Just noticed Bat where Beat should be, not sure if that was me or spell check!

Best budget 2 seater - Engineer Andy

I asked a similar question last year - see here https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=198106

I can now report that the MX5 has been sold and I’ve gone with the insane option and got myself a smart roadster. It’s awesome and has not yet broken down!

I never really gelled with the mx5 but the roadster puts a smile on my face. Yes there are well known issues with this car but the drive is awesome

If you consider this route make sure there is a mechanic that specialises in smarts nearby.

Friend has one, and I love the look of it and I love the thrum from that tiny motor. Handles well and has bags of character, but why they saddled it with that awful single clutch automated manual box I’ll never know, it ruins the car for me, just doesn’t suit a small sporty car at all. Had they offered them with a slick changing manual box they would’ve been everywhere.

In addition, I suspect one of the great advantages of owning an MX-5 over those German 2-seaters is that you'll likely pay significantly less for the insurance premium, especially as the OP has a very limited budget to buy the car in the first place.

And that there are owners' clubs all over the UK with lots of help and tips to get the best out of them, tips on home maintenance of the cars, where to source quality parts and indie garages, maybe even 'specialist' insurers etc.

Best budget 2 seater - John F

You could have a bit of fun with this project - doesn't look as though it would take much to put things right; it passed an MoT not that long ago - and hardly any miles ago.

www.ebay.com/itm/126863318881?ff3=2&toolid=100...e

It.s one of the last ones - when they built them properly.

Edited by John F on 19/01/2025 at 18:37

Best budget 2 seater - Adampr

If we're allowing suggestions, it's also worth looking at the MG TF. They sorted out the cooling and changed the MGF's Metro suspension for proper springs, so the two main issues with the F are dealt with.

It's a bit more butch than the MX5 and not as costly to run as the Germans. Find one that's been owned by a Longbridge-obsessed retiree (check forums) and you'll have a good one.

Best budget 2 seater - tanvir

What about an MR2? I don't know if they're better on rust than the MX-5.

Best budget 2 seater - badbusdriver

What about an MR2? I don't know if they're better on rust than the MX-5.

Probably about the same on the rust front on similar aged cars, but the youngest MR2 is now approaching 19 years old.

That doesn't mean there isn't going to be a viable £4k MR2 out there, But the chances of finding a good one at that price are considerably smaller than with the MX5 simply because there are so many more to choose from. On Autotrader there are 14 MR2's and 108 MX5's nationwide within that budget!

Best budget 2 seater - daveyjp

An MOT exempt vehicle such as the TR7 (long list of others) makes sense, rather than a 20 year old German marque gamble which could throw an MOT failing expensive to fix (due to diagnostic labour time rather than parts) dash warning at any time.

I know someone with a 1978/9 MGB, so one of the last made which he bought in 1982. It is a 'Triggers broom' car in that the only original body panel is the slam panel above the dash, the engine and gearbox have been rebuilt twice (the second time quite recently), it has had modern upgrades to suspension, brakes, ignition etc, but he uses it as his daily driver and as a result is very reliable.

Best budget 2 seater - mcb100
What are you looking for in your two seater?
Does fun to drive come into it?
If it does, forget the Audi and M-B. They may be many things, but fun they’re not.
If you’re looking for any driver involvement, it’s got to be the obvious choice and something wearing a Mazda badge - though the BMC/BL/AR enthusiast in me does like the late MG TF suggestion.
Best budget 2 seater - Random

Personally I found the MK1 TT I've driven a couple of times to be fun. I'd suggest the OP drives all the cars on their shortlist to ascertain which one they prefer, because we're all different.

Best budget 2 seater - Gibbo_Wirral

My vote would be the SLK. I was looking at the same 3 cars a few years ago.

SLK prices have dropped a lot recently, so you'll easily bag a bargain. And they're hardly the car of a boy racer, so won't have been "thrashed" like one on here has claimed. Many owners keep them as garaged weekend Summer-only cars.

And believe it or not, Mercedes are decent at honouring the 30 YEAR warranty - regardless of what owner you are or how its been serviced - so the two weak points on this car: subframe and wings, will be replaced free of charge.

The owner community is also brilliant.

Not sure where you're based OP, but check out SLKOWNERSCLUB UK on Facebook and find someone local who will be happy to take you out for a drive in one

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 20/01/2025 at 12:32