Any - Paying for things twice - Halmerend
Having just had a service, mot and timing belt change done at a main dealer got me thinking. Aren’t I effectively paying for a number of things twice? For example the oil change would form part of the service and the timing belt change. The safety checks performed during the service would also be done as part of the mot. Not sure what I can do about it other than staggering the mot and service?
Any - Paying for things twice - catsdad

Timing belt wouldn’t require an oil change. Doubling up on checks is a potential double charge and some garages recognise this by offering a special price when service and mot are done at the same time. If it’s concern shop around.

My indie used to offer a special price but no longer. I take the view that he is still good value for the work done and care taken so I’ve stuck with him.

Any - Paying for things twice - Halmerend
The oil has to be changed on 2018 Civic as part of the timing belt replacement?
Any - Paying for things twice - elekie&a/c doctor
Any wet belt engine will need an oil change after replacement. The mot is a basic safety check and covers points not on a service.
Any - Paying for things twice - catsdad

Apologies I forgot about the wet belt variants. Have they itemised two lots of oil, surely not?

Any - Paying for things twice - Andrew-T

I may be out of date (quite likely :-) ) but in principle there is little overlap between a 'service' and a MoT. The MoT test is to check that essential things work correctly and show no signs of imminent deterioration. Testers are not allowed to dismantle or open containers etc. (tho a friendly one may top something up). Basic servicing according to schedule will include fluid changes or top-ups, filters and cambelts.

Because there is only slight overlap, it can make sense to do both together, but the MpT is annual, which may not fit the service schedule.

Any - Paying for things twice - John F
Having just had a service, mot and timing belt change done at a main dealer got me thinking. Aren’t I effectively paying for a number of things twice?.......

Yes.


...For example the oil change would form part of the service and the timing belt change.

Not a good example - thiis is not covered in the MoT, which is purely an inspection for safety and roadworthiness.

The safety checks performed during the service would also be done as part of the mot. Not sure what I can do about it other than staggering the mot and service?

What I did about it decades ago was to dispense with a garage 'service' and just pay for an MoT. You are right in that the MoT checks are the same as those done during the 'service'. Indeed, they are probably done more rigorously as the UK system, unlike more enlightened jurisdictions, has an innate conflict of interest, i.e. if you use the same garage for the MoT and the 'service', it is in the garage's interest to find as much work as possible to do. Hence the advice to build a relationship with a good local 'indy'. For a low mileage driver, the most economical way of caring for the car is to change the oil every 10,000 miles and replace other things when the MoT check or the hand book (there is usually a 'maintenance' section) advises they might be at or nearing the end of their life, e.g. spark plugs, brake pads, brake discs.

However, the trade has got wise to this and encourages punters to sign up for new car warranties way beyond the usual three years or so - sometimes up to ten years, thus trapping them into an expensive annual 'service' no matter how few the miles covered since the last one.

Any - Paying for things twice - Halmerend
I think you’ve missed my point. The oil change IS part of the timing belt change and service though, I never mentioned the mot. So I’m effectively charged twice.
Any - Paying for things twice - Bromptonaut

Does the itemised invoice include more than one fill of oil?

Both service and belt change involve removing the sump plug allowing the oil to drain etc before replacing the plug and refilling. To that extent you might be paying twice for tech's time but I'm not sure that's a ditch worth dying in.

I had a run with a Citroen franchise a few years ago where they did two tasks involving McPherson strut repairs and something else in the same area and they tried to charge me the menu price for both. I had to get quite assertive and demand a word with the service manager before they relented.

Any - Paying for things twice - FoxyJukebox
I tend to keep the MOT separate from any servicing. The test and a pass certificate is sometimes ( but not always) accompanied by advisables-which depending on seriousness can then be considered at the next service.
One thing though. That next service, which essentially should include an oil change, is usually carried out around 3 months after the MOT.
Any - Paying for things twice - catsdad

I can see arguments both ways on doing at the same time or not. Our cars do under 10k a year each and the service and MoT dates, having started together, still coincide. For us it’s more convenient to only have one visit per car. Unfortunately however both cars have dates within a couple of weeks of one another so it’s an expensive month.

Like John F I have doubts about the extended warranty tied to service. Our 2020 Vitara has cover but sticking with main dealer servicing is proving inconvenient. Our local dealer, thirty minutes away, isn’t good. While the supplying dealer, an hour away, took three months and three visits to fix a leaking gasket. So that’s several hours of kicking heels around a shopping mall. I will revert to my local, walking distance indie for future servicing.

Any - Paying for things twice - edlithgow

If you DIY, you internalise the conflict, so you, rather than your car, have the breakdown.