foggiest idea - Bilboman

It's that time of year again, when front and rear foglights are either left on all day or completely ignored by the majority of drivers. Dazzle, dazzle, blaze, blaze, reflect, reflect.
Drivers who are (i) forgetful, (ii) completely ignorant of traffic rules, (iii) in an unfamiliar borrowed/hired/stolen(!) car tend to over- or under-illuminate the road ahead, and the combination of ever-brighter HIDs and LEDs, badly-adjusted halogens and endless reflections from puddles in the never-ending succession of potholes, all contribute to a Cold War of dazzle that takes few prisoners. (Perhaps the French were right all along and we should all be gently cruising along in a soft tunnel of yellow hue!)

foggiest idea - daveyjp

I did 200 miles yesterday including the delights of the A66 from Penrith to Scotch Corner. it was one of the few occasions where the conditions met fog light requirements. Less than 100m visibility across the tops.

Less than 10% of vehicles had fog lights and the majority had no rear lights at all. That included many so called 'professional' HGV and coach drivers.

foggiest idea - galileo

I did 200 miles yesterday including the delights of the A66 from Penrith to Scotch Corner. it was one of the few occasions where the conditions met fog light requirements. Less than 100m visibility across the tops.

Less than 10% of vehicles had fog lights and the majority had no rear lights at all. That included many so called 'professional' HGV and coach drivers.

An obvious result of DRLs that light up the dashboard and front lights but not the rears.

Many cars use what would have been front fog lights as DRLs too.

Whoever thought this was a good idea and a safety improvement was lacking in common sense or any experience of human nature.

Perhaps he/she actually thought people read the handbook of their vehicle?

foggiest idea - gordonbennet

Can't recall the last time i needed to use rear fog lights, decades not years..

Its bad enough being assaulted by the frankly ridiculous whiter than white (was that Daz?) headlights and DRLs on 2 way roads and the increasing number of brightly lit advertising screens in urban areas, now its almost impossible to travel a dual carriageway or motorway with 1/2 a mile or more visibilty without the demon red assault of overbright rear fog lights.

No wonder we can't see any more, night vision totally destroyed.

foggiest idea - Simoncelli58

Can't recall the last time i needed to use rear fog lights, decades not years..

Its bad enough being assaulted by the frankly ridiculous whiter than white (was that Daz?) headlights and DRLs on 2 way roads and the increasing number of brightly lit advertising screens in urban areas, now its almost impossible to travel a dual carriageway or motorway with 1/2 a mile or more visibilty without the demon red assault of overbright rear fog lights.

No wonder we can't see any more, night vision totally destroyed.

Decades here as well.

Foglights are nothing but a nuisance, they blind other people, most are switched on in the rain, then forgotten about.

I've never needed to use mine for decades, it's very rare that visibility drops low enough these days.

We've gone from two to one on most new cars now anyway.

Do we really need them these days?

Edited by mickyh7 on 28/12/2024 at 16:07

foggiest idea - daveyjp

This is probably only the second or third time in my decades of driving where use of rear fogs was definately advisable.

foggiest idea - davecooper

I wish they had mandated rear DRL's along with fronts. Seems like a no brainer but what do I know. We could have possibly done away with rear fogs.

foggiest idea - Andrew-T

It's not the number of lights or whether they are front or rear. They are just too unnecessarily bright, which seems to have caused the leapfrogging war we complain about from time to time (like now). Some headlamps are painful enough in daylight, never mind after dark.

If GB can complain about them when seated a foot or two higher than most car drivers, they must be pretty bad.

foggiest idea - catsdad

Only used fog lights a handful of times in 50 years.
One memorable time was in B-movie grade fog on miles of narrow Cornish lanes to Polruan (opposite bank to the more famous Fowey). Slightly less hair raising knowing that locals have an unofficial one way system through duplicate lanes. But what if we met another tourist? So not much more than walking pace all the way.

foggiest idea - gordonbennet

It's not the number of lights or whether they are front or rear. They are just too unnecessarily bright, which seems to have caused the leapfrogging war we complain about from time to time (like now). Some headlamps are painful enough in daylight, never mind after dark.

If GB can complain about them when seated a foot or two higher than most car drivers, they must be pretty bad.

One evening in the 80s returning down the M6, very few trucks on the road evening time then on B'ham elevated section, it was dark and clear and had been raining you could see for miles, probably half the cars on the road had their rear fogs on (*presumably showing their car had them whilst the pleb class didn't*) but because i was in the truck instead of seeing one or two sets of super bright rear lights it was hundreds of the damned things far as the eye could see, and refections in the wet surface doubled the glare.

Far from making cars more visible had anyone braked you'd barely notice the brighter than usual lights.

** nothing's changed, half the cars on the road never used indicators until they found scrolling indicators on their latest toy, then all of a sudden everyone was using indiactors like billio on the motorways, pity no one can work out how to use them on roundabouts..

foggiest idea - movilogo

Fog lights are now as good as Xmas decorative lights.

Front fog lamps rarely dazzle me. Sometime rear fogs dazzle but depends on where it is placed. If it is in the bumber of car in front it does not dazzle that much but if it is part of rear lamp cluster then depending on model of car, may dazzle.

Fog lamps are now used as rain lamps. I don't think rear fog lamps should be mandatory. They cause more harm than good.

foggiest idea - martin.mc

New Clio doesn't have front fog lights. However the 'automatic' lighting system turns on the headlights if the sun goes behind a cloud. Doesn't sense fog though. I thought UK vehicles were only supposed to have one rear fog lamp, driver's side. I was behind a new SUV (Skoda I think) that had a pair in the rear light clusters. The old idea of a rear fog lamp at bumper level was much better.

Edited by martin.mc on 30/12/2024 at 07:40

foggiest idea - gordonbennet

New Clio doesn't have front fog lights. However the 'automatic' lighting system turns on the headlights if the sun goes behind a cloud. Doesn't sense fog though. I thought UK vehicles were only supposed to have one rear fog lamp, driver's side. I was behind a new SUV (Skoda I think) that had a pair in the rear light clusters. The old idea of a rear fog lamp at bumper level was much better.

Indeed, just as front indicators a decent distance from the headlights was better too.

foggiest idea - paul 1963

My new shape Swift doesn't have front fogs either, must admit it took me a week to notice, it does however have auto led headlamps with high beam assist that reacts quicker to oncoming traffic than I could, a really useful feature imho.

foggiest idea - RT

New Clio doesn't have front fog lights. However the 'automatic' lighting system turns on the headlights if the sun goes behind a cloud. Doesn't sense fog though. I thought UK vehicles were only supposed to have one rear fog lamp, driver's side. I was behind a new SUV (Skoda I think) that had a pair in the rear light clusters. The old idea of a rear fog lamp at bumper level was much better.

High intensity rear fog lamps have always allowed either two symetrical lamps or one on the offside

foggiest idea - badbusdriver

I thought UK vehicles were only supposed to have one rear fog lamp, driver's side.

They are required to have at least one but they can have two.

Manufacturers save costs by having a single foglight on one side and a single reversing light on the other side at the same position on the rear light clusters.

foggiest idea - 72 dudes

High intensity rear fog lamps have always allowed either two symetrical lamps or one on the offside

My new Mazda MX30 has one rear fog light but it's below the bumper and slap bang in the middle.

So either that rule has been relaxed or all Mazda MX30s are illegal?

foggiest idea - RT

High intensity rear fog lamps have always allowed either two symetrical lamps or one on the offside

My new Mazda MX30 has one rear fog light but it's below the bumper and slap bang in the middle.

So either that rule has been relaxed or all Mazda MX30s are illegal?

Central is permitted - my bad for not being precise.

foggiest idea - corax

I've never needed to use mine for decades, it's very rare that visibility drops low enough these days.

We've gone from two to one on most new cars now anyway.

Do we really need them these days?

I agree that fog lights are misused, but imagine if they were deleted from cars. Then you have a real pea souper one night on the motorway, and there is a multiple car pile up. Imagine the health and safety brigade and the subject of foglights deleted from cars. Especially considering all the active safety systems that cars are being festooned with these days, it would be a bit contradictory to remove them.

We might get less occurences of thick fog, but you can never predict the British weather.

LED's that are too bright are worse in my opinion.

Edited by corax on 30/12/2024 at 11:43

foggiest idea - davecooper

Proper front fogs should be mounted low down, yellow in colour, have a specially shaped beam with the nearside beam being aimed toward the kerb. I haven't seen anything like this for decades.

foggiest idea - RT

Proper front fogs should be mounted low down, yellow in colour, have a specially shaped beam with the nearside beam being aimed toward the kerb. I haven't seen anything like this for decades.

Yellow or white is a personal choice - my 2017 VW Touareg has front fog lights which otherwise fit your definition.

foggiest idea - gordonbennet

Yellow or white is a personal choice - my 2017 VW Touareg has front fog lights which otherwise fit your definition.

Yes, Forester 08 and Landcruiser 05 are exactly as you describe, could easily qualify as DRLs.

foggiest idea - davecooper

I think that yellow light has better penetration and less bounce back in fog due the wavelength of yellow light. However, now that many cars have all the lights in a single unit, this is possibly harder to achieve.

foggiest idea - badbusdriver

Yellow or white is a personal choice - my 2017 VW Touareg has front fog lights which otherwise fit your definition.

Don't see how it is a personal choice unless the original owner could choose between yellow or white fogs when new?

I did once own a Renault 11 which had yellow front fog lights, but I don't recall any other car I've owned or driven having yellow ones.

foggiest idea - gordonbennet

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