Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Eddie Bauer

Hello and welcome,

Would you guys buy a face-lifted Kuga with your own money?

Can one depend on it?

Or maybe something really reliable - Toyota RAV4 perhaps?

I'm talking hybrids here, for about 7-8 years of my private motoring.

The car will be then passed on to my son, for the next 3-4 years.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - badbusdriver

Would you guys buy a face-lifted Kuga with your own money?

If looking for 10-12 years worth of reliable service, no.

Can one depend on it?

I would expect a RAV4 to be reliable over 10-12 years. I wouldn't expect the same of a Kuga, but one can never say never.

Edited by badbusdriver on 14/12/2024 at 20:31

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Falkirk Bairn

Ford 1 year full warranty, free 2 year add-on warranty

Toyota - 3 years warranty + 7 years "major components+" warranty assuming car is serviced at a Toyota Franchise on time or mileage

Says it all!

After Market Insurance based warranty is

Expensive

Often strict limits on total claim

Cover full of holes

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - SLO76
I’d consider the 2.0 PSA diesels with a manual box but wouldn’t touch the hybrid or a Powershift auto. If you want a hybrid SUV then buy a RAV4, it’s by far the safest option. Toyota hybrids adorn most taxi ranks across the UK for good reason, they are well proven and capable of big miles without serious failure. You almost certainly won’t find a Ford hybrid on your local taxi ranks however, no one trusts the things.
Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Adampr

Drive them both and buy the one you prefer. No point driving something you hate just out of fear.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - edlithgow

Drive them both and buy the one you prefer. No point driving something you hate just out of fear.

I think people tend to hate the things they fear.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Eddie Bauer

It's not that I fear Kuga, oh no. It's a facelift, so what could possibly go wrong?

And yes, I've driven both of them and I reckon they're both OK.

However, RAV4 lacks much needed Matrix LEDs (simply unobtainable) and few other things.

They've both started in 2019, but Kuga seems to be just more modern car.

On the other hand, I want something REALLY reliable.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Heidfirst

However, RAV4 lacks much needed Matrix LEDs (simply unobtainable) and few other things.

They've both started in 2019, but Kuga seems to be just more modern car.

On the other hand, I want something REALLY reliable.

Seems odd especially as my Corolla Excel has matrix but apparently true. I imagine that the next RAV4 (2026?) will offer. However, whilst matrix LEDs are very good I wouldn't class them as "much needed" especially as the RAV has dual projector LEDs.

Go to the taxi ranks in New York city & you will see an awful lot of RAV4s, in the US the Kuga is the Escape www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlip8zO10I

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - RT

Matrix LEDs are great - until it gets broken by a stone or a parking ding, when you could be looking at £1,000 or more for replacement.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - edlithgow

They've both started in 2019, but Kuga seems to be just more modern car.

You say that like its a good thing?

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - VengaPete

RAV4 for relaibility but check you can get an acceptable price for insurance on it, if it is a 2016 to 2022 hybrid.
They have a problem at present with CAN bus injection theft.
It's a huge thread on the RAV4 forums both UK and worldwide.
I won't describe the method here but for someone who knows what they are doing it is literally "gone in 60 seconds" (normally less).
Many owners are reverting to a mechanical theft device (Stoplock etc) but even then, some determined theives are coming tooled with a disc cutter as well as the injection device.

Toyota are suppying some updates to help but, reports are still coming in of theft despite cars having the update.

2023 onwards are supposed to be OK and 2016 and earlier (ie: before Hybrid) don't have the CAN bus weakness introduced by the first gen Hybrids.

We were all set to get a 2014 this year but quite surprisingly we didn't fit comfortably as the steering wheel is too close to the driver seat for us (height between bottom of wheel and driver seat front) which makes it a real squeeze to get in. ANd yes, we did try teh wheel in different positions.
Shame as the one we tried was really a pleasant drive, but the "squishing" needed to get in would have become tiresome and was a deal breaker.
Haven't tried a more recent one for that problem but the CAN bus issues put me off anyway.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - KB.

We were all set to get a 2014 this year but quite surprisingly we didn't fit comfortably as the steering wheel is too close to the driver seat for us (height between bottom of wheel and driver seat front) which makes it a real squeeze to get in. ANd yes, we did try teh wheel in different positions.
Shame as the one we tried was really a pleasant drive, but the "squishing" needed to get in would have become tiresome and was a deal breaker.

Thats the first time I've seen that observation made.

In the Yaris Cross I sat in at the showroom I found the same thing.

It would have been OK if I hadn't raised the drivers seat up to the maximum (which is where I would want it). It stopped me looking further into the car as new purchase.

I didn't like the flimsy boot cover either, but that's neither here nor there.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Eddie Bauer

2014...?

You mean 2024 right ?

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - VengaPete

No, I mean a Gen4 of 2014 vintage.
We only do 3000 miles a year and having a brand new car on the driveway doesn't make any sense to us. We don't have any badge / keeping up with the neighbours type wishes.
Hence why our current car is a Kia Venga 1.6 petrol auto from 2012 which is neither "trendy" or newish .
I have no issue with new cars / people who want a specific brand etc, but for us, we just need a car that stops / goes / fits in what we need to carry around and is reliable.

We did consider a Gen4.5 (after the face lift in 2017, Gen5 was 2019) but once we found that the hybrids have the CAN bus issue, we just looked at pre-Hybrids.

We only looked at a RAV4 as the boot on the Venga is now a bit too small lengthways, but after finding the steering wheel squishing problem we have crossed it off our list. We are still considering some other vehicles suggested on another thread I started that might be suitable.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Lee Power

Toyota are suppying some updates to help but, reports are still coming in of theft despite cars having the update.

Toyota allegedly still working on a final fix for the issue.

The FOC protection plates have already been defeated with reports of RAV4 & Lexus RX still being stolen with them fitted.

The FOC Tracker currently being rolled out ( even if the owner doesn't ask for it ) isn't much use either as it doesn't stop the vehicle being stolen.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Eddie Bauer

"Toyota allegedly still working on a final fix for the issue."

Nah, that's BS...

I don't think they are working on it at all, with the brand new RAV4 next year just around the corner.

Ford Kuga Toyota RAV4 - Kuga or RAV4 - Lee Power

"Toyota allegedly still working on a final fix for the issue."

Nah, that's BS...

I don't think they are working on it at all, with the brand new RAV4 next year just around the corner.

Multiple Toyota / Lexus products have the same theft vulnerability, its not just a RAV4 issue.