Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - martin.mc

There are many YouTube videos showing normal cars fitted with winter tyres out performing 4x4s (fitted with summer tyres) in the ice and snow. My wife is a care worker and needs to get to work in any sort of weather. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of changing tyres/wheels twice a year so wondered if 'All Season' tyres are better than normal ones when snow is on the ground. Do any members use them and which ones are the best? Present car is a Renault Clio E tech. Quite good in the snow but could be better.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - RT

There are many YouTube videos showing normal cars fitted with winter tyres out performing 4x4s (fitted with summer tyres) in the ice and snow. My wife is a care worker and needs to get to work in any sort of weather. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of changing tyres/wheels twice a year so wondered if 'All Season' tyres are better than normal ones when snow is on the ground. Do any members use them and which ones are the best? Present car is a Renault Clio E tech. Quite good in the snow but could be better.

I have a 4wd VW Touareg - at replacement time I fitted Vredestein Quatrac Pro Plus - not as good in snow as a full winter tyre but exellent in the cold wet conditions we get a lot of in the UK

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Big John

Due to a previous horrible commute I had two sets of wheels either with summer or winter tyres. I did that for many years (er decades) on two Skoda Superbs but latterly all season tyres have really improved so a few years ago I started using just all season rubber. Initially Vredestein Quatrac 5 tyres then I've had a couple of sets of Michelin Crossclimate tyres and Mrs BJ now has some Goodyear Vector gen2 tyres on her Panda.

The Crossclimate tyres have thus far been my favorite having endured bad winter and south of France summer weather well. Always felt surefooted on hot/cold/icy and occasionally snowy roads tested driving up a steep exposed hill as part of my commute. However my favorite things have been they were much quieter than the Continental summer tyres that preceded them and performance in horrendous rain inc rivers running over the road has been outstanding. With a big Superb on 205/55 R16 tyres they have lasted circa 35k miles as well.

The Quatrac 5 tyres were good in wintry and summer conditions but I found them a little lacking in very wet weather. The latest Quatrac tyre is supposed to be much improved though so might still be a future contender. Wear life was outstanding.

The Vector gen 2 tyres so far seem good but I can't comment re life as the Panda is a very low annual mileage car. Handling seems good in all conditions including a very wintry trip over the North Yorkshire Moors. My only criticism is they a seem prone to a bit of wheel spin if setting off sharpish from a junction - it's only a 1.2 8v NA Panda!! I think the gen 4 is available now though.

Myself I'm now stuck with Bridgestone summer tyres as I've recently bought a new car. I'll replace with all season tyres when the time comes as I'm no longer doing the horrible commute. If really wintry now I'll just borrow the Panda!

Other brands are available!

Edited by Big John on 26/11/2024 at 22:27

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - daveyjp

For typical weather in most of the UK they are ideal. I fitted Toyo Celsius to our Yaris when the original tyres needed changing. Great in the snow last weekend and on the type of surfaces we get at this time of year - damp, cold, leaf cover - no scrabbling when pulling away.

I have also owned Subarus with OEM Yokohama Geolander all season tyres and Subarus with OEM summer tyres - Dunlop and Bridgestone. Summer tyres were useless in snow so its now all season every time new rubber is needed.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Adampr

They are worth it, yes. I have been through quite an extensive search through the options over the last couple of weeks but have opted for standard 'summer' tyres as it rarely snows here in the south west and I will simply work from home if it does.

Michelin Cross Climate, Vredestein Quatrac, Goodyear Vector and Falken AS210 all seem highly rated for different reasons. The Michelins seem best rated for snow. The Continental all seasons review very well, but I've never got on with their tyres for some reason.

Edited by Adampr on 26/11/2024 at 23:46

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - madf

Have run Michelin Cross Climate tyres on my Honda Jazz for 30k miles - 4mm tread left - should be good for 45k miles.

Great in mud, slush and loose snow - far better than 4x4s on normal tyres on single track roads I use when beekeeping, I am the one who pulls onto muddy verges to allow them to pass when they when they will not or cannot.

No use on ice but what tyre is unless studded?

Noisy on some circumstances especially ridged concrete roads. MPG unchanged maybe 0.5mpg worse overall.

Would buy again.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Terry W

I have fitted all season tyres as standard for well over a decade.

In tests they consistently perform better than summer tyres in poor weather conditions. They are less good in snow that full winter tyres but do not need to be changed for a second set when the weather warms.

If conditions are that bad that only full winter tyres will do - stay at home. There is almost no job or task that justifies the materially increased risk of accident of injury.

The only exception may be if you live in a part of the country where snow and ice are a frequent feature - eg: 1000ft up a track on the moors.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - movilogo

They are good. I currently have Bridgestone Turanza 6 all season fitted.

My previous experience with all season tyres is that they wear out slightly sooner than summer tyres but overall better in slush and winter.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - London calling

I had Michelin cross climates on a Lexus NX all was good for 3 years (22,000 miles) but then noticed the side walls were cracking and this was the failure for the MOT.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Engineer Andy

There are many YouTube videos showing normal cars fitted with winter tyres out performing 4x4s (fitted with summer tyres) in the ice and snow. My wife is a care worker and needs to get to work in any sort of weather. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of changing tyres/wheels twice a year so wondered if 'All Season' tyres are better than normal ones when snow is on the ground. Do any members use them and which ones are the best? Present car is a Renault Clio E tech. Quite good in the snow but could be better.

What part of the UK do you live in? Some all-season tyres are more suited to the South where we get less snow and cold/icy conditions, some more 'winter-biased', more suitable for more northern climes (though avoiding rural / isolated areas), some 'in the middle'.

If you live in / wife drives in a rural area a lot, then I would recommend upgrading to the next level up, i.e. not just by geographic region, mainly because rural roads are less likely to be salted or cleared / kept relatively ice/snow free by snow ploughs or other vehicles using the roads.

Many all-season tyres also have the 'M+S' (mud and snow) designation, which helps even outside of snowy/icy condition on rural muddy roads, though not as well as proper off-road tyres.

I would always avoid budget makes, leaving the mid-range and premium brands, which should give sufficient choice. A good idea to use the Tyre Reviews website to aid you:

www.tyrereviews.co.uk/

My 2005MY Mazda3 1.6 petrol has had Michelin CrossClimate+ tyres fitted since 2018. They've worked well across all different weather, though I've only had to use them once in the snow (I live in East Anglia).

These tyres are more 'summer' biased, so give better performance outside of winter than tyres like the Goodyear or (I think) Continental A/S tyres, which are of the 'in the middle' type, but aren't quite as good in the snow, but still far superior to summer tyres in snow.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Heidfirst

There are many YouTube videos showing normal cars fitted with winter tyres out performing 4x4s (fitted with summer tyres) in the ice and snow. My wife is a care worker and needs to get to work in any sort of weather. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of changing tyres/wheels twice a year so wondered if 'All Season' tyres are better than normal ones when snow is on the ground. Do any members use them and which ones are the best? Present car is a Renault Clio E tech. Quite good in the snow but could be better.

What part of the UK do you live in? Some all-season tyres are more suited to the South where we get less snow and cold/icy conditions, some more 'winter-biased', more suitable for more northern climes (though avoiding rural / isolated areas), some 'in the middle'.

This, even with the range of the North of Scotland to the South of England the best tyre is probably going to vary.

Here in Glasgow, we are definitely going to get sub-zero over Winter but highly unlikely to hit 30C in summer & we are going to get wet for much of the year ... Having previously done the annual switch from full winters >summers & then back last time I went onto Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen 3 which seemed very good. However, I have also recently changed cars so now awaiting the opportunity to switch it to all seasons after I have had some wear out of the new tyres.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Archie35

Here is the latest tyrereviews test of all season tyres.

www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Best-All-Season-Tyres-...m

As you can see, and as mentioned already, there is a difference between those more oriented towards snow, or towards wet/cold roads. There's a tool where you can insert your priorities and it'll show what it thinks is the best option for you.

I've been a long term believer in all season tyres, and have had several different brands over the past decade or so. I needed to buy a new set about a month ago, and would have gone for the top rated tyre in the above test (Pirelli Cinturato All Season SF3), but unfortunately Pirelli don't make that tyre in the size I needed - so went for one of the 2= choices, the Bridgestone Turanza All Season 6. I live in the SW, in a very rural area, and we also don't get much snow (though did last week). This Bridgestone tyre is summarised in the review as "The Bridgestone Turanza All Season 6 is the tyre you'd fit of the second places if you live in a mild climate, it was the best in the dry, a whisker off the best in the wet " - which seemed to fit my circumstances. I was slightly disappointed by its performanc in the snow last week, which is what the review had warned, but we don't get snow often.

There is no doubt whatsoever that "'All Season' tyres are better than normal ones when snow is on the ground" - and there are plenty of tests to show that they are also better than normal ones on typically British wet, cold winter roads.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - John F

Here is the latest tyrereviews test of all season tyres.

www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Best-All-Season-Tyres-...m

.... I needed to buy a new set about a month ago, and would have gone for the top rated tyre in the above test (Pirelli Cinturato All Season SF3), but unfortunately Pirelli don't make that tyre in the size I needed - so went for one of the 2= choices.....

V interesting - as Mrs F's Peugeot 2008 will need new tyres in a year or two. Unfortunately, her Goodyear Vectors don't feature, so I found a comparison test where they do. Again, the Pirelli Cinturato does well (but I noticed it only has 6.9mm tread!), but the Goodyears come out top in this one.

www.oponeo.co.uk/blog/adac-all-season-tyres-test?s...G

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - daveyjp

I had all four summer tyres replaced with Yokohama all seasons yesterday and even though I've only driven a couple of miles the handling of the car has been transformed.

Due to the mix of type and age of tyres that were on the car - some were original and 5 years old, the others younger and different brands thanks to punctures - it was becoming very camber sensitive and would tramline at urban traffic speeds, no issue at higher speeds.

Those issues have gone and I know I now have four decent patches of rubber to get me through the winter.

Bought through Blackcircles and used a local In and Out centre. Despite passing hundreds of times never used them before and service was the best I've had from a Blackcircles provider.

Friendly staff, very clean workshop, warm waiting room, free wifi, free drinks, my tyres neatly stacked with my order paperwork, checked before fitting, kept up to date on progress, apologised for the delay (it took no longer than I expected), wheels cleaned, new tyre red dot marking lined up with valve and all pressures correct.

Edited by daveyjp on 30/11/2024 at 10:07

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Brit_in_Germany

Here is the original ADAC report.

www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/ausstattung-technik-.../

Clicking on each tyre gives the details if the measured values, so if braking in the wet is more important to you than snow traction or braking, you can choose a tyre to meet your requirements.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - martin.mc

Thank you all for the replies and comments. Car was new in March so no rubber needed yet. I would agree that it is best to stay at home if weather conditions are really bad. Here in County Durham the main roads are usually well gritted if snow is forecast, but the short stretch of unadopted road leading to our house can be tricky. I worked as a service engineer in the 80s and the best car I ever had for getting about in the snow was a Mk1 Fiesta. Never got stuck once, even in the bad winter of 1981.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Heidfirst

the best car I ever had for getting about in the snow was a Mk1 Fiesta. Never got stuck once, even in the bad winter of 1981.

light fwd no doubt with relatively narrow & high profile tyres which is what you want in snow rather than wide low profiles.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Xileno

We had a 205 diesel when they were new. That was great in the snow. Heavy diesel engine over the front driven wheels, sensible tyres, manual gears.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Engineer Andy

the best car I ever had for getting about in the snow was a Mk1 Fiesta. Never got stuck once, even in the bad winter of 1981.

light fwd no doubt with relatively narrow & high profile tyres which is what you want in snow rather than wide low profiles.

Indeed - that's why my mid-90s Micra coped very well in snowy conditions despite being shod on summer tyres. Most trim levels of that model were shod on 155/70 R13 tyres; mine (the1L 'S' model - not sporty though!) was shod on 175/60 R13 tyres (roughly the same sidewall height - 108.5 vs 105mm), but most importantly, the car only weighed around 775kg.

I recall during the 'white-out' sudden heavy blizzard of Jan 2003 (I think) where it did very well, unlike a Beemer (powerful, RWD, fat low profile tyres) that tried going up a local hill on the way home from work and amusingly* came acropper about a quarter of the way up, rolling back down and bouncing off the kerbs as they went.

* the rest of us were awaiting a lorry that had got stuck half way up the main road to get going, and watched and laughed as it happened (no safety issue as it was a good way away from the main road and with a reasonable level section at the bottom of the hill).

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Big John

and the best car I ever had for getting about in the snow was a Mk1 Fiesta. Never got stuck once, even in the bad winter of 1981.

Similarly Mrs BJ had a 1984 Polo that was fabulous in snow with lowish power, fwd, skinny tall profile tyres , no power steering and no servo on the brakes. I remember driving it in very heavy snow approaching a Range Rover up a rather steep hill that was spinning 4 wheels and not going anywhere. As I was still moving ok I carefully signaled and gently overtook making it up the hill with relative ease - I suspect there was an embarrassed face further down the hill.

I think a 2cv might be an even better car in the white stuff.

Edited by Big John on 02/12/2024 at 22:02

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - madf

and the best car I ever had for getting about in the snow was a Mk1 Fiesta. Never got stuck once, even in the bad winter of 1981.

Similarly Mrs BJ had a 1984 Polo that was fabulous in snow with lowish power, fwd, skinny tall profile tyres , no power steering and no servo on the brakes. I remember driving it in very heavy snow approaching a Range Rover up a rather steep hill that was spinning 4 wheels and not going anywhere. As I was still moving ok I carefully signaled and gently overtook making it up the hill with relative ease - I suspect there was an embarrassed face further down the hill.

I think a 2cv might be an even better car in the white stuff.

When a student, I had a 1953? Austin A30. 800cc engine and narrow tyres with winter tyres on heh rear. Living in NE Scotland in the 1960s we had occasions when drifts> 1 meter high were common.

The narrow wheels and lack of power meant I was never stuck..(I of course only drove on ploughed roads...Ateempting drifts was stupid)

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Smileyman

After the winter of 2010 I used to swap tyres summer / winter but with the current crop of excellent all season tyres I now run these ... got over 50k miles on the CrossClimate tyre but now run the Continental variant. Truthfully never noticed any issues / problems or worrisome moments. In fact, the tyres on my wife's car needed replacing so I have put a set of the Conti on this too. We took the car to London on Sunday, very wet & windy but all was fine, smooth and safe. Black Friday offers helped with the cost, always buy in advance online for the best prices. Too early to discuss wear - if conditions are tough with snow I would still prefer to stay at home to mitigate risks from summer tyred cars.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Nsar1

In my experience, all-season are no better than normal. We live up a fairly steep hill and then half a mile off the road at about 700 foot above sea level in the Pennines and I would never put all weather tyres on, only winter tyres.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Manatee

I won't argue with your past.experience, but all season tyres from good manufacturers are much better than they used to be and massively better than better than summer tyres when it's wet and cold, and even more so in snow when they are much closer to winter tyres than the summer ones. The Michelin Cross Climates have really shaken up this segment.

That said if you need to deal with snow, as opposed to being able to stay at home, and you are likely to get it for more than a day or so each year, separate sets of summer and winter tyres are the answer. I can understand that half a mile of untreated road twice a day could well put you in that category.

Prior to moving to Herts 30+ years ago, I lived at Outlane. Snow was not unusual but most people seemed to manage. I think it probably helped that cars were less powerful then and frankly drivers were a bit more resilient/realistic. I had mostly rear-drive cars that benefitted from a hundredweight or so of bagged sand in the boot.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Adampr

Above about 7 degrees, a summer tyre will outperform an all season in the wet. They do, however, lose grip when it's colder and are hopeless with snow and ice

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - RT

Above about 7 degrees, a summer tyre will outperform an all season in the wet. They do, however, lose grip when it's colder and are hopeless with snow and ice

Not necessarily - it depends on the tread design - many all-season tyres have plentiful sipes to clear water - most summer tyres don't.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Manatee

Above about 7 degrees, a summer tyre will outperform an all season in the wet. They do, however, lose grip when it's colder and are hopeless with snow and ice

I think tyrereviews.co did some testing that showed that. When I said all seasons were better than summer tyres in the wet and cold, I meant wet *and* cold not wet or cold.

Despite their temperature limitations, summer tyres can still win out on a fully dry cold road.

The best solution is always the best compromise.

Edited by Manatee on 19/12/2024 at 17:56

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good - daveyjp

After 6 inches of snow last night I can report all season tyres are worthwhile. No issues whatsoever getting anywhere, or stopping. including back into my drive in reverse which is off a private cul de sac which had seen no traffic and is also on an uphill gradient.

I also watched someone in an XC90 without all season tyres happily spinning all four wheels on a street opposite. He had to reverse and abandon his plan to use a side street to get to his destination.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good - madf

"I also watched someone in an XC90 without all season tyres happily spinning all four wheels on a street opposite. He had to reverse and abandon his plan to use a side street to get to his destination."

Clearly an incompetent using too many revs..I have seen 4wd cars with summer tyres negotiate snow slowly..but

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Big John

Above about 7 degrees, a summer tyre will outperform an all season in the wet. They do, however, lose grip when it's colder and are hopeless with snow and ice

On my previous 2014 Superb S I personally found the Michelin Crossclimate tyres superior to previously fitted summer tyres re wet weather, even in the summer, self tested regularly on my long commute in the wilds of Yorkshire that frequently experienced very wet weather including diagonal rivers of rain crossing a main road on a steep hill. Always felt sure footed.

RE snow and ice - I did fit Continental ts850's winter tyres in the cold months for a few years which were fabulous, the Crossclimate was a slight step backwards in the (rare)snow but way way better than any summer tyres I previously had fitted.

PS Just out of interest one year I was still running the TS850's during an early warm snap when I was involved in a near miss on the A1 that involved me doing a full on near 70mph to zero emergency stop - despite it being 15+ deg the winter tyres performed amazingly well.

Edited by Big John on 06/01/2025 at 22:33

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Sulphur Man

Yes, they really are.

Much like other posts on this discussion, after many years of swapping from summer to winter, with two sets of wheels for both cars, we moved to CrossClimates in around 2015 and never looked back.

That said, I've recently bought an nice old hack in good condition, (a 2002 V70 2.4 petrol with just over 100K - a "D-Spec" car) which needed new boots all round due to age cracking. I went with Hankook 4S2 H750, their CrossClimate competitor. They did a splendid job in the flash ice and slush this past weekend. Rock solid on a long FWD car. Nice ride too.

Modern AS tyres are superior below 6C and in seriously wet weather - which is only getting more frequent in this country. They're also more resilient to the risible conditions of our road surfaces. The downsides are a negligible hit to economy, a tad more road noise and the increased purchase cost, which isn't that much and, as ever, shop around.

Unless I ever own an out and out sports car, I will always fit All Seasons.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - movilogo

negligible hit to economy, a tad more road noise and the increased purchase cost, which isn't that much and, as ever, shop around

I found only negative that they wear out faster than summer tyres. But my last OEM summer tyres came with 5.9 mm tread instead of 8 mm so that's probably not a big issue either.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Big John

I found only negative that they wear out faster than summer tyres. But my last OEM summer tyres came with 5.9 mm tread instead of 8 mm so that's probably not a big issue either.

With my Superb mkII on 205/55 r16 Michelin Crossclimates they typically lasted about 35k miles which is about the same as its original Continental summer tyres. Crossclimates come with 7mm new.

I kept a close eye on tyre life/cost due to my previous highish annual mileage because of a long commute . If I'd had a car with very low profile tyres that cost nearly £1k a set which only lasted 12k miles(my friends car typical tyre life!) that would have been bad news at nearly two very expensive sets a year!

Edited by Big John on 07/01/2025 at 18:26

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Brit_in_Germany

The longevity varies substantially between brands. According to the ADAC, the Michelins have an estimated life of 44,000 km, whereas the Goodyears are over 60,000.

Any - Are 'All Season' tyres any good? - Big John

whereas the Goodyears are over 60,000.

Is that the Goodyear Vector? Mrs BJ has a set of Vector gen 2 tyres on her Panda - we shall see, in a long while!

On my even earlier Superb mkI (and heavier) I finished my ownership with a set for Vred Quatrac 5 AS tyres which were ok ish but not great in lots of water, they also made a funny noise (not intrusive , but there). They lasted for ages though with the new owner taking them over 60k miles. The latest version (just "Quatrac") seems to be getting pretty good reviews and has a very different tread pattern to the Quatrac 5.

I will replace the Bridgestone summer tyres fitted to my new Swace when they wear out with all season rubber - yet to be decided. As I've now retired that may take a while! In the meantime when we get snowy/icy weather I'll squeeze into Mrs BJs Panda - Think image of Mr Incredible's car.

Any comments re road noise ? The swap to Crossclimate tyres on my previous car rather improved road noise compared to the Continental summer tyres. I'm finding a bad bit of the generally refined Swace (Corolla in drag) is some road noise at speed- I suspect the original fit Bridgestone tyres are a bit noisy and eventually as well as all season I want to pick a quieter tyre. (3db = half the noise tyre/road but not necessarily half the noise inside the car)

Edited by Big John on 07/01/2025 at 21:08