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Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - CheerfulChuck

Hi all, I was just about to book in for 4 Michelin cross climate 2 tyres, since my current are rather terrible slippy budget summer tyres. However the CrossClimate2 in my size (195/65/R15) are speed rated H, unless I go for the reinforced ones which are V (91V specified on drivers door sticker) Reinforced seems a bit overkill for the Mazda 3, no? Would it affect normal handling/braking negatively? (Largely town driving, some m'way and some muddy lanes) Any thoughts appreciated, thank you!

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - paul 1963

Shouldn't effect the handling however not sure your insurance company would be happy.

I may be wrong but I would ask them first..

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - badbusdriver

H is 130mph, V is 149mph.

Which exact model of Mazda 3 is it?. Regardless, I'd agree with Paul that you'd better speak to your insurer first. But my gut feeling is that they'd be happier with a higher weight rating but the correct speed rating than the correct weight rating and a lower speed rating.

Out of curiosity, what is the load rating on the reinforced tyre?. I ask because another current thread re a Vitara shows the factory tyre weight rating is 94 and I'd assume that to be lighter than your Mazda 3.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - gordonbennet

You can upspec in speed and load rating without issue, its going below spec that is dodgy.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - CheerfulChuck

It's a 3 TS. Just trying to decipher the manual, it has a section for winter tyres, it has 3 columns,

195/65R15 *1 m+s

205/55R16 *1 m+s

205/50R17 *2 m+s

*1 load index and speed symbol 91Q/91T/91H/91V

*2 load index and speed symbol 89q/89T/89H/89V/89W

Does this mean I could actually use any of those sizes with any of their corresponding selection of load index/speed ratings? I'm assuming winter is referring to the same thing as all season as it has the m+s after it but I may be entirely wrong.

The load rating on the reinforced tyre is 95.

Never realised using a reinforced tyre might be an issue with the insurance. Any idea why? More complications! Many thanksl

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Adampr

I would take that as meaning that, for your tyre size (195/65R15) you must fit minimum load index 91 and Q, T, H or V speed rating.

I don't think anyone was saying a reinforced tyre would concern your insurance, rather that a speed rating outside spec might.

If my understanding of the situation is correct, though, H would be in spec so no problem.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - RT

It's a 3 TS. Just trying to decipher the manual, it has a section for winter tyres, it has 3 columns,

195/65R15 *1 m+s

205/55R16 *1 m+s

205/50R17 *2 m+s

*1 load index and speed symbol 91Q/91T/91H/91V

*2 load index and speed symbol 89q/89T/89H/89V/89W

Does this mean I could actually use any of those sizes with any of their corresponding selection of load index/speed ratings? I'm assuming winter is referring to the same thing as all season as it has the m+s after it but I may be entirely wrong.

The load rating on the reinforced tyre is 95.

Never realised using a reinforced tyre might be an issue with the insurance. Any idea why? More complications! Many thanksl

Tyres need the 3PMSF (three peaks and snowflake) to qualify as winter tyres - the M+S marking is a marketing thing and has no minimum standard.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Engineer Andy

It's a 3 TS. Just trying to decipher the manual, it has a section for winter tyres, it has 3 columns,

195/65R15 *1 m+s

205/55R16 *1 m+s

205/50R17 *2 m+s

*1 load index and speed symbol 91Q/91T/91H/91V

*2 load index and speed symbol 89q/89T/89H/89V/89W

Does this mean I could actually use any of those sizes with any of their corresponding selection of load index/speed ratings? I'm assuming winter is referring to the same thing as all season as it has the m+s after it but I may be entirely wrong.

The load rating on the reinforced tyre is 95.

Never realised using a reinforced tyre might be an issue with the insurance. Any idea why? More complications! Many thanksl

If your car is a 1st gen like mine or perhaps second gen (still used the TS trim level), then its likely that it should accept (for the 1.6 petrol model and likely the 1.6 diesel too, unlike a TS was using the 2L engines) an H rated 195/65 R15 tyre.

My 1.6 petrol TS2 was originally shod on 205/55R16Vs, but the handlbook says it can take the H rated 15in tyres you spoke of.

As my OEM alloys were getting corroded back in 2018, with one causing the tyre to leak, I changed all four alloys to their 15in equivalents and changed the 16in tyres (which were ok on tread depth but near [then] the max 6 years age limit) to 195/65 R15H.

I actually changed to the CC2's immediate predecessor, the CC+, and have found them to be excellent, so you shouldn't have any worries on that score. A shame you'll have to pay far more than I did (about £55 per tyre plus fitting cost) due to inflation. The H rated tyre is still about £5 cheaper than the V rated one, and as you say, isn't a reinforced tyre, and is fine on comfort.noise.

As they are Michelins, they should now last 10 years all other things being equal (i.e. for low mileage drivers like myself), as in no physical damage from driving or cracking from extremes of weather and UV damage. Mine have done 6 years / 12,000 miles and are still at about 5.5mm - 6mm tread depth all around (I rotate them to keep wear reasonably even) from a 7mm starting point.

As long as your handbook says it can take a size and speed / load rating, then you can use them, but you will need to tell your insurer of the change, including the speed rating. Mine was fine about it, and I actually got a discount, though I don't know if it was specifically because I'd 'downsized' from 205/55 R16V to 195/65 R15H. Nicer ride quality though - more air to cushion (and protect) the suspension.

I could not tell any difference (size or going from summer tyres [which were fine] to A/S) in handling abilities of the car, perhaps because the tyres were 6 years' newer design than the old lot, which were good quality Dunlops. The original-fitted (OEM) Bridgestone ER30s were terrible after about a year or so - poor on noise and in wet weather, though very good on life (I got around 40,000 miles out of them, still with 3-4mm tread left).

Best of luck.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Andrew-T

Never realised using a reinforced tyre might be an issue with the insurance. Any idea why? More complications!

It probably isn't. But you don't want to find out by not checking and then being unlucky.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - CheerfulChuck

Really appreciate all the info thanks so much, that's really helpful.

In the handbook it only mentions standard tyres and winter tyres - where do 3pmsf all seasons fall in that? There seems to be much more choice with winter tyres as the standard tyres can only be V or W speed rated.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Ethan Edwards

Interesting. So let's say your version of the car has a maximum speed of 115mph. But the manufacturer makes another version that does 138mph. But for ease of manufacture and cost reasons puts the same rating on all versions say up to 149mph (v rated)? Which is far in excess of your requirements.

Since my car won't go over 115mph flat as noted in the owners handbook. What's to stop me fitting tyres say h rated 130mph? and saving a few quid.

Will be mot compliant and well within the speed rating. Assuming all other factors size, load rating etc are the same.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 22/11/2024 at 20:11

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Engineer Andy

Interesting. So let's say your version of the car has a maximum speed of 115mph. But the manufacturer makes another version that does 138mph. But for ease of manufacture and cost reasons puts the same rating on all versions say up to 149mph (v rated)? Which is far in excess of your requirements.

Since my car won't go over 115mph flat as noted in the owners handbook. What's to stop me fitting tyres say h rated 130mph? and saving a few quid.

Will be mot compliant and well within the speed rating. Assuming all other factors size, load rating etc are the same.

I suppose back in 'those days' before all the extra (expensive) testing for emissions for every combo of engine, trim and wheel / tyre size combo, car manufacturers didn't worry so much and selected tyres that were a bit cheaper but otherwise fine for the speed rating.

I would note that the TS2 Maazda3, at least for the 1st gen cars up to 2009, could come in 1.6 and 2L petrol forms, with the 2L petrol having a rated top speed of 130mph, so V rated tyres were a must. My 1.6 could take the H rated ones.

For the diesels, I suspect the same applied, even though the 2L diesel had a rated top speed of (according to HJ data) 126mph - too close for comfort on safety, as car can go a bit quicker than the rated speed once their engines fully 'loosen up' after a few years/decent amount of mileage.

In the OP's case,(gen 1 or 2 car - I've now checked the HJ data for both), then the TS trim only came in 1.6L petrol or diesel form, so it should be ok to fit H or V rated tyres in line with the handbook / door plate for 15in tyres. Mine said V rated only for the 16in ones.

The 195/65 R15 Michelin CC+ I've got come in both H rated (load 91, standard) and V rated (load 95, reinforced), I don't recall the 205/55 R16 equivalents coming in anything other than V rated (load 94, reinforced). My OEM summer tyres in 205/55 R16V form were V rated (91).

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - RT

If all-seasons have the 3PMSF then they also qualify as winter tyres - most modern all-seasons do have 3PMSF.

Mazda 3 - Tyre speed rating/types - Engineer Andy

If all-seasons have the 3PMSF then they also qualify as winter tyres - most modern all-seasons do have 3PMSF.

Indeed, and my 6yo Michelin CC+'s do, so the OP's choice to go to the newer version, the CC2, should then be fine in that regard.