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Plug in - orli

Hello. I would like to ask you for advice on choosing a used car. I am looking for an economical plug-in hybrid car with a wagon body, Japanese or German.The least problematic in terms of repair and maintenance, as well as the cost of spare parts. I really like the Toyota Prius plug-in, but it has a small boot capacity. I have the opportunity to charge the car in my home from an electrical outlet. I do not drive very much every day, I live in the countryside, but every year I have long-distance trips in which I travel about 4000 km, or even more. Sometimes twice a year. Budget is no more than 15,000 - 18,000 £. Currently studying between Volkswagen, Skoda, Toyota

Edited by orli on 12/11/2024 at 12:25

Plug in - Xileno

Moved from Technical forum. Likely to get more replies here.

Plug in - Adampr

It's not Japanese or German (but neither is Skoda), but maybe look at the Kia Optima. Otherwise, a Skoda Superb is the obvious choice.

Plug in - RT

It's not Japanese or German (but neither is Skoda), but maybe look at the Kia Optima. Otherwise, a Skoda Superb is the obvious choice.

Skodas are effectively German, using the same platform as a VW Golf - and ex-Skoda factories build plenty of VW, Audi and Porsche models due to VW Group's production spread.

Plug in - Adampr

It's not Japanese or German (but neither is Skoda), but maybe look at the Kia Optima. Otherwise, a Skoda Superb is the obvious choice.

Skodas are effectively German, using the same platform as a VW Golf - and ex-Skoda factories build plenty of VW, Audi and Porsche models due to VW Group's production spread.

I'm aware of that. It just seems a bit odd to want something German then name Skoda. Are we now saying that Lotus are Chinese and Jaguar are Indian?

Plug in - Terry W

Think about the way you use the car, and why a plug in hybrid seems the solution.

A plug in hybrid serves journeys within a radius of (probably) 15-25 miles. You gain over petrol as home charging is probably about half the cost of petrol. On longer journeys most miles will be courtesy of a pit stop at the local petrol pump.

Negative - plug in weight and complexity. It probably has a normal ICE engine + gearbox + electric motor + battery + complex software to manage the load between the two. Lots to go wrong IMHO.

Objectively the savings are fairly small. A car doing (say) 9000 miles pa split equally between long and short distance means any savings will only arise on 4500 miles.

  • Assuming 10 miles per litre (45mpg) and £1.40 per litre will cost 14p per mile.
  • Assuming 4 miles per KWH and a cost of 28p per unit gives 7p per mile
  • Over 4500 miles the saving of 7p per mile is £315pa - £26 per month.

Hardly significant in the context of running a car and its depreciation.

Plug in - madf

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  • Assuming 4 miles per KWH and a cost of 28p per unit gives 7p per mile"

Far too pessimistic.

24p per KWH easily achievable

But overnight charging Octopus is 7p per KWH

So costs over 4500 miles at 4 miles per kwh = £78.75

Petrol costs @14p /miles = £630

Savings potentially = £551.25 pa or £45.94/month.

Plug in - Terry W

I used a crude kwh rate deliberately as the cost of electricity varies so widely depending upon where, when etc.

Motorway fast charger would be ~75p

Price cap currently 24.5p

Cheap overnight rates ~7-14p depending on provider and the day rate which may increase

Home installed PV cells - possibly 0p

Bluntly - you can get whatever answer you want so its a bit of a judgement depending on individual circumstances.

Plug in - mcb100
PHEV’s typically don’t have a rapid charge facility - it’s AC only at 3.6kW max from a dedicated charger, c2kW from a standard outlet.
So mid-journey charges become irrelevant as you’re plugged in for a good while.
They’re really designed to run off a 3 pin plug, charging at ‘origin and destination’.