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Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Orb>>.

www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/11/direct-li...s

So cutting about 550 jobs, How will this affect customer services. Will everything go online as it has with LV?

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Falkirk Bairn

DL put up Car & House Prices by around 31%

Lost 550,000 Customers

Hence redundances

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - daveyjp

Former HQ to be redeveloped.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/politics/headrow-former-direct-line-building-in-leeds-set-for-230-new-co-living-flats-with-roof-garden-and-gym-4860050

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Steveieb

If only NFU were more competitive on price. Their service is next to one !

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - alan1302

If only NFU were more competitive on price. Their service is next to one !

Which is why they are not competitive on price - we want fist class service but don't want to pay - myself included!

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Andrew-T

<< ... we want first class service but don't want to pay - myself included! >>

I think most of us would rather do without the service, until we are unlucky enough to need it. Insurance is simply an official, commercial wagering system which we are obliged by law to use. Usually we are lucky and pay up at renewal time while keeping our NCD. If we are unlucky we complain about the service we get - unless we are with NFU or the like.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Engineer Andy

DL put up Car & House Prices by around 31%

Lost 550,000 Customers

Hence redundances

My dad said much the same about his old firm, Guardian, when it was taken over by Axa a good number of years ago

Apparently, Axa bought a well-run profitable firm, then applied its harsh cost-cutting measures by cutting many staff and using less qualified ones for underwriting / customer-facing roles, which lead to customers leaving, which Axa supposedly reacted to be cutting even more jobs, just making a bad situation worse.

A similar thing happened when one of my old employers, quite a big engineering consultancy, merged with another and was bought at the same time (early 2000s) by an even bigger US one.

My firm was renowned for quality, treated its staff so well it consistently featured in the top 20-30 of the Times top 100 businesses to work for, plus it was always profitable and never made large scale redundancies, even in the 1970s or early 90s recessionary periods.

A similar set of changes was made to the Guardian / Axa situation, including a change of company name, which decimated its industry / customer reputation, level of profitability and led to many long-serving staff leaving and no longer attracts the best. IMHO, it has never recovered.

Many firms look at first glance to be doing better than years ago because they have higher profits and staff numbers, but often that's because its owners have just grown it by buying up smaller firms (directors 'selling out' in return for big pay-offs and/or cushy positions), mostly for their order books / client lists.

Like with the economy at large, more doesn't mean better, i.e. profitability (like GDP) per person is less than it used to be. Staff retention / turnover, which used to be tiny (same at my dad's old firm) is now terrible.

One of he reasons many of these 'big boys' survive is because (other than getting 'investment' from pension funds, hardly a good return these days) they 'steal' business from smaller (better) competitors because the put in unrealistically low tenders for work which they know their firm cannot provide a decent level of service, but hope that the customer either doesn't complain (much) or doesn't realise they've been ripped off.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - SLO76
I wish every misery on the firm, they’ve priced themselves right out of the market and alienated longterm customers like me with obscene renewal quotes. I won’t bother my backside putting my details into their website again, and I see that many others must be doing likewise as they’re announcing that they’re now using price comparison sites in an effort no doubt to reconnect with lost customers


Happy to see greed like this cause a firm to struggle and perhaps fail, the only way to fight this sort of nonsense is to refuse to deal with them again.

Edited by SLO76 on 11/11/2024 at 23:55

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Steveieb

It’s time for Peter Wood who started Direct line to come back and shake up the market. Not sure if he is associated with Esure which he went on to establish after selling Direct Line !

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Gibbo_Wirral

Their constant bragging of "we're not on comparison sites" is enough to put me off.

Why? Scared you'll be outed as being more expensive?

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - daveyjp

Nor are Aviva, but both have other brands which are because they can't afford not to be on comparison sites.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - davecooper

I'm another dissatisfied Direct Line customer. Like so many, I suddenly saw a big premium hike this year, around 40% in my case. This is exactly what happened the last time I changed companies. Churchill annual renewal quotes were always as expected, a little higher than the previous year but still reasonable, then bang! a big hike. This is exactly as it has been with Direct Line, fine for a few years, then the big surprise this year. I'm now with my own bank Halifax, which quoted similar to DL, pre the premium hike, for the same level of cover.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Marlin1

Their constant bragging of "we're not on comparison sites" is enough to put me off.

Why? Scared you'll be outed as being more expensive?

On the contrary.

The problem with comparison sites is that they take a significant commission for each deal sold. This puts prices up for everyone - who are under the illusion that it's really saving them money - when long term it isn't.

See: www.thesun.co.uk/money/10407890/price-comparison-w.../

There was a more in-depth analysis done a few years ago but I can't find it at the moment.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - gordonbennet

We stayed with DL for all our insurances, 3 cars and our house.

Yes the daily use car renewals had gone up some 20/25% inJan/Feb, so i did a comparison search and once had some lower bids from comparable insurers i rang DL, spoke to a charning lady who soon had sorted things out satisfactorily, renewed there and then through her so she would get the commission seeing as she was the one who put the effort in.

Whilst friendly sensible negotiation is on the cards i'm happy with them.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Benet

spoke to a charning lady who soon had sorted things out satisfactorily,

I hope the charming lady is not one of those losing their jobs. Employing staff to answer phones is considered very costly unfortunately, and the more customers use the website rather than the phone, the fewer of these staff they will retain. Rather like self-service checkout in supermarkets

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Andrew-T

<< The problem with comparison sites is that they take a significant commission for each deal sold. This puts prices up for everyone - >>

Surely you aren't suggesting that comparison sites should be non-profit ? Or do you avoid using them on principle ? It would be rather a hassle looking for quotes one by one.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Marlin1

<< The problem with comparison sites is that they take a significant commission for each deal sold. This puts prices up for everyone - >>

Surely you aren't suggesting that comparison sites should be non-profit ? Or do you avoid using them on principle ? It would be rather a hassle looking for quotes one by one.

It's actually what we used to do. We would get out the yellow pages and call up the individual insurers one by one, repeating all of the details. Of course you could visit a high street insurance broker - remember those?

No one is asking them to do it for free or be non-profit but taking a £160 commission on a £450 policy seems excessive.

Any ---- Cutting Jobs - Direct Line - Andrew-T

<< No one is asking them to do it for free or be non-profit but taking a £160 commission on a £450 policy seems excessive. >>

Well, avoiding comparison sites didn't seem to give DL much of an advantage - or was the saving not passed on to customers ?