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Boot length need, a find me car thread - VengaPete

Hi All

We are examining potential options to move on from our current Kia Venga Auto 2012. It's a model 3 so has plenty of toys and a panoramic roof which makes the interior very airy and light. We have no worries about it being deisrable as a trade in, especially as Autos seem so popular at present and its petrol and ULEZ compliant so no issues on that score. It's also only got 56K on it so plenty of life for any next owner.

The problem is my wife is disabled and whatever we move to we'd like to be able to run her electric wheel chair straight into the boot (using a ramp), while keeping it as a 5 seater. Currently I have to lift it into the Venga, but I'm getting older and a 30kg lift with a 90 degree twist to put it across the boot is starting to take its toll. We did think of an electric hoist but they take up to much of the boot so don't work for us with what other things we have to carry around.

The chair is 40 inches in length when folded. We have tried usual suspects like Qashqai / Tucson / Sportage / RAV4 and despite them being "chunky" and looking massive , the boots are disappointingly small lengthways in 5 seater mode.

We additionally need auto (preferably a torque converter), petrol as we only do 4k a year, ideally a cam chain engine as my wife had a cam belt "let go" rather spectacularly in the past and mentally it is block for her to go back to cam belt. And driver seat must be able to raise to 70cm from ground.

Having checked the usual suspects and trawled a few car lots, I keep ending up back at import vans like a Stepwagon / Elysion / Vellfire / Alphard / Estima which mechanically share many parts with UK models but its the trim / bodywork / glass that can be tricky from what the forums say. ie: a windscreen issue can effectively write off an otherwise good van.

Budget is £10K plus the Venga, preferably newer than a 12 plate.

If anyone can think of UK alternates that fit the bill then let me know.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - Big John

Probably the best cars to try out are the van based vehicles eg Citroen Berlingo etc

Website for Research Institute for Disabled Consumers www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...8

Edited by Big John on 08/11/2024 at 22:12

Boot length need, a find me car thread - badbusdriver

Tricky one this!

First, for the benfit of those (like me) who struggle with "old money", 40 inches = 1016mm.

Big John's suggestion would seem the most logical, but according to the info I can find on RiDC, the boot on the standard wheelbase models (Berling, Rifter, Combo Life) is just a little too short at 990mm , which leaves the long wheelbase (XL) model. They have plenty of length (1265mm with 3rd row seats folded/removed) but are much rarer and will be outwith your budget (assuming £5k for the Venga).

I then looked at the Toyota Verso, but the seat doesn't go high enough (679mm) and with 3rd row seats folded, the boot is still only 918mm long.

Then the Citroen Grand C4 Picasso. This is more promising with seat height (745mm) and boot length (1099mm) both covered, but you would be taking the risk on the 1.2 Puretech which, according to John F, is safest from 2019 on (budget would put you in a 2017 car) There is also a 1.6 turbo available but i'm not sure if that is known for any problems?. Sticking in the same family, the Peugeot 5008 also ticks the seat height/boot length boxes, but uses the same engines.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - Andrew-T

... according to the info I can find on RiDC, the boot on the standard wheelbase models (Berling, Rifter, Combo Life) is just a little too short at 990mm , which leaves the long wheelbase (XL) model.

These may still be worth checking out, as 990mm is only 25mm short of your 1016, and the OP's 40 inches is a very round number, so 39 MAY just be enough ?

Boot length need, a find me car thread - Brit_in_Germany

The Ford Kuga is indicated to have a boot depth of 865 – 1.017 mm, presumably the range is due to the sloping back rest of the rear seat. If the 40" measurement is at the base, it might be worth a look.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - badbusdriver

... according to the info I can find on RiDC, the boot on the standard wheelbase models (Berling, Rifter, Combo Life) is just a little too short at 990mm , which leaves the long wheelbase (XL) model.

These may still be worth checking out, as 990mm is only 25mm short of your 1016, and the OP's 40 inches is a very round number, so 39 MAY just be enough ?

That is a fair point and definitely worth checking for sure. I'm not convinced though, because the maximum boot length is at floor level and the seat back is not vertical. So the higher up off the floor you go, the shorter the boot length will be. The maximum length of the wheelchair is not going to be at ground level. Just how far up it is will depend on the design, but I'd guess a minimum of around 7.5cm, at which point I'd estimate the boot length to be 10-20mm less than floor level.

If the wheelchair did fit, £15k is enough together into a 2021 Vauxhall Combo life 1.2 turbo auto.

It may also be the case that in a car with boot floor of the dimensions of the above, it may be easier, using a ramp, to get the wheelchair in sideways. Reverse it up the ramp then swing the front round?.

These are the boot dimensions of the Combo Life followed by the Venga (width is at narrowest point):

Length- 990mm, width- 1198mm, boot sill height to ground- 571mm

Length- 722mm, width- 1075mm, boot sill height to ground- 710mm

I also wonder if a boot hoist would be fine on a Combo Life because the boot is so much bigger to start with than a Venga?. If so, maybe it would also work on something with a better likelihood of reliability, like the RAV4 mentioned by the OP.

I did look up some boot hoists on the website of a place called Des Gosling Mobility and they don't appear to take up that much room. There are videos showing them being used in a Nissan Juke and also an Audi TT. In both cases mobility scooters were used, and in he case of theTT, the rear seat didn't even need folding!

Boot length need, a find me car thread - badbusdriver

Here is a slightly left field suggestion, a Subaru Outback?. It would require some compromise on the issue of seat height, but only a little.

Going by the figures on the RiDC website, the drivers seat on the 5th gen (2014-2019) Outback (what a £15k budget would get) goes up to 685/688mm (pre/post facelift), but the boot is 1050/1041mm long (pre/post facelift).

Yes, they are pretty thirsty (so is a Venga auto!), but 4k miles per year isn't a lot, and they are reliable.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - shauncwalsh

Zafira Tourer?

www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/cho...2

Edited by shauncwalsh on 12/11/2024 at 13:35

Boot length need, a find me car thread - Engineer Andy

I would've thought that an estate car would be a good fit unless the OP feels they are too big a footprint for their specific needs, i.e. more difficult for parking / driving on narrow roads, etc.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - VengaPete

Many thanks for all replies so far.

For the Stellantis group cars (Vauxhall / Citroen /Peugeot), the worry here is the Puretech Engine. The EAT6 and EAT8 gearboxes seem to be really reliable T/C boxes. Having said that, it seems an ingenious company have come up with chain conversion kit fairly recently so maybe Puretech belt issues will become a distant memory in a few years.

For the Subaru, it uses a "Lineartronic" CVT from what I can find and they aren't renowned for reliability according to user forums.

For the Kuga, its the wetbelt Eco Boost petrol as the 1.5 diesel isn't viable due to our low yearly mileage. And EcoBoost problems have been done to death on HJ. Also I think we'd struggle to get into the later T/C box, and Powershift brings its own problems.

The hoist idea on a RAV4 sounds sensible, but we have looked at a RAV4 (generation 4) and the boot is surprisingly small for the size of car. I think the boot has suffered as the rear legroom is quite generous. Also the steering wheel is quite low and both myself and my wife struggled to get in and legs under the steering wheel when it was at max height. We aren't huge people by any stretch and checking the Toyota forum, it seems we aren't alone. I did manage to fit enough to have a test drive and it drives really well and the Toyota CVT is excellent (if a little "lazy" compared to our T/C box). But the fitting and disappointing boot have made us pass it by. We also have by passed the Gen 5 as they have a huge theft problem at present due to a CAN bus intrusion issue. It's a shame as if the test drive was anything to go by, the Gen4 RAV4 would have proved a very nice car, with the usual Toyota reliability.

Estate cars are generally low seats but I'll have a trawl through RIDC and see if anything jumps out as a possible.

The Zafira Tourer, interesting and likely to be available in decent model choice being a "UK" maker. I'm guessing as they are under Stellantis hat, the gearbox will be an EAT6 / 8? Although I'm not sure if we are back at the Puretech wetbelt problem.

But a good few things for me to go away and mull over here so many thanks for all replies. And if anyone comes up with anything else, do please add a comment.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - badbusdriver

The Zafira Tourer, interesting and likely to be available in decent model choice being a "UK" maker. I'm guessing as they are under Stellantis hat, the gearbox will be an EAT6 / 8? Although I'm not sure if we are back at the Puretech wetbelt problem.

The Zafira Tourer was on sale from 2012-2018, PSA took over Vauxhall in 2017 (and Stellantis didn't exist until 2021) so doubtful there are any shared parts.

But the Zafira Tourer does use a t/c auto.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - RT

The Zafira Tourer, interesting and likely to be available in decent model choice being a "UK" maker. I'm guessing as they are under Stellantis hat, the gearbox will be an EAT6 / 8? Although I'm not sure if we are back at the Puretech wetbelt problem.

The Zafira Tourer was on sale from 2012-2018, PSA took over Vauxhall in 2017 (and Stellantis didn't exist until 2021) so doubtful there are any shared parts.

But the Zafira Tourer does use a t/c auto.

The Zafira is a GM-developed model - so no connection with PSA or Stellantis. The TC autoboxes were usually Aisin based.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - shauncwalsh

The engines available in the Zafira Tourer are all 4 cylinder:

GM's 1.4 O series petrol engine.

GM's 1.6 whisper diesel

2.0 litre Fiat derived diesel.

Edited by shauncwalsh on 13/11/2024 at 15:47

Boot length need, a find me car thread - misar

@VengaPete take a look at this website. Its designed to answer questions like yours.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - Engineer Andy

Presumably a Mazda6 2L petrol auto would be rather too big (long) for the OP's requirements? The CX-5 does come in that format but with a shorter car length, though I'm not sure if the boot is long enough for their needs.

It certainly is, as Misar says, worth checking the site he gave for dimensions. The Skyactiv-G engine is proven to be reliable, if not spectacular, particularly when paired with the smooth TC auto box.

Avoid the diesels though as they can be unreliable if previously mainly used for short trips from cold, which is rather a lottery, given rarely do you know the previous owner's driving pattern.

Boot length need, a find me car thread - JonestHon

I don't think you need to be afraid of a Jap import, some models are prevalent in the UK (for good reasons!) like the Toyota Alphard, parts are plenty and there have not been too many changes to this model over the years.

They are all cam chain undtressed engines and built quality even on older examples are sometimes better than new cars.

Some come with factory-fitted disability access, which allows the user better access, plus you get plenty of space in the back for the wheelchair.

See this example: less than 60k and has the accessibility chair fitted.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406180881954