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Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Norman49

Hi everyone

My 2010 Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI has done 100,000 miles. During that time the temperature gauge has remained rock steady, with the needle pointing straight up at 90 degrees.

However, over the past couple of months this has changed. Quite often the displayed temperature will climb rapidly to 110 or even 120 degrees, getting close to the red zone. This usually happens when going uphill but has also occurred when just cruising along on the flat.

When I carry on driving the needle slowly returns to the 90 degree position and then stays there until the next time it happens.

In addition, I've been losing coolant and having to top up. But the temperature rise still happens even after I've just topped up to the max mark.

As you will have gathered, my technical knowledge is severely limited. So any advice you can offer would be much appreciated. Thanks for reading and thanks for your help.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - elekie&a/c doctor
Most common failure for overheating on these , is the water pump . The impeller comes lose on the shaft and stops working. You’ll need the cambelt done at the same time.
Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow
Most common failure for overheating on these , is the water pump . The impeller comes lose on the shaft and stops working. You’ll need the cambelt done at the same time.

Would this be detectable as a lack of "swirl" when looking at the coolant via the radiator fill cap?

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - elekie&a/c doctor
Very possibly, and also poor heater operation.
Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Norman49

Thanks for the helpful advice, elekie&a/c and edlithgow. How do I check for lack of "swirl"? Do I remove the filler cap? If so, it's presumably best done when the engine is cold? Also (please excuse my ignorance) why do I need to get the cambelt done at the same time? Is it because the engine has to be stripped down and so it just makes sense to change the cambelt? Or is there some other reason? Thanks.

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Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - elekie&a/c doctor
With the engine running at idle , you should see coolant returning through the small pipes into the reservoir. You can take the cap off , might make it easier to see. Replacement water pump requires removing the cam belt . Any garage will advise this as a precaution.
Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Andrew-T

How do I check for lack of "swirl"? [1] Do I remove the filler cap? If so, [2] it's presumably best done when the engine is cold?

[1] yes. [2] best done after the thermostat has opened - when the engine has warmed up enough for coolant to reach the radiator.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow

How do I check for lack of "swirl"? [1] Do I remove the filler cap? If so, [2] it's presumably best done when the engine is cold?

[1] yes. [2] best done after the thermostat has opened - when the engine has warmed up enough for coolant to reach the radiator.

Someone ought probably to stress that you do this from COLD

Apologies if this is bleedin obvious, but I I wouldnt feel you deserved to be maimed because it wasn't.

I would remove the radiator cap before I started the engine, and watch the surface of the coolant in the radiator.

You'll likely see a bit of turbulence due to thermal upwelling when the Tstat opens, then some fairly vigorous pump driven swirling. Once you are convinced you've seen that (or are convinced you havn't, suggesting its bust), shut it off.

If you keep going it'll eventually boil over, (because its only at atmospheric pressure with the rad cap off) which isnt useful in this context, (though I did it deliberately to clear air pockets, so it isn't necessarily fatal) might scald you if you are careless, and if you really overdo it could damage the engine, likely cracking the exhaust valve seats.

I should say that while I've done this routinely on my last car, which suffered from air pockets a lot, I havnt done it on yours, but I'd expect it to behave similarly.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Andrew-T

<< Someone ought probably to stress that you do this from COLD >>

Yes, of course you are right, Ed. I was reading 'it's best done' as referring to 'check for lack of swirl' rather than 'remove the filler cap'. Safety First.

<< ... watch the surface of the coolant in the radiator >>

Which assumes that the surface can be seen. If not, the system probably needs topping up.

Edited by Andrew-T on 05/11/2024 at 12:00

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - focussed
Most common failure for overheating on these , is the water pump . The impeller comes lose on the shaft and stops working. You’ll need the cambelt done at the same time.

That's a terrific accolade for german design and production engineering isn't it?

Despite their enormous engineering resources they can't design a water pump where the impeller remains attached to it's drive shaft.

I've had a similar experience in the past - BMW 520i E34 water pump impeller disintegrated resulting in instant overheat. Fished the bits out, slapped a BMW recon pump on it and sold it.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow
Most common failure for overheating on these , is the water pump . The impeller comes lose on the shaft and stops working. You’ll need the cambelt done at the same time.

That's a terrific accolade for german design and production engineering isn't it?

Despite their enormous engineering resources they can't design a water pump where the impeller remains attached to it's drive shaft.

I've had a similar experience in the past - BMW 520i E34 water pump impeller disintegrated resulting in instant overheat. Fished the bits out, slapped a BMW recon pump on it and sold it.

As I mentioned in another parallel thread, it seems to be a specifically German ting, and the local British mechanic here in Taiwan (where these issues allegedly tend to come on sooner, possibly due to the elevated temperatures) theorised this was due to degradability constraints imposed on the plastics for environmental reasons.

So the enormous German engineering resources have...er...been harnessed to the cause of destruction. (DMZV moment)

I don't know if there's any actual documented evidence for that, but it seems almost daft enough to be true

Edited by edlithgow on 05/11/2024 at 08:55

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - mickyh7
Most common failure for overheating on these , is the water pump . The impeller comes lose on the shaft and stops working. You’ll need the cambelt done at the same time.

That's a terrific accolade for german design and production engineering isn't it?

Despite their enormous engineering resources they can't design a water pump where the impeller remains attached to it's drive shaft.

I've had a similar experience in the past - BMW 520i E34 water pump impeller disintegrated resulting in instant overheat. Fished the bits out, slapped a BMW recon pump on it and sold it.

I think the water pump has done a great job, lasting 100,000 miles.

No moving parts on a car are built to last forever.

And unfortunately, plastic is everywhere on cars nowadays.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Norman49

Many thanks to everyone. It's the first time I've posted on the forum and I did so more in hope than expectation. But the response has been brilliant. It's so kind of you to take the time and trouble to share your knowledge.

With the engine idling and the temperature gauge pointing straight up at 90 degrees I can't see any sign of "swirling" -- the coolant just seems to be sitting there unruffled. Also, the heater barely gives out any heat, even when set to maximum. So, from what you've said, this all points strongly towards water pump failure. Thanks for all the help.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - Andrew-T

With the engine idling and the temperature gauge pointing straight up at 90 degrees I can't see any sign of "swirling" -- the coolant just seems to be sitting there unruffled.

So your engine will be working in the ancient convection way, which is inadequate for more modern cars. Pumping is necessary to remove the engine's heat fast enough, and the thermostat helps it to run at about the optimum temperature.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow

With the engine idling and the temperature gauge pointing straight up at 90 degrees I can't see any sign of "swirling" -- the coolant just seems to be sitting there unruffled.

So your engine will be working in the ancient convection way, which is inadequate for more modern cars. Pumping is necessary to remove the engine's heat fast enough, and the thermostat helps it to run at about the optimum temperature.

Though I doubt I'll ever have another car, there's a current possibility of a small Yanmar seawater-cooled marine diesel, in which apparently the thermostast helps them run at a very sub-optimal temperature, because otherwise they clog up with salt.

I'm wondering if I could modify it to use a keel-cooling. pipe, containing c onventional coolant, so I can avoid the nasty salt and run a hotter Tstat.

Not sure the geometry will work though.

Havn't even got it yet, much less got it to run, and already I'm planning to break it

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - bathtub tom

I knew a guy who ran a motor boat with an old car side valve engine. The cooling was done by a pipe that ran outside the hull, in the water!

I've seen tanks on the inside of narrow boats, welded to the hull, below water level. The canal water passing the other side of the hull was sufficient to cool the tank inside.

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow

I was thinking the first option, but on this hull its likely not possible to arrange the pipe without it being an excessively vulnerable source of drag.

Edited by edlithgow on 06/11/2024 at 00:42

Volkswagen Golf Mk6 1.6 TDI - Please help -- VW Golf overheating - edlithgow

Was passing Halfords and thought I'd see if they had suitable oil for it, (15W40),though I suspected it'd all be far too skinny.

They were soon closing, so I got a can-I-help-you-sir intercept.

"I'm looking for oil for a small Yanmar marine diesel" ses I

"Certainly sir, do you have the registration?"" ses the yoof

"Its a marine diesel, its in a boat" ses I

"Yes sir, but I need the registration" ses the yoof

"Never mind" ses I