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Switching 2 cars to EV - Rooster2024

Hello

Sorry for the new thred, but I am not sure it fits in the existing EV thread.

We are currently a 2 car family and want to change to EV plus need to replace one of the cars. At the moment we have:

2017 LR Disco HSE 90k miles - owned outright - about £20k value.

2010 Volvo V70 150k miles - owned outright - about £1k value.

The V70 is getting a bit long in the tooth and we are spending a lot on upkeep and repairs, the Disco costs a fair bit to run and is starting to develop a few expensive repairs.

We would like to change to 2 EV, there is very little extra money available for monthly repayments. Our current use is mostly local with the occasional 100 mile journey. We would install chargers at home. We are a family of 4, 2 adults and 2 children (16 years and 12 years) and do a fair bit of sport, bikes, beach trips, and so on. We live in a village about 10 miles from a big city where we both work, in England.

Ideally something like a Skoda Enyaq for bigger family jobs and a smaller car for local commuting. Both cars need to be used most days most weeks for commuting. If we need to add a monthly payment we have a ltd company can can buy a car through that.

I am finding the various options very confusing and wondered if someone could suggest the optimal configurations of cars, finance, and so on.

Thank you

R

P.S. Very sorry for the double post. Have reported.

Edited by Rooster2024 on 24/08/2024 at 20:12

Switching 2 cars to EV - Adampr

I would probably use the value of your two cars as the budget rather than get finance. About 25% of that would get you something like a VW e-Up, or identical Seat Mii Electric. A Renault Zoe (check no battery lease) or Nissan Leaf may also work. If it's really just a local workhorse, there is a Renault Kangoo electric van available with a double cab. Range is awful, but won't matter.

For the longer journeys, maybe an MG5? However, I would suggest maybe looking at a PHEV, like a Skoda Superb or VW Passat GTE too. It would run on electric for all your local trips, but have the ability to cover longer distances easily when needed.

Switching 2 cars to EV - badbusdriver

We are currently a 2 car family and want to change to EV plus need to replace one of the cars.

We would like to change to 2 EV,

I'm also confused, by the above two statements!.

Can you clarify exactly what you want?. Are you replacing one car or two?. If two, will they both be EV's?

Also, are you saying that your budget is the combined value of both current cars and no more? (If so, saying you had £21k to spend would be clearer)

Switching 2 cars to EV - Rooster2024

Thank you. Sorry for being unclear.

Are you replacing one car or two?. If two, will they both be EV's?

Yes, replacing both, yes both EV (or PHEV as suggested above for the larger range car).

Combined budget is £21k, yes, but if needed we could add a small amount of finance but really would prefer not to and talking a max of £300/month.

Thanks again.

Switching 2 cars to EV - JonestHon

With 21k, you can lease for almost four years a brand new Nissan Leaf on 5k miles/year and a brand new Suzuki Swace on 10k/year. This includes the down payments, and the monthly outlay is £350/month.

Imagine, no need to deal with the JLR dealers and garages, no more diesel complications. After four years, kids might have their wheels, so you can decide what to do next.

Switching 2 cars to EV - movilogo

What is the rationale for 2 EVs?

Why not one regular car + 1 EV ?

Do you just fancy EV or there are benefits which you can only get through EVs?

Switching 2 cars to EV - Engineer Andy

What is the rationale for 2 EVs?

Why not one regular car + 1 EV ?

Do you just fancy EV or there are benefits which you can only get through EVs?

Indeed - IMHO they get a small, reasonably-priced second hand EV (don't buy new, given the horrendous depreciation at the moment, plus just buy a workhorse, nothing flashy or 'cool' that you're paying extra for the badge) for the local work, and a larger, modern, efficient petrol / petrol hybrid (doesn't have to be a plug-in variety either) for the longer trips.

The petrol car will still have an excellent range and will thus always be available even if the home charge fails or there's a power cut (which may be common in the country and likely to be more so in the coming years, given national policy making decisions).

I'd also make sure the petrol car has some modicum of 'rural' capability, i.e. is either a SUV / crossover and at least has all season tyres fitted that are of a sensible size combo for use down country lanes / in poor weather. 4WD could be an option, depending on local conditions, especially in winter / very poor weather.

The OP should be able to save some money going this route (including insurance - most EVs cost a fortune at the moment compared to ICE equivalents).

They could reinvest that money in paying for / saving up to finance a PV array on their roof plus a Tesla wall (or similar) battery backup and outward connect to the grid, so that they have a backup for the car charger / house electrical supply and can export to the grid during opportune times (more ££ paid to them) to shorten the payback period on that equipment and earn some money.

Switching 2 cars to EV - Steveieb

Morning Rooster.

Would be interested to know what sort of repair bills that you have been experiencing with the V70?

Switching 2 cars to EV - Warning

do a fair bit of sport, bikes, beach trips, and so on

What about loading space?

Also, you have child at 16 and may want to eventually to drive the family car.

Also would you get two chargers? Does your village have the electric capability of the extra loading?

Switching 2 cars to EV - primus 1

Are you sure your Land Rover is worth 20k?, wife’s uncle has a disco sport 2018 and has been offered 11k, mind you, that was px against another LR.

Switching 2 cars to EV - Andrew-T

Also would you get two chargers? Does your village have the electric capability of the extra loading?

Is that a serious question ? Unless you are thinking of a rapid charger, adding a couple more kettles to a village should not tax the system too heavily :-)

Switching 2 cars to EV - SLO76
Not sure what sort of mileage you are doing between these two cars but with our Nissan Leaf we’re saving around £200 a month on fuel so surely some of the savings can be added to the monthly budget? Additionally I have much lower maintenance and repair costs and that’s compared to a simple and very reliable if elderly Toyota estate.

For your requirements I’d be looking at a Skoda Enyaq for the main family car duties, you can get 60kwh examples under £20k but it’s really worth finding the bigger 77 or 83kwh cars if you can in order to make longer family car duties more manageable. Good cars these and plenty of room inside. Very much on our radar for next time.

As a second cheap local runabout would be a tidy 2016 on Mk I Nissan Leaf 24kwh. These have a very limited range in the real world of 70-80 miles depending on the status of the battery. You want one preferably with 10 or 11 bars of battery health left . They’re peanuts to buy and run with good cars easily available at £4-£5k. Outside of the original 8yr battery warranty there’s really little servicing and maintenance required, even during its nothing more than a few checks and a payment to keep the lights of your local main dealer on. Don’t buy the early pre 2012 Japanese built examples as they suffer worse battery degradation and are mostly garden ornaments now.

I’m assuming you haven’t access to a workplace ev leasing scheme? This is usually great value as you find the car through your untaxed wage. We have an option to take a car through the NHS scheme next time and there are some excellent offers.

Don’t buy either if you aren’t able to charge at home! Only downside on your plan is that I’d be very surprised if you got £20k for a 90,000 mile 7yr old Discovery, the trade know how unreliable these are and tend to hammer them. Best of luck though, I very much like our EV and I walk past a very nice Merc C class estate every morning to take the much more relaxing, less environmentally damaging and utterly reliable Nissan Leaf to work with me. In fact it does the vast bulk of our driving these days.

Edited by SLO76 on 25/08/2024 at 09:26

Switching 2 cars to EV - pd

On the value of your current cars I agree with SLO76 that Land Rover products aren't the flavour of the month at the moment. Prices have stabilised but they took a big hit.

On the other hand you can probably get more than £1k for your Volvo. These still sell well even with high mileage.

Switching 2 cars to EV - RichardW

Hate to say it but you need to re-check your figures, I reckon the Disco is about £15k retail, so maybe £10k trade in - less if it's a 2.0 diesel and it hasn't had the timing chains done yet / the service history is patchy.. The Volvo you might get a grand for private sale with a year's ticket if it is OK body wise.

Switching 2 cars to EV - pd

Hate to say it but you need to re-check your figures, I reckon the Disco is about £15k retail, so maybe £10k trade in - less if it's a 2.0 diesel and it hasn't had the timing chains done yet / the service history is patchy.. The Volvo you might get a grand for private sale with a year's ticket if it is OK body wise.

In decent condition and history a 2010 V70 is closer to £3k than £1k even with 150k on the clock.

Switching 2 cars to EV - Ethan Edwards

Two EVs eh ? Well you absolutely do NOT need two chargers. I have two EVs and one charger. I agree about the Enyaq great choice. The second ev for local trips, Ioniq 28 would do the job.

So first off get a quote for one 7kw charger and organise your EV tarriff.

If you'd like dirt cheap motoring you won't be using public chargers except for long trips or emergencies.

Switching 2 cars to EV - Rooster2024

Very helpful information and thoughts.

Thank you everyone, to reply to the various questions.

Imagine, no need to deal with the JLR dealers and garages.

This is worth so so so much in the whole equation. Never, ever again.

Do you just fancy EV or there are benefits which you can only get through EVs?

Is short, yes. But, see below, the idea of EV and PHEV is a great one, and what we are probably after.

Indeed - IMHO they get a small, reasonably-priced second hand EV (don't buy new, given the horrendous depreciation at the moment, plus just buy a workhorse, nothing flashy or 'cool' that you're paying extra for the badge) for the local work, and a larger, modern, efficient petrol / petrol hybrid (doesn't have to be a plug-in variety either) for the longer trips.

I think this is what we will do. Except that we will probably get a nicer EV and delay the PHEV purchase until the Volvo causes some more problems.

I'd also make sure the petrol car has some modicum of 'rural' capability, i.e. is either a SUV / crossover and at least has all season tyres fitted that are of a sensible size combo for use down country lanes / in poor weather. 4WD could be an option, depending on local conditions, especially in winter / very poor weather.

We've had the Disco for 5-6 years and never really used the 4WD capability. I think winter tyres will be enough on the next car we get.

Would be interested to know what sort of repair bills that you have been experiencing with the V70?

There is always something. Current one is the motor on the passenger front window has gone. Had a £2-3k job every 2-3 years.

Are you sure your Land Rover is worth 20k?, wife’s uncle has a disco sport 2018 and has been offered 11k, mind you, that was px against another LR.

Offered a trade in value of £15k by Skoda.

Not sure what sort of mileage you are doing between these two cars but with our Nissan Leaf we’re saving around £200 a month on fuel so surely some of the savings can be added to the monthly budget?

Yes, good point.

I’m assuming you haven’t access to a workplace ev leasing scheme? This is usually great value as you find the car through your untaxed wage. We have an option to take a car through the NHS scheme next time and there are some excellent offers.

Yes, NHS too, but the finances don't work and cause problems with pension.

So, where have we got to:

The current thinking is that a 1-2 year old Enyaq will replace the Disco, the fuel savings will pay for the new finance monthly repayments and we have found one with a tow bar. That will reduce the monthly outgoings substantially.

We will keep the Volvo for a little bit and either get a cheap Polo or similar when it fails, for a year or so, or muddle through until we find the right deal on a PHEV. I currently really like the look of the new Passat. My favorrite car that we have ever had was a Passat Alltrack and it might be nice to go back. Although, I know it won't be 4WD.

The final thing I forgot to ask about is buying through a ltd company. I have a relatively small ltd company which could afford, say, £500/month on a car - are there any benefits from buying through a company and, if so, how does it work?

Thank you again for all of the useful thoughts.