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RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Orb>>

I know one of the men at a local WBAC buying places and had a chat with him about a valuation for the Korando.

He gave me a couple of tips.

However his mate has a 2022 vogue sitting on his drive . He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair.

Zero goodwill forthcoming.

Man at WBAC said. Another one who bought a car on the never never that he could not really afford.

Edited by Orb>> on 10/08/2024 at 19:13

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Engineer Andy

I know one of the men at a local WBAC buying places and had a chat with him about a valuation for the Korando.

He gave me a couple of tips.

However his mate has a 2022 vogue sitting on his drive . He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair.

Zero goodwill forthcoming.

Man at WBAC said. Another one who bought a car on the never never that he could not really afford.

The depreciation on that car must be shocking even before this happened, but now...

My local KIA dealership presumably took a similar very new car as PX, but had real difficulty offloading it onto another daft punter who thought they were 'buying quality' - it was on sale in their second hand lot for many months.

I suspect it was auctioned off - it was never labelled as 'reserved' as other cars are when they are sold, it just 'disappeared', and I wouldn't be surprised if they made a loss on the deal, given they had it up for around £125k or so so and had to drop the price considerably several times.

The daft thing is that a good number of legacy media outlets, including the DT, regularly tout buying older second hand, but formerly ultra-expensive cars to be 'cheap' alternatives to modern-day cars, despite the risk of similar horrendous bills if some components fail.

What they don't mention as well is that whilst 'affordable' ones do look 'cheap', most of them are (as well as been old) not in the greatest of health, and buying one in relatively good condition for its age (rust normally still an issue) will set you back 2-3x as much. An 'everyday' car they are not.

Smart people (real country people, not rich townies who've moved there) buy Japanese if they want a proper off-roader that is reliable. If posers want a big 4x4 off-roader to pose in through the town, buy a BMW - they at least do have some cache in terms of engineering excellence.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - John F

Smart people (real country people, not rich townies who've moved there) buy Japanese if they want a proper off-roader that is reliable.

Lots of farmers around here have JLR products. The ones I've met appear to be reasonably intelligent. They tend to be loyal Brits, do small annual mileages and keep their workhorses for many years. Any repair costs pale into insignificance among their outgoings in fertiliser, pesticide, weedkiller etc. So shame on the 'smart' British engine designers and manufacturers who can't make them a decent engine.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Adampr

Agreed. Most farmers I know have old Defenders and Discoverys. They are not particularly concerned with rust and everyday reliability like most people; they can fix engines and (badly) weld stuff when necessary.

They might have Japanese cars (mostly Subaru) as well, and battered Mitsubishis and Hilux3s are pretty common.. As Andy says, they definitely won't be driving around in a silly BMW.

JLR have certainly done the dirty on their core customer base chasing after the luxury SUV gang instead of producing simple capable vehicles like they used to. Probably not a great idea long term as people will eventually stop buying them.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Orb>>

The young (ish) man who had the above vogue is still paying the Never never, whichaever way he is actually paying (through the nose) is stuffed, No car, still got to make the monthly payments and certainly not got £15 k for a repair.

I found this on one of the Ingenium forums

They suffer from...

Timing chains
Balance shafts
Turbos
Oil pumps
Pistons cooling jet solenoid failure
Thermostats
Water pumps
Cylinder bores going oval
Big end bearing pick up
Oil leaks
DPF cores crack
NOX sensor failure

Ouch.

Edited by Orb>> on 12/08/2024 at 13:18

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - madf

Agreed. Most farmers I know have old Defenders and Discoverys. They are not particularly concerned with rust and everyday reliability like most people; they can fix engines and (badly) weld stuff when necessary.

They might have Japanese cars (mostly Subaru) as well, and battered Mitsubishis and Hilux3s are pretty common.. As Andy says, they definitely won't be driving around in a silly BMW.

JLR have certainly done the dirty on their core customer base chasing after the luxury SUV gang instead of producing simple capable vehicles like they used to. Probably not a great idea long term as people will eventually stop buying them.

"

JLR DELIVERS STRONG FINANCIAL RESULTS WITH RECORD REVENUES FOR THE YEAR ENDING 31 MARCH 2024"

media.jaguarlandrover.com/news/2024/05/jlr-deliver...4

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Engineer Andy

Agreed. Most farmers I know have old Defenders and Discoverys. They are not particularly concerned with rust and everyday reliability like most people; they can fix engines and (badly) weld stuff when necessary.

They might have Japanese cars (mostly Subaru) as well, and battered Mitsubishis and Hilux3s are pretty common.. As Andy says, they definitely won't be driving around in a silly BMW.

JLR have certainly done the dirty on their core customer base chasing after the luxury SUV gang instead of producing simple capable vehicles like they used to. Probably not a great idea long term as people will eventually stop buying them.

"

JLR DELIVERS STRONG FINANCIAL RESULTS WITH RECORD REVENUES FOR THE YEAR ENDING 31 MARCH 2024"

media.jaguarlandrover.com/news/2024/05/jlr-deliver...4

That doesn't mean most are bought by farmers, just (IMHO) daft rich people who want to pose. There reputation for poor reliability doesn't seem to have diminished.

I suspect this 'good' result for the past year wasn't reflective of previous years, including those not affected by the pandemic.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Engineer Andy

Smart people (real country people, not rich townies who've moved there) buy Japanese if they want a proper off-roader that is reliable.

Lots of farmers around here have JLR products. The ones I've met appear to be reasonably intelligent. They tend to be loyal Brits, do small annual mileages and keep their workhorses for many years. Any repair costs pale into insignificance among their outgoings in fertiliser, pesticide, weedkiller etc. So shame on the 'smart' British engine designers and manufacturers who can't make them a decent engine.

I doubt if they are using JLR products from the last 5 years or so, at best a runout 'old style' Land Rover Defender, as well as previous Freelanders, etc, running them into the ground as others have said.

Saw an old-style Defender when out cycling yesterday, which had proper off road tyres, not the bling-bling type almost always fitted to 'modern' LR/RR cars. They are driven by people living in towns and rich people who buy up farms to live in the (significantly upgraded) farmhouse, not becoming active farmers.

In my experience seeing them out and about in my area, most tend to drive proper, non-flashy off roaders with the tyres to match, not 'Sloan Ranger' cars costing £100k+

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Falkirk Bairn

My younger brother worked and then ran a Civil Engineering Consultancy buying out other directors on their retiral. Roughly 100+ employees. Unlike most consultancies they employed their own field staff rather than sub-contracting - cost more but the in-house staff were more reliable and a great plus when it came to new contracts and new customers.

It was always at least 4/5 Defenders to tow equipment & trailers around. Lots of off-road work and for all of the first 25+ years that was the case.

10/12 years ago - all change, the Defenders died off - Isuzu/Mitsubishi /Toyota pickups/SUVs - not a Land Rover to be seen. Cheaper, more reliable ...........

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - expat

Here in Australia farmers and mining companies buy 70 series Landcruisers and Hilux. They never have Land Rovers and that goes back all the 50 years I have been here. Discos and Range Rovers are bought by townies with more money than sense who want to be fashionable and show off. They don't get used out in the bush.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - bazza

A friend has just had the inlet manifold crack, it's plastic, as are many these days. £2000 to fix, apparently they all do it. 12 hour job unbelievably but looking at YouTube can understand it. Pig of a job. Might tackle it with him, not sure!

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - mickyh7

Here in Australia farmers and mining companies buy 70 series Landcruisers and Hilux. They never have Land Rovers and that goes back all the 50 years I have been here. Discos and Range Rovers are bought by townies with more money than sense who want to be fashionable and show off. They don't get used out in the bush.

They say if you want to go into the outback, buy a Land Rover.

If you want to get back, buy a Toyota!

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - pd

I'm sure JLR make better profits selling some Range Rovers in China to people who want a new car every 2 years than the ever will selling worthy but rather dull vehicles to farmers who buy one every 20 years and run it into the ground.

You can hardly blame them for chasing money and profits and trying to provide what the market wants.

The overall reliability of JLR products has been a shame over the last few years as they have been making what in other respects are really nice cars. A great deal of this can indeed be laid at the door of the Ingenium engines which have been nothing but trouble.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Tester

I know one of the men at a local WBAC buying places and had a chat with him about a valuation for the Korando.

He gave me a couple of tips.

However his mate has a 2022 vogue sitting on his drive . He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair.

Zero goodwill forthcoming.

Man at WBAC said. Another one who bought a car on the never never that he could not really afford.

OK, so it's his bad for missing the service, but what???? In what world can any car need a £15,000 repair after only 2 years? I think that I might be living in the wrong universe.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - pd

I know one of the men at a local WBAC buying places and had a chat with him about a valuation for the Korando.

He gave me a couple of tips.

However his mate has a 2022 vogue sitting on his drive . He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair.

Zero goodwill forthcoming.

Man at WBAC said. Another one who bought a car on the never never that he could not really afford.

OK, so it's his bad for missing the service, but what???? In what world can any car need a £15,000 repair after only 2 years? I think that I might be living in the wrong universe.

If under two years old it'll still be under the full manufacturer warranty as well rather than extended.

The lessor probably has recourse to the finance company in this situation bearing in mind the age of the car.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Chris M

From the original post:

"He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair."

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - Maxime.

From the original post:

"He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair."

I read it that as there was a missed service, (for example no oil change) JLR will not cover the repair costs. Harsh Yes, Legal, absolutely. 2 years old and no services. No manufacurer would cover that. See where that would get you with a pug purec*ap 2 years on with no servicing.. or anyone else.

RR Vogue ingenium 2022 - Another missed service catastrophe - pd

From the original post:

"He missed a service with the RR network and has been quoted £15000 for an engine repair."

I read it that as there was a missed service, (for example no oil change) JLR will not cover the repair costs. Harsh Yes, Legal, absolutely. 2 years old and no services. No manufacurer would cover that. See where that would get you with a pug purec*ap 2 years on with no servicing.. or anyone else.

The Range Rover service interval on a 2022 model seems to be 21000 miles or two years? So I presume Land Rover are arguing it's 15k over (i.e. Done 37k mikes)?

Anyway, it's not the lessors car. It belongs to the finance company so it's them they need to be talking to who may take it up with Land Rover.