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R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

A friend's Mini is showing fault code P0087 - Fuel Rail/System Pressure Too Low.

A garage diagnosed an issue with the fuel pump, sent it away for repair, and refitted. It has a slight misfire when started, but it quickly clears, however the MIL is on and the only fault code is P0087. She's contacted them and they have said sounds like plugs or coil packs. Perhaps it is, but wouldn't a different fault code appear?

I know fault codes don't diagnose an issue, but would P0087 be connected to an ignition problem?

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - elekie&a/c doctor
These run a hi pressure fuel pump driven from the camshaft. It’s unlikely that a repaired pump will work correctly on these . What is actually the fuel pressure in live data ?
R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

Thanks elekie.

No idea what the fuel pressure is. When I said a misfire, it's more of a 5-10 second period of lumpy running which then clears.

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Gibbo_Wirral

Guessing the fuel filter has been replaced? Seen this fault go away a lot on Peugeots when the filter was changed

Also look for air in the system - if your fuel system has a priming bulb and it never gets firm, that could be a telltale sign.

Edited by Gibbo_Wirral on 17/07/2024 at 12:34

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

Garage said they changed the filter. She's going to take the car back for further investigation. Whilst the garage aren't Mini specialists, the particular mechanic was recommended as being knowledgeable on them.

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - elekie&a/c doctor
This is a hi pressure petrol engine. There’s no priming bulb on the fuel system. I suspect the “repaired pump” is not up to specifications.
R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

Elekie. You mentioned fuel pressure upthread. What range is acceptable?

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - elekie&a/c doctor
Should be around a minimum of 50 bar at idle .
R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Railroad.

Pumps do not create pressure. They increase the rate of flow (assuming of course there are no reasons why fuel is prevented from entering the pmp). Pressure is created by opposition to flow. A pump is tested by using a flow tester which measures its flow rate over time, eg litres per minute. When pressure is applied, say 50psi the flow rate should maintain its specification. If it drops off then the pump is not performing properly.

If your fuel pressure is low then check the injectors and pressure relief valve in case it's stuck partially open.

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

An update.

The car went back to the garage. It appears it was the high pressure pump which was rebuilt first time round.

After further investigation they said the low pressure fuel relay was running high resistance causing it to not work properly. Another problem they found was the low pressure fuel pump was not working efficiently and isn't feeding the high pressure fuel pump the pressure needed or desired by the ECU.

They offered two avenues to fix, both involved replacing the low pressure fuel pump but the relay repair is where they differed. Either replace the relay within the board (more costly) or introduce an external relay to bypass the internal relay (cheaper).

My friend (who knows little about cars) went for the cheaper option on the understanding it would fix the problem. The garage were "fairly confident".

Nearly two weeks on and the garage report the car still has issues. They've recommended an auto electrician takes a look. My friend doesn't know what to do next.

R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - elekie&a/c doctor
I’m a great believer that “if you don’t know how something works, how can you fix it ? “ . Needs to go to another garage.
R56 Mini Cooper S 2011 - Fault Code P0087 - Chris M

Wise words elekie, but finding a garage that knows what it's doing is not easy.

This Mini is 13 years old and hardly the latest tech. Surely most competent mechanics will have worked on them by now.