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Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

Hi all.

Sorry to join and go straight into asking for help but I'm looking for a pre dpf van with a gross weight of more than 3500kg.

I've been looking for weeks, trying to find info about what is available.

Unfortunately I can't find any sites that give general information, like a list of what was available in this class before about 2010.

I figured that there may be some people on here who remember vans from that era and could give me some advice.

Det

Vans over 3.5 ton - badbusdriver

Well the first thing to bear in mind is just how slim he chances of finding such a van in a serviceable condition. Presumably you want this van for some business use, but with the exception of certain large companies who will keep a van for a set time period, most of those on the market will be so because they are just costing too much money to keep using. That isn't to say there aren't any, but pickings are going to be very slim indeed.

With regards to GVW, most applicable vans will have badging to indicate either payload or GVW.

Considering some vans can have a GVW up to 6500kg, what would be helpful (given how little choice there will be) is to know how much weight you need to carry and how big a load space you need rather than that it simply saying the GVW needs to be more than 3500, which is rather vague. I say that because if you need to carry something which is heavy but isn't physically that big, a SWB low roof 3.5t van will carry as much as 300kg more than an XLWB high roof (with twin rear wheels) 3.5t van.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Steveieb

Can highly recommend the Transit pre DPF but most of this era are beginning to rust quite badly. And have had a clutch and flywheel.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

Hi Steveieb

I do love transits and since it's just for the move don't care about rust. However I don't know much about vans from the early 2000's so don't know what to look for when searching for vans for sale. I've had plenty of vans over the years but always up to 3500kg so need some pointers with what search for

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

Hi Badbusdriver.

I'm moving abroad.

I bought a l3h2 citroen relay because of the load space, then discovered that although everything fitted in, I was 500kg over weight. 2 trips to Bulgaria and back is going to cost a lot of money so I'm trying to do it in one trip.

Whichever van I use will have to be returned to the UK to sell so the relay will have to do 2 round trips or a larger van only one.

I'm looking for a pre dpf owing to the cost and length of time the citroen has been off the road trying to find and fix dpf fault that kept putting it into limp mode.

Vans over 3.5 ton - badbusdriver

I bought a l3h2 citroen relay because of the load space, then discovered that although everything fitted in, I was 500kg over weight. 2 trips to Bulgaria and back is going to cost a lot of money so I'm trying to do it in one trip.

Whichever van I use will have to be returned to the UK to sell so the relay will have to do 2 round trips or a larger van only one.

Couldn't you get a trailer to carry the excess?. Then sell the trailer in Bulgaria (or leave it at your new place) rather than taking it back to the UK along with the Citroen?

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

I hate towing tbh.

But I've already had a quote to fit a tow bar and electrics. It wasn't cheap. I do have a swb transit as well and that has a towbar but I need to carry 1800kg plus myself, my wife and a full tank of fuel so that's not going to work either. Besides, the time I've paid around £1500 for a second hand braked trailer I may as well do two trips.

I forgot to mention, in Bulgaria trailers need their own paperwork just like a car so unless I want to register it there, with all the associated costs and agro, I'd have to bring it back to sell it anyway

Edited by Det on 01/07/2024 at 17:29

Vans over 3.5 ton - badbusdriver

It is a tricky one and I fear the simple lack of availability is going to mean you have to compromise somewhere.

Setting aside the availability for the moment, interior space also has the potential to scupper your plans depending on just how much space was left over in the van you bought. It has a vast amount of interior space, partly because of its length, but also because of it being front wheel drive and having the extra high roof. Now even assuming you found a lwb/xlwb high roof van with the GVW you need, it isn't going to have the volume of interior space the big Citroen Relay does. Because it has a bigger GVW it will be rear wheel drive. As such it will have less interior height (fwd allows a lower floor) and on top of this it will also have twin rear wheels, the which will compromise interior space in the back even further.

Going back to availability, having a look on Autotrader shows a grand total of one pre-2010 big vans with a GVW of more than 3500kg, this VW LT 46 (4.6t) 202405260100753

There are a few minibuses which could suit though, but obviously all rear seats would need to be removed (and disposed of), plus probably blanking off rear windows for security. A minibus could well be a better choice though as they will generally have lead a much easier life than a van!.

Edited by badbusdriver on 01/07/2024 at 18:39

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

It's a difficult one I grant. I don't know how delivery companies manage. As I said though I only need to carry 1800kg plus 170kg for me and my wife. A 90ltr tank adds another 75kg so a total of 2045. There must be a large van out there that can carry that.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

Space wise I'd like 15m3

Vans over 3.5 ton - badbusdriver

Assuming your license allows, might a 7.5t truck be an option?

Slightly scruffy but (allegedly) maintained regardless of cost Post Office 7.5t box trucks available under £3k.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

I can drive up to 7.5t on my licence but I'm not sure about about something that heavy. Seems a bit overkill.

Edited by Det on 01/07/2024 at 19:47

Vans over 3.5 ton - badbusdriver

I can drive up to 7.5t on my licence but I'm not sure about about something that heavy. Seems a bit overkill.

But you can drive them legally, they are pretty cheap, but (most importantly) they are available.

IMO, using a 7.5t truck rather than a 5-6.5t van isn't overkill (they aren't hard to drive and aren't that much bigger than an xlwb van). One time when when I was a child and we moved house, my Dad got a loan of the 32 tonne 4 axle tipper truck he drove for a living, that was overkill!

Up to you though.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

It's worth considering. I'll have a look round

Vans over 3.5 ton - gordonbennet

BBD's got it once again, 7.5 ton box van will have no or minimal if any wheelarch intrusions inside the body which will be a huge bonus for loading, and the vehicle might be easily sold on at your destination.

One point regardless of what you buy, make doubly sure you have the loading door(s) seriously padlocked for the return journey, if even one illegal immigrant sneaks in or manages to cling on underneath and is found on arrival back in Blighty the fine(s) are eye watering for commercial vehicles...and check the roof and floor of the van/truck body just prior to getting on the train/ferry, usually thin roofed so easily broken through.

Edited by gordonbennet on 02/07/2024 at 06:05

Vans over 3.5 ton - Steveieb

Have you looked into renting a van or even getting a quote from a removal company ?

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

I've had quotes from removal companies, they're eye-watering. And hiring comes to about £1700 from the local van hire companies per trip. Part of my problem is where I am, n e Scotland, and where I'm going, s e Bulgaria. Both locations are the back of beyond from the point of view of removals companies.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

I hadn't even considered the possibility of someone sneaking into the back. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Ian_SW

Is there a possibility to package up / palletise the excess 500kg of stuff which can't be carried in the Citroen Van, and just use the existing van for the rest?

If it can be carried as freight on a combined load, rather than by a house movers it should be a lot cheaper to move.

Also, if this is a one-off trip, surely suffering having to tow a small box trailer would be a lot less hassle than buying an aged truck specifically for the purpose. You can hire a 1000kg payload box trailer for a week for a couple of hundred pounds, and unlike a car/van hire they are less picky where they are taken.

Vans over 3.5 ton - Det

Hi Ian

I did consider the trailer option but the citroen doesn't have a towbar at the moment and the quotes I've had to fit one have been pretty high. I've also been in touch with a couple of companies this week to get quotes for taking the excess but no answers yet. That would be my preference though.