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I'd like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you. It's definitely the Toyota I'd like, but I can't decide on the 'little' Aygo or the Cross. They're both the same sized engine, both cost the same to insure and tax, but the Cross' tyres look huge. Would they be pricey to replace if I have to in the future? I think that's the only stumbling block.
Thank you in advance.
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The X has an extra 9cm of wheelbase over the "old" Aygo which should translate to increased interior room (usually rear leg or boot). Overall it's ~23cm longer.
If you stick to an X trim level with 17" wheels premium brand tyres are currently £100 plus or minus £20 depending upon exactly what (& no doubt where) you buy.
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If you were a high mileage driver then the price of tyres would be a major consideration, but if you only need new tyres every say 5 years and there's a £100/150 price difference between the two sizes then that would hardly be a world shattering difference to pay for having the car you prefer.
Tyres are a subject all of their own, i'll just add a little anecdote here.
Some 18 months ago a set of new Goodyears was fitted to a family Golf, as bad luck would have it 6 months later the car hit a kerb and destroyed one of the front tyres, which was replaced by some Chinese make due to emergency purchase, i saw the car last week and as i always do (for the fair maidens in my family) had a check around the car, the replacement tyre is wearing faster than the Goodyear opposite, the message being buy half decent tyres and so long as they don't get damaged they tend to last longer.
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Aww....thank you so much. You've helped a lot. Very good advice ;-)
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May I ask please about insurance? As learnt by Martin Lewis, it is best to get insurance 3 weeks before the date of renewal/purchase. Does that mean I buy a car, then have to wait 3 weeks to drive it, to wait for a good deal on insurance?
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Is your existing insurance due for renewal? If not then you would face costs in changing insurer mid policy. Three weeks is not applicable when putting a new car on an existing policy, it’s only for renewal quote purposes.
Edited by catsdad on 12/06/2024 at 08:44
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Thank you, catsdad. I renewed my insurance with the AA in May with my current Citroen C1 cool, but now as I'd like another car, the AA have quoted £900 for a newer car, but I have seen cheaper deals with other insurers; £474 for example.
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Are you sure AA recognised you as an existing customer simply changing their car? Although you don’t say what you paid in May another £900 seems excessive. I wonder if wires are crossed somewhere. For example did you provide details of a real car to generate the quotes. If not maybe they quote a high price to cover the uncertainty of a partly unknown car.
If you really have valid “like for like” quotes and do go to another reputable company you will not get a full refund for the remaining part of your existing policy. They will refund less than the pro-rata remaining months of cover.
I have no experience of changing an insurer mid-term but no doubt it can be done albeit cancellation costs of the existing policy will eat into any saving. I would first check with the AA that the price you have is correct and what refund you will get if you cancel.
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The X has an extra 9cm of wheelbase over the "old" Aygo which should translate to increased interior room (usually rear leg or boot). Overall it's ~23cm longer.
The extra wheelbase and overall length has been given over more or less entirely to the boot which is now 231 litres (not far off 100 more than the OP's C1) and front seat occupants. Potential rear seat passengers have been ignored completely as it is very tight back there, the rear door apertures are small and the doors themselves don't open very wide. Yes it is a very small car so one shouldn't expect palatial accommodation in the back, but Suzuki have provided massively more rear seat space in the Ignis than the Aygo X, and have done so with an identical wheelbase and overall length. The Ignis also has a bigger boot, and all bar the bottom of the range trim level has sliding rear seats to give more flexibility on how best to divvy up rear seat/boot space.
I don't dislike the Aygo X, it's a funky looking little thing and I have no doubt nothing will go wrong with it. Which is all well and good assuming you don't need to fit adults in the back on occasion (they won't thank you!). If you do, the Ignis is hands down a better choice (and is what I'd go for).
the AA have quoted £900 for a newer car
Yikes!
Assuming that is for the Aygo X, it's a crazy price for a little thing like that with a n/a 1.0 engine!
Edited by badbusdriver on 12/06/2024 at 19:37
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‘ Assuming that is for the Aygo X, it's a crazy price for a little thing like that with a n/a 1.0 engine!’
Off topic, but a conversation with a 19 year old service advisor from a dealership this week - he’d had a basic Fiesta, and subsequently paid a large amount for insurance. So he sold it and bought a series 2 MX-5. Reduced his premium by half. The MX-5 is presumably viewed as lower risk than a Fiesta for a young driver.
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but Suzuki have provided massively more rear seat space in the Ignis than the Aygo X, and have done so with an identical wheelbase and overall length. The Ignis also has a bigger boot, and all bar the bottom of the range trim level has sliding rear seats to give more flexibility on how best to divvy up rear seat/boot space
. If you do, the Ignis is hands down a better choice (and is what I'd go for).
One thing I don't like about the Ignis is all of the white interior plastic (otherwise, it would be a car I would consider when my E46 320d Touring finally gives up).
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but Suzuki have provided massively more rear seat space in the Ignis than the Aygo X, and have done so with an identical wheelbase and overall length. The Ignis also has a bigger boot, and all bar the bottom of the range trim level has sliding rear seats to give more flexibility on how best to divvy up rear seat/boot space
. If you do, the Ignis is hands down a better choice (and is what I'd go for).
One thing I don't like about the Ignis is all of the white interior plastic (otherwise, it would be a car I would consider when my E46 320d Touring finally gives up).
I'm pretty sure they've not all got white bits
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but Suzuki have provided massively more rear seat space in the Ignis than the Aygo X, and have done so with an identical wheelbase and overall length. The Ignis also has a bigger boot, and all bar the bottom of the range trim level has sliding rear seats to give more flexibility on how best to divvy up rear seat/boot space
. If you do, the Ignis is hands down a better choice (and is what I'd go for).
One thing I don't like about the Ignis is all of the white interior plastic (otherwise, it would be a car I would consider when my E46 320d Touring finally gives up).
I'm pretty sure they've not all got white bits
Actually none have an all white interior (which sounds awful), so not sure what Di Sisti is on about?
Pre-facelift (like we had) cars have the lower part of the dashboard and door trims in white, but that is all. Horse for course and all that, but IMO that is better than the all black of the facelifted cars because it lightens the interior.
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Actually none have an all white interior (which sounds awful), so not sure what Di Sisti is on about?
Pre-facelift (like we had) cars have the lower part of the dashboard and door trims in white, but that is all. Horse for course and all that, but IMO that is better than the all black of the facelifted cars because it lightens the interior.
I said 'all of the white' (refering to the white parts of the interior, on the models I have looked at on-line), not 'all-white' interior. Hope that makes things clearer.
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Actually none have an all white interior (which sounds awful), so not sure what Di Sisti is on about?
Pre-facelift (like we had) cars have the lower part of the dashboard and door trims in white, but that is all. Horse for course and all that, but IMO that is better than the all black of the facelifted cars because it lightens the interior.
I said 'all of the white' (refering to the white parts of the interior, on the models I have looked at on-line), not 'all-white' interior. Hope that makes things clearer.
Aah, apologies.
But as I mentioned, facelifted cars (mid 2020 on) don't have the white trim.
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Good morning everyone.
I just wanted to update you. I have put down a deposit for an Aygo Cross! I did it! My mum came with me (bless her) and it was at a proper Toyota dealer/showroom. The salesman let us test drive it on our own without him being present - phew! My CitroenC1 is deteriorating rapidly so it had to happen.
What I would like to know please is the payment side. It seems I can only pay for it either by bank transfer or debit card. It says you can only pay a maximum amount on your credit card, but I want to pay it all on my credit card as I have more protection/rights and I always learned to pay by credit card for this reason for any big purchase, especially. I'd like to know your thoughts please?
Thank you in advance ??
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For the section 75 protection, you do not have to use the card for the full purchase price, just use it for a part of the total.
www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/section75-protec.../
Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 11/08/2024 at 10:27
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It’s very common, if not universal, that main dealers will have a limit on credit card purchases. They have to pay higher fees to the bank on these compared to other payment methods. As Brit says it doesn’t affect your protection if you part pay.
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For the section 75 protection, you do not have to use the card for the full purchase price, just use it for a part of the total.
www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/section75-protec.../
Hopefully, the op paid the deposit using a credit card in which case they will already be covered.
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Thank you everyone. I have learnt so much. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to answer ??
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Thank you everyone. I have learnt so much. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to answer ??
I'd be interested to learn what you think of the car once you've had it a few weeks, maybe you could let us know?
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Of course I will! Do I need to take out insurance on the day of collection or will they provide a day's insurance for me to drive it home and will I need to take out road tax on the day of collection? I will ask these questions when the car is ready, but it would be handy to know beforehand. Thank you!
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Of course I will! Do I need to take out insurance on the day of collection or will they provide a day's insurance for me to drive it home and will I need to take out road tax on the day of collection? I will ask these questions when the car is ready, but it would be handy to know beforehand. Thank you!
They cannot tax the car without insurance. It needs sorting.
After all this worry you don't want 6 points and a fine on your way home for no insurance or worse still have an accident and have to foot the repair bill yourself (worse still if its a write off).
Its easy enough, simply transfer your insurance onto the new car, all insurers I have dealt with allow overlap.
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Thank you. Sorry I'm new to this. I've always got old bangers in the past and the mechanic then just did it all for me (except the insurance of course). I can't even remember how it works - so long ago.
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Of course I will! Do I need to take out insurance on the day of collection or will they provide a day's insurance for me to drive it home and will I need to take out road tax on the day of collection? I will ask these questions when the car is ready, but it would be handy to know beforehand. Thank you!
It depends. some can provide short term insurance but they should talk you through all this. Once you have a registration no. for the car (which they should know in advance) you can arrange your own insurance.
Generally, as a new car they should include the first year VED in the quoted price, but again get them to confirm.
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Hi! Thank you. The car is two years old. I paid the deposit on Friday and just waiting to be contacted for collection. I'm part excited, part scared to death!
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The car must be taxed before you can drive off.
Paying for Road Tax involves a check on the Insurance - NO insurance = NO Road tax and the car sits on the forecourt
Get your insurance organised before going to the garage.
The garage will do the Road Tax on-line while you wait, all you need is your Bank Card / Credit card to pay the cost.
Good luck
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Firstly congratulations on finally finding a car, hope it serves you well, secondly before you pay the balance have a good look round it, check under the bonnet etc and make sure your completely happy, if they agreed to service it make sure its been done.
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Thank you both. Deep breath........
Edited by Mich52 on 13/08/2024 at 09:07
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I've had it two days now. I'm besotted with it and at the same time overwhelmed by it. I'm still learning. I can't believe the modernity of it compared to my 17 yo Citroen.
So far, the only bug bear is when I placed the deposit down, and after I'd asked if they gave any discount and said no, he did say he could throw in a full tank of fuel, which he didn't. It wasn't until I drove off I realised it was half full. I did email them stating this, but nothing back so far.
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Glad to hear you are happy with the car and yes, it will take a bit of acclimatisation!
As annoying as the missing fuel is, it is a very efficient car, so I wouldn't be too bothered about it.
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That’s a good choice of car and I hope you have many good years with it.
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Have the annual (10k) service done by a Toyota dealer and you've got another 8 years warranty too. ??
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Thank you for your good wishes and others on here too.
They wanted me to take out this monthly service plan or other, but I prefer to pay in one lump sum when the time comes.
On the day of collection, I got my receipt (cash payment). I’m waiting for the logbook to come, paid my insurance, year's road tax. I need to go back to them to work out the app side of things this weekend.
I was wondering though (and something I didn't check with the handover) how much is left on the warranty and how much time I have for free breakdown recovery? Does anyone know who to ask, as I didn't get any paperwork related to this?
Thank you again in advance and to all those who have helped me on here. I appreciate it more than you could know.
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I was wondering though (and something I didn't check with the handover) how much is left on the warranty and how much time I have for free breakdown recovery? Does anyone know who to ask, as I didn't get any paperwork related to this?
Well done for reaching the end of your assault course ! Surely it would (should) be safest to direct these questions to the selling dealer, preferably the salesman who closed your deal, or his boss. There is probably quite a lot of small print too.
If you are interested in the future resale value of the car (you may not be, as you keep them for decades) you should remember the theoretical value of keeping with Toyota servicing. But if your dealer is not conveniently near, it may make sense (after a few years) to get that work done by a reliable independent nearer home.
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I was wondering though (and something I didn't check with the handover) how much is left on the warranty and how much time I have for free breakdown recovery? Does anyone know who to ask, as I didn't get any paperwork related to this?
If it was originally delivered after 1st of June 2021 it will have come with a 3 year factory warranty. However, it can be kept in Toyota warranty up to 10 years & 11 months by dealer servicing at appropriate intervals, subject to a 100k mile limit.
Afaik, if it is a Toyota Approved car it should come with 1 year roadside assistance.
However, absolutely check this with your dealer or, if they are not forthcoming, Toyota GB customer service.
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Thank you. I just want it in writing. I'm surprised I didn't get any written docs.
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I'm surprised I didn't get any written docs.
So am I. Make sure you get all of them, especially bill of sale. You need the small print so you can check it.
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I meant my thoughts entirely :-)
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I've had a whole host of problems since purchasing my car; so much so I wish I'd never bought it now! First, I took out insurance for it starting from the day of collection of the car, then the next day I was driving along the motorway (just 3 miles in), when a stone flipped up and cracked the entire windscreen. I thought, "That's OK, my insurance will cover that", but no it didn't because I only took out bronze cover and I had to pay £1500 yesterday for a new windscreen. Now, when I drive it it's rattly and noisy, which wasn't like it when I drove off from the forecourt. The dealer I bought it from is quite a way away, so I'll have to take it to another dealer for inspection, closer to home. Wish I hadn't bothered now buying one. Everything's gone wrong since I bought it ??????. If this keeps up I'll have to get a refund for it as it's only two weeks in and I've two weeks left if I want to return it ??
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£1500 for a windscreen… good grief! If the rattles started after the windscreen broke, it could be that there are still broken bits of glass rattling around the car.
I thought most car insurance ( not your warranty) included windscreen cover these days for a cost of around £100?
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No in my case sadly. I've learnt the hard way.
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I thought most car insurance ( not your warranty) included windscreen cover these days for a cost of around £100?
My cover (LV=) includes windscreen with an excess of £95, IIRC. I suppose it may be an option, but I think that's unusual.
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I've had a whole host of problems since purchasing my car; so much so I wish I'd never bought it now! First, I took out insurance for it starting from the day of collection of the car, then the next day I was driving along the motorway (just 3 miles in), when a stone flipped up and cracked the entire windscreen. I thought, "That's OK, my insurance will cover that", but no it didn't because I only took out bronze cover and I had to pay £1500 yesterday for a new windscreen. Now, when I drive it it's rattly and noisy, which wasn't like it when I drove off from the forecourt. The dealer I bought it from is quite a way away, so I'll have to take it to another dealer for inspection, closer to home. Wish I hadn't bothered now buying one. Everything's gone wrong since I bought it ??????. If this keeps up I'll have to get a refund for it as it's only two weeks in and I've two weeks left if I want to return it ??
Sorry to hear of this.
You say that everything's gone wrong since you bought it, but only mention the insurance, broken windscreen and the rattles caused by either the broken windscreen or the fitting of the replacement.
None of these issues are the fault of the dealer (i'm assuming the dealer didn't replace the screen. Or did they?)
If the dealer didn't replace the screen, then why should they take the car back?
Also, the car is now in worse condition (with its rattles) than when you picked it up. Why should the dealer take it back after it has been damaged while in your possession.
Afraid this is the pitfalls of car ownership. However, hopefully the dealer can figure out the cause of the rattles.
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I've had a whole host of problems since purchasing my car; so much so I wish I'd never bought it now!
An example of the dictum that it may be a cheaper option to maintain the car you know - even if it is middle-aged or older - than to swap it for something newer but unknown ... :-(
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I know. Wish I'd kept with my old one now. But then again, I do have warranty on it so they are obliged to fix it.
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Yes, for a manufacturing defect.
If the new noises are as a result of the windscreen breakage/replacement, then you need to get back to whoever did that.
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The noise is coming from underneath.
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Sorry to hear of your problems, but I cant help thinking that none of these is directly because you have bought a bad car, so there is no reason to consider rejection.
The windscreen getting hit by a stone is simply bad luck. Had you been in your old car, the screen would still have needed replacing, albeit for (probably) less cost to you. But that leads on to what (IMO) was the only actual "problem", your insurance, which didn't cover, or at least contribute to, the replacement windscreen cost. So I'd suggest updating/changing insurance to something which does.
The rattle?, well if it only started after the replacement windscreen was fitted, it most surely be related. My suggestion for a possible cause (without having heard the rattle) is that during the removal process, some small bits of broken glass fell down through the engine compartment and is now rattling about on a plastic undertray of some kind.
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Mich, regarding the windscreen you should have posted before being stung for that cost, too late now but for windscreen purchases not involving insurance every area has a windscreen fitter or two that generally do all the fitments for the car trade and often truck screens too, nothing at all to do with the big names in screens, i've had several screens fitted by the local people here over the years, some screens are so cheap its simply not worth getting the insurance screen claim registered against you.
Anyway, the screen getting hit is hardly the fault of the new car or the dealer who sold it to you, indeed its quite possible the dealer who sold you the car would have put you in touch with the fitters who do their fittings and repairs seeing as you chose the wrong insurance cover.
Edited by gordonbennet on 28/08/2024 at 16:32
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some small bits of broken glass fell down through the engine compartment and is now rattling about on a plastic undertray of some kind.
Or some bits fell through the heater vents and are rattling somewhere within the dash.
Either way its not the sellers problem to sort. Its between you and the screen fitter.
PS Non genuine Toyota screens seem to be about £280 inc VAT + fitting. They really saw you coming.
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Thanks, everyone. I should've said the noise is when I accelerate only. Sorry.
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From the Toyota Forum.
When I had the windscreen replaced they forgot to put back the bonnet prop....had to get the AA out.
Don't you just love it when the OP does not have the decency to post when the issue has been solved.
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From the Toyota Forum.
When I had the windscreen replaced they forgot to put back the bonnet prop....had to get the AA out.
Don't you just love it when the OP does not have the decency to post when the issue has been solved.
Maybe not that surprising given your (ahem) "tactful" response to the windscreen debacle:
Non genuine Toyota screens seem to be about £280 inc VAT + fitting. They really saw you coming.
Just to clarify, In addition the thread title, the OP says in first post, "I am a lone shy woman and I don't have anyone with car knowledge to go with me to buy a car"
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No wonder the AA is so expensive if it attends for rattles rather than breakdowns. I wonder if it means the owner hadn’t actually looked under the bonnet to see if broken glass was to blame for the noises. She would presumably have found the loose prop if she had.
Anyway it takes all sorts and hopefully she will now relax and enjoy many years of untroubled Toyota ownership.
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Most on here are going to be fairly technical, it's the audience that a forum like this will typically attract. If your car is making a strange noise then I think it's reasonable to call for assistance if you have no clue about cars. I don't think my brother would be any different in the situation the OP faced - I doubt he would even know whether his car was FWD or RWD.
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Thank you - here's hoping. I'm in love with my car, but it's been pricey thus far! Thank you to all who have helped me on here xx
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Thank you - here's hoping. I'm in love with my car, but it's been pricey thus far! Thank you to all who have helped me on here xx
Stick with it, it will be a good and reliable wee car, just make sure and update your insurance to include windscreen cover (though of course it will probably never happen again).
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Yes, I have. I feel the fool. It's only an extra £15 per year as well. I've certainly learnt the very hard way. Yes, the AA said Toyota cars are "pretty good cars". I have printed off my insurance policy and it states now I'm covered! Thanks again :-)
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On the subject of Toyota cars. It’s taken me 60 years of motoring to finally own a Toyota . I’ve never liked the styling . But my RAV 4 is my second car and over 21 years old and I now realise why they are so popular I all over the world . They are so well made , even the cable connectors are pot cored in resin to stop a heavy handed mechanic pulling the cable adrift.
I now realise what a problem free motoring life I would have had if I had chosen Toyota over the years instead of a string of VW , Audi and Ford cars! But at my time of life reliability takes priority especially when getting a car fixed involves big bills and long waits for parts and service availability.
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So interesting reading - though I don't understand car terminology :-O . I'm glad I seemed to have chosen such a reputable car.
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I now realise what a problem-free motoring life I would have had if I had chosen Toyota over the years instead of a string of VW, Audi and Ford cars! .
An interesting comment. I could say the same after more than 30 years owning Peugeots, despite the occasional gainsayers on here. :-) Even during the 20 years before that, owning BL/BMC products, I can't recall any serious failures. I must just have been lucky .... tho I have to admit that I never depended on a car for work or commuting.
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Over 40 new / nearly new cars in 57 years of driving.
1995 - complete change from the usual Ford/Vauxhall/Peugeot - our 1st Japanese car (made in USA) sold 2003 93K and really no repairs and "never left at the roadside"
Succession of Hondas, 1 Nissan Mk1 Xtrail, and a gem of a Mazda Xedos .............
The Xedos was under £1000 repairs in 15 years - mostly rubber perishing+ 3x callipers - no "real repairs"
The last CRV (Swindon) was a front spring (pothole) and perished bushes- total under £100 in 11 years (No warranty repairs other than recall on airbag).
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