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Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Well the new transport has arrived. A 47,000 mile 2018 Mercedes C200 SE Executive Estate auto has now pushed old Terrance the Toyota to the back of the driveway. Initial impression are positive. It rides very well, unlike most modern cars. It managed just over 50mpg coming over from Edinburgh and it has plenty of go when required - a rare thing with me.

The seats are soft and comfortable, the gear change smooth and it feels like it’ll be a good place to sooth away longer runs in which is really what it’s for. It’s much more refined than the old Avensis and far more efficient. It’s also been very well cared for with only one minor scratch that is really hard to spot. The car is very pleasing to look at inside and out.

However I don’t think the quality behind the scenes is as good as the old Brit built Jap car. The bonnet release catch came off in my hand when I tried to get under the hood while giving it a polish and check over tonight. Quick Look online reveals that it’s a regular occurrence on these. Groping around down there trying to pop the thing back into place revealed some very poor quality plastics more akin to food packaging than a £40k car.

Hopefully I don’t have to haul myself back over to the other side of the country to have it fixed, the warranty should be honoured by our local Merc dealer.

Edited by SLO76 on 22/04/2024 at 21:41

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - DavidGlos
So what engine is that then SLO? Feels like a long while since Merc and BMW badges actually told you what was under the bonnet!

Is it a 2.0 petrol 4-pot? Turbocharged?
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Know what you mean, but in this occasion it is actually a 2.0 turbo that lurks under that firmly closed bonnet. Plenty of pep and good on fuel. All you need really and chucks out the same emissions as a Honda Jazz 1.4.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - DavidGlos
That sounds promising. And I assume it’s a Merc engine and not a Renault engine masquerading as a German powerplant as happens with some of their units e.g the 1.5 dCi diesel. / 180d.

Colleague at work has just chopped in a C-Class C200 saloon which was about 5 years old for a 1 year old C300. Reckoned there were bits starting to fall off the older model that necessitated the change! Think it might also have been linked to a reasonable bonus at financial year end in reality. He used to be a Mazda guy, so perhaps it was a shock to have bits of trim dropping off?!

Edited by DavidGlos on 22/04/2024 at 22:26

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
The quality isn’t what it was, though it’s an improvement on the last C class I was in.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - elekie&a/c doctor
Sadly that’s the way of all manufacturers now . The last good C class was the W202 chassis series .
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Sadly that’s the way of all manufacturers now . The last good C class was the W202 chassis series .

Solidly built and mechanically simple things, my dad had two two of them. Sadly rust protection wasn’t what it should’ve been, his C180 Eoegance was looking rather tatty by the time it got to 13yrs old. The last proper Merc was the 124 Series E class in my opinion.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - paul 1963

Nice car SLO, although silver isn't my colour of choice, wonder of its worth getting it protected underneath? Hope it serves you well.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - nellyjak

Agree SLO...the W124 is probably the only Merc I'd buy.

If it does half as well as Terence then you'll not have done too badly I guess.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Local main dealer happily rectified faulty bonnet release catch on Monday without quibble or charge. Closer inspection of the car shows far superior rust protection than the old Toyota or the Mazda 6 I was aiming to buy. Many of the suspension components and much of the under bonnet metalwork is alloy or galvanised steel. If it proves mechanically robust then it should last. Fingers crossed.

The little time I’ve spent behind the wheel has been pleasant, it’s a very comfortable thing, it rides properly unlike many modern cars yet it doesn’t feel wooden to drive like Merc’s of old. Bags of torque and a sofa like seat make it ideal for longer runs, and SWMBO and her mother like it.

Happy so far.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
No issues so far, car is performing without issue. It’s very comfortable, rides very well and fuel economy is very similar to the much less power Toyota which it replaces at circa 42mpg average - over 50mpg on a run with care. I’m still walking past it every morning to take the Leaf to work and for most of my usage however, it’s just so relaxing to drive and costs buttons to run at 6.9p p/kwh overnight.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - craig-pd130

That's really good economy for a turbo 2-litre. A long while ago I had a 1999 Volvo V40 2.0T (the light-pressure turbo version of the T4, with 170bhp) with a manual box. I would get low 30s mpg on a long run if I was lucky. It went very well but it didn't half like a drink.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76

That's really good economy for a turbo 2-litre. A long while ago I had a 1999 Volvo V40 2.0T (the light-pressure turbo version of the T4, with 170bhp) with a manual box. I would get low 30s mpg on a long run if I was lucky. It went very well but it didn't half like a drink.

It’s very tall geared, auto box has 9 gears, it won’t typically go into 9th until you’re doing 70mph and it’s almost idling at that speed in top. Very efficient thing, but I don’t get the feeling of solidity and durability you used to get from a Merc.

Edited by SLO76 on 05/08/2024 at 00:16

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Called our local main s****** for a price to carry out a major service on the Merc this morning, couldn’t contain my laughter as the poor soul on the other end of the phone quoted £739 to change the oil, filter, cabin filter, brake fluid and spark plugs. I was expecting it to be around £350-£400 but their greed surprised me. They won’t ever see this car now, though I expect a battle should I have to claim under the warranty for anything despite the specialist carrying out the same service using Merc parts.

Awaiting on our two local Merc specialists getting back to me with prices and will report back. Seems main dealers are turning to their service departments to try and offset the drop in new car sales they’re suffering from as more and more people lease.

Car is otherwise performing without fault. It’s comfy and pleasant to drive. But a used big battery 62kw Nissan Leaf that doesn’t need servicing and going through this nonsense every year is appealing, it’s actually bigger inside too.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
First specialist quote is £384, almost half the price and that’s using Merc fluids and parts.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - elekie&a/c doctor
Mercedes genuine service parts are usually very keenly priced , it their labour rate that ramps up the final price. Our local dealer is over £200 p/h
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Oli rag

Glad you're still liking the car SLO, although there's a hint of regret in your comments about a 62kw leaf.

The dealership service charges are just daft, no wonder people go to their local independent for services.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76

Glad you're still liking the car SLO, although there's a hint of regret in your comments about a 62kw leaf.

The dealership service charges are just daft, no wonder people go to their local independent for services.

It’s a good car, one of those rare things these days - a car that rides properly. It’s soft and spongy, rolls a bit on corners but it’s very comfortable with bags of low speed torque. Only criticisms are a lack of space (its smaller inside than the Leaf) and some poor interior trim. Underneath it’s a quality item with alloy used in place of steel suspension components and in areas of the bodywork which would be susceptible to rot. I do still walk by it to take the Leaf however so a bigger battery example would very much appeal, especially at the silly prices they’re going for now. You could buy one and just run it without ever “servicing it” and thus save a fortune including fuel costs. Was reading about a fella with a 40kwh Leaf that has 205k up and still has all 12 bars SOC showing of its original capacity. His costs were minimal with really only tyres needing changed and one set of discs and pads.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - expat

Doesn't the Leaf use a different plug from the majority of electric cars meaning that not all public chargers can be used?

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - corax

Doesn't the Leaf use a different plug from the majority of electric cars meaning that not all public chargers can be used?

Yes, best as a runaround and home charging. I have a customer that only uses it for that purpose.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76

Doesn't the Leaf use a different plug from the majority of electric cars meaning that not all public chargers can be used?

It uses the less common CHAdeMO fast charger plug, but we don’t really find any issues finding one when we do need one despite being less common - most sites have them and as fewer EV’s use them they’re usually unoccupied. It also uses the same type 2 connector for 7kw charging as any other EV. We largely home charge it, very very rarely will it see a fast charger because they’re grotesquely overpriced and frequent fast charging is detrimental to the battery over time. The Leaf is outstanding value partly because of its Betamax fast charger connector.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Mercedes genuine service parts are usually very keenly priced , it their labour rate that ramps up the final price. Our local dealer is over £200 p/h

So it seems, specialist quoted two prices, one using equivalent quality parts and the other using Merc parts, only £12 between them.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Orb>>.

A Colleague of youngrovergirl has a R reg Volvo V70 awd. andIt goes to the Volvo dealer for servicing !!!

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76

A Colleague of youngrovergirl has a R reg Volvo V70 awd. andIt goes to the Volvo dealer for servicing !!!

Be costing more than it’s worth to change the oil every year.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - mcb100
Pretty sure that M-B in Glasgow had the most expensive retail labour rate in the UK.
Not sure who holds the title now.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Pretty sure that M-B in Glasgow had the most expensive retail labour rate in the UK. Not sure who holds the title now.

Possibly M-B Ayr… £739 for a service, or “we can offer you a service plan for only £60 a month Mr Sloan.” Click… Called second Merc specialist this morning and they’re doing it for £380 using Merc parts and they have access to Merc’s online service record so they could see what’s been done to it. The plugs the dealer wanted to charge me for had been done last year by M-B Edinburgh for example. I’d say Ayr are a place I won't be using.

Edited by Xileno on 10/10/2024 at 14:47

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Falkirk Bairn

Mercedes is owned by Pendragon - AKA Stratstone/Evans Halshaw/Carstore

£4Bn turnover and makes about £60m profit

You would think turning over big bucks and charging megabucks for Services etc it would be a lot more. In the past decades they expended by paying Big Bucks for smaller chains.

Apparently assets are modest compared to turnover and the whole dealer stock are financed/ manufacturer stock rather than owned and all premises etc etc are rented.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - paul 1963

That does seem expensive tbh, just wonder if getting it serviced outside the dealer network will effect any warranty though?

May be worth whipping a plug out just to check they were actually changed, worn plugs can cause coil pack issues, and like most modern cars they do need the correct oil....

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - elekie&a/c doctor
Service kit for this from an MB on line dealer is £140 . Filters , spark plugs and MB oil
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Big John

Apparently assets are modest compared to turnover and the whole dealer stock are financed/ manufacturer stock rather than owned and all premises etc etc are rented.

I agree with that. When we bought our son's 2016 Octavia from Evans back in 2019 we had to chase re HPI check showing dealer finance against it. Having said that it's been a fabulous car.

Edited by Big John on 12/10/2024 at 23:44

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Adampr

Mercedes is owned by Pendragon - AKA Stratstone/Evans Halshaw/Carstore

£4Bn turnover and makes about £60m profit

You would think turning over big bucks and charging megabucks for Services etc it would be a lot more. In the past decades they expended by paying Big Bucks for smaller chains.

Apparently assets are modest compared to turnover and the whole dealer stock are financed/ manufacturer stock rather than owned and all premises etc etc are rented.

1.5% profit in turnover is pretty r******. Looking into it a bit, it seems their shareholders agreed and the entire automotive bit was sold to an American firm in February. Possibly the cause of their recent decline.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - expat
Pretty sure that M-B in Glasgow had the most expensive retail labour rate in the UK. Not sure who holds the title now.

That will be what they are charging. Very different from what they are paying the mechanics. They are probably on minimum wages.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - mcb100
Not really.
There’s a shortage of good technicians at the moment - I’m going so far as to say they can name their price, but pay will reflect experience.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - SLO76
Not really. There’s a shortage of good technicians at the moment - I’m going so far as to say they can name their price, but pay will reflect experience.

A huge problem in my area thanks to the aircraft engineering and manufacturing plants clustered around Prestwick airport hoovering up anyone with mechanical experience and qualifications. Every garage including the workshops in both bud companies I’ve worked for are desperately short of mechanics. They often have to pay freelance guys to fill in at very strong money. It’s possibly why main dealers nearby are particularly expensive and often booked solid for many weeks ahead.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Steveieb

Luckily we have an independent here in Northamptonshire who I has been in the business 50/years so there’s not much that he doesn’t know about MB.

He is so much in demand that the wait there can be just as long.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - pd

On the subject of the 62kwh LEAF I've just had one in with 127k on the clock and an ex taxi.

89.7% battery state of health according to Leafspy and I bet most of the loss was in the first year. Had plenty of fast charges as well. Also of note is that the car in general shows virtually no wear at all and feels no different to a 20k example.

The only thing I'd say against the LEAF is that it is showing its age a bit. It's a 13 year old design and it does show in some areas particularly the rather average road manners and noisy ride which is slightly increased on the 62 model.

High mileage examples are beginning to look very good value though.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - mcb100
‘ 89.7% battery state of health’

You can bet your bottom dollar that a 127K mile old ICE will have less than 89.7% of its original power.
Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Robert J.

But the fuel tank and range will be the same.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - pd

But the fuel tank and range will be the same.

That may well be true but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is that a high mileage leaf, famous as the EV with the worst battery degredation of all with no active cooling, used and abused as a taxi and almost constantly fast charged still has 90% left at nearly 130k miles and should have plenty more miles in it.

The idea was to possibly reassure people (like me) who usually buy used and usually cheaper high mileage cars that the future in an EV world isn't necessarily bleak and to make a comment on the leaf 62 in particular which was mentioned above.

Edited by pd on 17/10/2024 at 08:48

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - Robert J.

Fair enough. It was the comment about the EV’s modest loss of its ability to hold a a charge (and so a modest loss of range) and an ice having a small loss of engine power. I was just pointing out that the ice would not have a smaller fuel tank so the range is unaffected.

Mercedes-Benz C-Class Estate - New wheels - pd

Fair enough. It was the comment about the EV’s modest loss of its ability to hold a a charge (and so a modest loss of range) and an ice having a small loss of engine power. I was just pointing out that the ice would not have a smaller fuel tank so the range is unaffected.

Fair point. I think the thing is that as we get used to higher mileage and older EVs entering the used market we'll have to get used to looking for different things than we are used to on current ICE cars.

That's not necessarily better or worse, just different. You won't be worrying about the clutch bite point any more or whether it smoking under load but looking at battery SOH and cell variances.