By no means does it have to be automatic if it's some other car. I was attracted to the F10./11 5 series as looked after examples tend (to me) to look as good and modern as the day they came out of the factory - as well as being exceptionally comfortable in long journeys.
I'm CH47 postcode - say 50 miles. But in honesty, go national as I can wait for a good local example to come up if you have any good ideas. Thank you!
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Meant to mention. The other thing to consider is three children in the back (not in car seats),
But need a roomy interior...
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After many years of buying and selling cars I can’t recommend a cheap BMW to you, but there are a few much more reliable options.
The Mazda 6 petrol is an excellent big saloon. It’s nice to drive, decent on fuel and mechanically very robust, there’s no timing belt to snap, no turbo to fail and no real vices to worry about if you find a well cared for example. Don’t touch the diesels!
www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311073726927
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I was sceptical at first, but you may have done it! Great economy for a 2.0 petrol too!
Why would you avoid the diesels? Inherently bad, or just my low mileage? Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?
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I was sceptical at first, but you may have done it! Great economy for a 2.0 petrol too!
Why would you avoid the diesels? Inherently bad, or just my low mileage? Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?
The diesels are prone to very expensive engine problems.
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Reckon it's as roomy in the back as the BMW?
The Mazda isn't exactly cramped, but nor is it particularly spacious for that size class (you could probably say the same for a 5 Series though). Also the sculpted rear seat is clearly designed with the emphasis on two occupants with the person in the middle getting a poorer deal. Pics of a 5 Series appear to show a flatter rear bench, though that is countered by a fairly intrusive transmission tunnel.
TBH, neither ideal for three in the back (IMO).
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Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.
Maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist, certainly for my budget?
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Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.
Maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist, certainly for my budget?
I can think of two, maybe three, but they're SUVs not estates - I had a 2011 Hyundai Santa Fe and regularly took three adults in the back - I now have a 2016 VW Touareg and do the same, it has a couple of cm more shoulder room but the centre seat is less comfortable than the Santa Fe - I've not checked it but the Kia Sorento is the Santa Fe's sibling so may be equally roomy.
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With a limited budget compromises will often have to be made. At this money the big Mazda is a great option, I’d recommend trying one for size. It’s on my shortlist when the time comes to replace my old Toyota Avensis.
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I do really like that Mazda. Does it have that transmission tunnel between the legs of the middle person, I can't see from the photos. Chatting to some mates, everybody seems to thoroughly trust the brand, but prefer the BMW badge.
And even if I sold a kidney on the black market, I'm not sure there is a significantly better option. I don't like SUV style vehicles at all - my wife has had them for years. All bulk, no real space. After my Ford incident I need reliability. I think Mazda might be the ticket. Off to look at the one suggested earlier after Christmas (if no one beats me to it!) :)
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Is there an ideal saloon or estate for three in the back? Does it even exist? I just feel those jump seats in the MPV 7 seaters are unsafe and barely practical, hence me trying to for three in the back.
A 7 seat MPV has 3 seats in the second row, so there really isn't any need to use the 3rd row if you don't want to. Point is, most are designed to accommodate 3 in the middle row.
I do really like that Mazda. Does it have that transmission tunnel between the legs of the middle person, I can't see from the photos.
It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series.
he Mazda 6 is 4865mm long, 1840mm wide and has a 480 litre boot (pretty modest for a car of that size). An example of something I'd consider is the Vauxhall Zafira Tourer. It is 4656mm long, 1884mm wide, and with 3rd row seats folded, has 710 litres of boot space. It also has 3 individual rear seats (of the same size and shape) and a flat floor.
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<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>
All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]
Edited by Andrew-T on 23/12/2023 at 23:24
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<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>
All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]
No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.
Edited by badbusdriver on 24/12/2023 at 07:35
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<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>
All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]
No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.
Are they flat underneath too ?
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<< It does have a tunnel, just not as big and wide as the 5 Series. >>
All cars have a 'tunnel', it's an essential part of a stiff bodyshell. The tunnel in a RWD car is usually bigger as it has to accommodate a prop-shaft as well as the exhaust pipe [EVs will have different rules ]
No they don't (and therefore no it isn't), plenty of ICE MPV's and SUV's have a flat floor in the rear. The Peugeot Partner Combi we had when the kids were younger is one of many.
Are they flat underneath too ?
How is what's under the floor relevant to footpace above it within the cabin?
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<< How is what's under the floor relevant to footspace above it within the cabin? >>
My thinking was that a car with a higher roof may well have a higher floor, so the necessary stiffening 'tunnel' could be out of sight ?
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The key to owning a premium large high mileage car IMHO is to have a specialist independent nearby.
I my case myMB specialist only works on that marque and can afford to pay for the Star software which makes diagnostics so much easier
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I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),
But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?
www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a
But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.
On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,
Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?
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Cream leather will get tatty quickly and black paint is hard to keep nice. It’s not a combination I’d seek out. As for depreciation, well all large saloons like this will drop more quickly than their smaller hatchback relatives. A Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv would be an easier sale at the same age, especially pre 2017 examples as they’re cheap to tax. The big Mazda 6 won’t fare any worse than a Toyota Avensis or Ford Mondeo however, but the estates are always worth more.
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Cream leather will get tatty quickly and black paint is hard to keep nice. It’s not a combination I’d seek out. As for depreciation, well all large saloons like this will drop more quickly than their smaller hatchback relatives. A Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv would be an easier sale at the same age, especially pre 2017 examples as they’re cheap to tax. The big Mazda 6 won’t fare any worse than a Toyota Avensis or Ford Mondeo however, but the estates are always worth more.
I have cream leather as a factory order on my VW Touareg, it's fine even taking five people on outdoor field trips - a quick wipe and it's as good as new.
I hate cars with black interiors, far too dark and depressing.
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<< I hate cars with black interiors, far too dark and depressing. >>
.... and they get hotter !
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Do you think the discontinuation of the 6 will impact on spares or parts of anything, especially as I am planning for longevity? Basically I want to keep this for as long as it takes for me to be able to afford to move to an EV which I can afford and does what I need.
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I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),
But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?
www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a
But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.
On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,
Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?
Mazda is not a wealthy company relative to BMW for example. So the example you post doesn't really offer anything worth having over the earlier car, possibly better phone connectivity/infotainment(?). With a non age related plate, nobody would be able to tell which was the younger car.
The larger wheels would be a very definite negative for me. Not just because of the extra cost to replace but also how much more vulnerable they are on our pothole infested 3rd world roads, and the detrimental effect to both ride and road noise.
Finally, if depreciation is a big thing for you (frankly it shouldn't unless you only plan to keep it a year or two) then an older car is always going to be better than a younger one. So picking the older and cheaper car is a no-brainer.
One other point, that red colour of the older car looks spectacular but is apparently rather expensive if any bodywork needs done after a prang or whatever. Having said that, I'd still chose it over black myself.
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I need 10.years out of this car, especially after my Mondeo powershift fiasco, so depreciation shouldn't be a big issue, thinking about it. Nor do I enjoy buying and selling cars, so this needs to be done once :)
I hope to look at the red one today. I would like some form of leather interior, but I know beggars can't be choosers, and all that :)
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I thought about pushing the budget a bit (would mean a lot of other life compromises),
But this example came up too - think it's a slightly facelifed version?
www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202310293444864?s...a
But things like 19" wheels out me off as straight away relatively cheap to replace 17" will probably cost me 50 % more to replace etc.
On balance would you prefer less miles or a younger car? Also depreciation is a worry for me,
Would these Mazdas at this age, well maintained, hold value well?
In a word, no, large Mazdas do not hold their prices well but in fairness they are no worse than anything similar. The gearbox will also limit its appe - people just don't want larger cars with manual gearboxes much these days. However, that may be an advantage when buying.
It looks a decent enough car although check who the warranty is with as Cazoo might not be around much longer.
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I would like some form of leather interior, but I know beggars can't be choosers, and all that :)
Horses for courses and all, but for me, a cloth interior is much preferable to leather :-)
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Do you think the discontinuation of the 6 will impact on spares or parts of anything, especially as I am planning for longevity? Basically I want to keep this for as long as it takes for me to be able to afford to move to an EV which I can afford and does what I need.
Is it actually being discontinued or is it just no longer going to be sold in the UK?. Here, as with many markets, everyone wants SUV's, but there are plenty other markets where saloon cars are still wanted.
But it is highly unlikely you will have any issues obtaining servicing parts in the UK. Body and trim panels may potentially become more of an issue in time, but I can't see you ever not being able to get parts during a decade with the car.
Or to put it another way, were it me, parts availability would not be something I'd have any concerns about.
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