Now that so many have copied Audi's pioneering (circa 2004) big grill look
So there were no cars with big grills before 2004, and since then, everyone has just been copying Audi?
You do make me laugh sometimes!
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Exactly BBD, me thinks Audi copied the Rover P5, or anyone of many cars from history. BMW and Lexus have, IMO, made the best fist of designing then badly.
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And with the las Rover 75 facelift didn't people think it was a copy of an Audi grille.?
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Big grilles were a brand statement until around 1970 and the advent of more complex computer modelling and wind tunnels..
Big grilles = high fuel consumption. 1973 oil price increases and possible rationing. 1972 petrol price 7p a litre. A year later 14p. Inflation is a killer.
Aerodynamics became king. Designs evolved to reduce frontal area. IMHO becoming more harmonious.
But cars remain status statements for many, irrespective of design quality. Shout it from the rooftops" I got a big powerful motor with a stonking great grille.
I'm reminded of the old Mars bar down the trousers ploy which some thought might impressively indicate prowess to females :)
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And with the las Rover 75 facelift didn't people think it was a copy of an Audi grille.?
Nobody is saying that no cars have been influenced by Audi in their grill treatment, the 75 V8 (and AFAIK only the V8) was arguably* amongst them.
However, to suggest there were no cars with big grills before Audi went down that particular road, and that every other car with a big grill since has simply copied Audi, is utter nonsense.
*Arguably because the 75 V8 and the then new big grill Audi A4 and A6 all appeared in the same year (2004). Do we know for sure which appeared first?.
I'm reminded of the old Mars bar down the trousers ploy which some thought might impressively indicate prowess to females :)
Even after it melted?
;-)
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Now that so many have copied Audi's pioneering (circa 2004) big grill look
So there were no cars with big grills before 2004, and since then, everyone has just been copying Audi? ......You do make me laugh sometimes!
Always pleased to be amusing. But here's something from the 'expert'....
www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/from-subtle-to-singl...n
......and here's another snippet for your edification
Who started the Big Grill trend?
Fast forward to the mid-'00s and Audi introduced large grilles on all of its cars, which gave them immediate road presence and identity. In many ways, Audi was sort of the first brand to really introduce oversized grilles, even if its “singleframe” grille design was very well-received back in the mid-'00s.29 Mar 2022
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Always pleased to be amusing. But here's something from the 'expert'....
www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/from-subtle-to-singl...n
The "expert" being someone oblivious to the existence of (amongst many others) Rolls Royce cars (pretty much all of them) and to most Mercedes Benz cars prior to the 1980's?
Just to pick a couple of other British cars at random, 1949 Triumph Mayflower, 1958 Rover P5, 1964 Vanden Plas 1100/1300
In many ways, Audi was sort of the first brand to really introduce oversized grilles
Not sure how "many ways" are being described here, but clearly not the most important one, that of factual accuracy.
But hey, why let facts getting the way of brand adoration?
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Just to pick a couple of other British cars at random, 1949 Triumph Mayflower, 1958 Rover P5, 1964 Vanden Plas 1100/1300
In many ways, Audi was sort of the first brand to really introduce oversized grilles
Not sure how "many ways" are being described here, but clearly not the most important one, that of factual accuracy.
It's a matter of fact that in all the models you mention, that beneath their ordinary looking grills there is a large chrome bumper and a number plate. I would be interested to know of a pre 2004 mainstream model with no visual cues beneath the bottom of their grills as per my 2005 A8. It is this departure from the stylistic norm which raised eyebrows at the time.
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Just to pick a couple of other British cars at random, 1949 Triumph Mayflower, 1958 Rover P5, 1964 Vanden Plas 1100/1300
In many ways, Audi was sort of the first brand to really introduce oversized grilles
Not sure how "many ways" are being described here, but clearly not the most important one, that of factual accuracy.
It's a matter of fact that in all the models you mention, that beneath their ordinary looking grills there is a large chrome bumper and a number plate. I would be interested to know of a pre 2004 mainstream model with no visual cues beneath the bottom of their grills as per my 2005 A8. It is this departure from the stylistic norm which raised eyebrows at the time.
Why am I not surprised to hear the parameters of your claim have now been changed somewhat?
So does that mean you now accept that Audi did not come up with the oversized grill look, and that in fact all they did come up with was to remove the bumper?
Progress through technology indeed
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Why am I not surprised to hear the parameters of your claim have now been changed somewhat?
What 'parameters'? Not really 'my claim'. If you refer back to my Friday's short original parameter-less post I used the phrase 'big grill look'. I don't know why it has bothered and amused you so much! Everybody (well, almost everybody) knows it's a comment on its unusual style (the look), rather than its actual (or relative) size. Incidentally, the Ford Edsel had a similar styled grill which also extended to the bottom of the car but it was too small to be as dramatic.
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It bothers me because you said this:
Now that so many have copied Audi's pioneering (circa 2004) big grill look
When as I have pointed out now quite a few times, they did not pioneer the big grill look. And just to be clear, as you didn't credit that claim to someone else, it is your claim.
But then when I pointed out a couple of the many, many cars there has been with oversized grills long before 2004:
I would be interested to know of a pre 2004 mainstream model with no visual cues beneath the bottom of their grills as per my 2005 A8.
So Audi didn't pioneer "the big grill look". Though they may have pioneered (not sure pioneered is the right term though?) "the big grill look with no visual clues beneath the bottom of their grills"
I'd also strongly dispute that the grills on any of the specific cars I mentioned looked ordinary, though I would concede that is very much open down to personal opinion.
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It bothers me because you said this:
Now that so many have copied Audi's pioneering (circa 2004) big grill look
When as I have pointed out now quite a few times, they did not pioneer the big grill look. And just to be clear, as you didn't credit that claim to someone else, it is your claim.
Heigh ho. You clearly didn't read the link I posted in an earlier reply. Here is an extract......
The evolution of the front grille can arguably be classified into five distinct styling eras, ranging from a simple framing that allowed greater visual emphasis to be placed on the iconic four rings badge, to the pioneering shield-like Singleframe grille, which connected the usually separate upper and lower front
...... my bold type. Over and out.
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It bothers me because you said this:
Now that so many have copied Audi's pioneering (circa 2004) big grill look
When as I have pointed out now quite a few times, they did not pioneer the big grill look. And just to be clear, as you didn't credit that claim to someone else, it is your claim.
Heigh ho. You clearly didn't read the link I posted in an earlier reply. Here is an extract......
The evolution of the front grille can arguably be classified into five distinct styling eras, ranging from a simple framing that allowed greater visual emphasis to be placed on the iconic four rings badge, to the pioneering shield-like Singleframe grille, which connected the usually separate upper and lower front
...... my bold type. Over and out.
You are correct I did not read the link. However said link did not get posted until well over 24 hours after your claiming Audi pioneered the big grill look (and my challenging that),
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