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Personal buying habits - Andrew-T

I bought my first car in spring 1964, our first year in Canada. It was a red Morris 1100 a couple of years old, which the owner had bought for the advantage of (then fairly new) FWD, rallying on icy roads. It took us 40,000 miles around north America, until we returned to the UK 3 years later.

We stuck with BLMC cars through the 1970s, usually buying about two years old, never new, sometimes privately but usually from independent traders. Because I did basic maintenance the cars rarely gave trouble serious enough for any warranty claim, and I have never done that, because I am a fairly careful buyer and I accepted that cars a few years old cannot reasonably be expected to be faultless – especially back then :-). More than once I have saved money by deleting a trader's used-car warranty from his selling price.

By the 1980s, BL cars had lost their appeal, kids had become teenagers, and I swapped our fifth Maxi for a Cavalier estate and later a Nissan Prairie, before the 205 got headlines and we switched to the Peugeot brand. That Prairie, as an ex-demo run-out car from a Nissan dealership, was the newest car I have owned, and it served as a bulk carrier while the 'kids' went away to uni. Only one car has ever cost me a 5-figure sum - an impulse buy 20 years ago.

Since 1990 there has been a series of 205s, some 306s and finally a 207; some petrol and some diesel. A Dturbo failed with a snapped clutch cable, and again when the float in the fuel tank stuck, making SWMBO think she was getting amazing economy. The aged Garros 205 failed once, I believe because the cambelt had jumped a tooth, luckily without any engine damage.

In summary, then, I have never given traders aggro because I have bought new-ish cars, and I have not visited a showroom since 2008, when I got the present 207 at 8 months old. I have always tried some gentle haggling when buying without part-ex, and usually come away with some cheap freebies like touch-up or carpet mats. Since then all purchases have been of aging Peugeots from private sellers.

Personal buying habits - De Sisti

Aug 2012: BMW 320d SE Touring, bought from my sister. (£2,500) Has been more reliable than I expected (too many scare stories from BMW forums). My sister and I have both given the Touring lots of TLC.

Oct 2001: SEAT Arosa. Bought from a SEAT dealer (£3,995) An super-reliable car. I only sold it when (mid-life crisis age) I was offered the BMW @ family rates.

Apr 1994: Nissan Micra. Bought from a dealer in Taunton to replace a rusting VW Beetle 1303 (£2995) E892 ...

Apr 1989: VW Beetle 1303. Bought from a Manchester Evening News advert. This car was cute, but suffered from rust problems. Whilst serving a RAF Gatow a guy from the motor club offered to replace rust panels and give it a respray. After parting with DM4,000 the car left the motor club looking mint. It had minimum rust proofing underneath, hence me eventually getting rid of it.

Whilst in Taunton (1994) I paid £300 to treat rusting near-side front suspension. A few months later the off-side front suspension was suffering the same fate and I didn't want to fork-out another £300 to tackle it.

Jul 1987: Toyota Starlet. (£CYP 2995) Bought from a Toyota dealer in Limassol (after being strong-armed by a RAF Warrant Officer, who would only sign-off car purchase forms for single guys from the particular dealer. He was given a free car when he left the island).

After rear-ending a fruit truck, I had the car fixed and then sold it. Truck had no brake lights and was dripping fruit from the overloaded crates of grapes.

1985: VW Beetle 1300. Rusted a lot and wouldn't start in damp weather.

1981: Hillman Imp: (£200) It got me around including a Manchester > London trip with 4 passengers. Kept if for about 12 months.

Personal buying habits - skidpan

First car was a 1965 Anglia, looked OK (just) and ran fine (it did have a 1500 engine in it) but I was offered a 1964 Anglia from a family friend (her father had died and had owned the car for 9 years) and whilst it looked a bit grim it was nothing a bit of tidying would sort. never let me down in the 9 months I owned it but did need an exhaust and a clutch, cost me about £25.

When I got my first pay cheque aged 18 (the age apprentices moved onto adult rates) I splashed out on a 1970 Herald. Way better than the Anglias but in truth only a stop gap to get me through the winter (doubted the Anglia would make it - the buyer proved that).

In spring I got a loan and bought a 1972 1 owner Viva 1800 SL. Decent enough, cost me an exhaust and tyres in 3 years but at 6 years old the tin worm was really showing through the wings, had to before needing work.

Dad was having a new car so bought his 1975 Avenger 1600. 1 owner, low miles and a total money pit. In 3 months it had a new petrol tank, new battery, new starter motor, new radiator, new head gasket, new tyres. What it did do was demonstrate that I could afford a new(er) car that would hopefully be reliable and cost free. At least i sold it for what I paid plus the parts to fix it.

Dropped on a 3 week old Spitfire with 11 miles on the clock. Owner had to sell since he had got a new job with a company car. Made him a stupid offer (which I did not expect him to accept but he did). Ran it for 2 years, cost me nothing other than petrol, tax and insurance. Lost about £100 in depreciation.

Decided that a 2 seater was not really a great daily driver so bought a new 1980 Escort 1600. Ran it for 4 years, cost me a clutch. After 50,000 miles it still had the original Michelin's on it.

With a bit more money in my pocket from overtime bought a new 1984 XR3i. Total tat, how did they get away with it. Kept it until I had paid for it (2 years) and was glad to see the back of it despite not spending a penny on it.

Bought my first Golf GTi in 1986, what a revelation. Excellent in every respect, 2 tyres were my only expenditure in 3 1/2 years. So good I bought another.

That was 1989 Golf GTi. Ran it for 7 1/2 years and 113,000 miles. That one towed the Caterham most summer weekends and as a result need a few sets of tyres and a diff rebuild but considering the abuse it had it was amazing. Last saw it in 2016, had just over 200,000 on the clock.

Since then the cars have got more boring, the only exception being the 1700 Puma I bought in 1999 and kept for 6 years with only 4 tyres needed. Great cross country car, a match for the Golf without doubt but not as practical. Its still on the road, must be rotten by now. That was replaced by a Mini Cooper S which we never really gelled with, the Puma was simply too good. Sold after 2 years with little loss.

Personal buying habits - De Sisti

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Aug 2012: BMW 320d SE Touring.

Bought from my sister. (£2,500) Has been more reliable than I expected (too many scare stories from BMW forums). The Touring hasn't lacked for TLC from my sister or myself.

Oct 2001: SEAT Arosa.

Bought from a SEAT dealer (£3,995) An super-reliable car. I only sold it when (mid-life crisis age) I was offered the BMW @ family rates.

Apr 1994: Nissan Micra.

Bought from a dealer in Taunton to replace a rusting VW Beetle 1303 (£2995) E892 ...

Apr 1989: VW Beetle 1303.

Bought from a Manchester Evening News advert. This car was cute, but suffered from rust problems. Whilst serving a RAF Gatow a guy from the motor club offered to replace rust panels and give it a respray. After parting with DM4,000 the car left the motor club looking mint. It had minimum rust proofing underneath, hence me eventually getting rid of it.

Whilst in Taunton (1994) I paid £300 to treat rusting near-side front suspension. A few months later the off-side front suspension was suffering the same fate and I didn't want to fork-out another £300 to tackle it.

Jul 1987: Toyota Starlet. (£CYP 2995)

Bought from a Toyota dealer in Limassol (after being strong-armed by a RAF Warrant Officer, who would only sign-off car purchase forms for single guys from the particular dealer. He was given a free car when he left the island).

After rear-ending a fruit truck, I had the car fixed and then sold it. Truck had no brake lights and was dripping fruit from the overloaded crates of grapes.

1985: VW Beetle 1300.

Bought from a Manchester Evening News advert: Rusted a lot and wouldn't start in damp weather.

1981: Hillman Imp: (£200)

Bought from a mechanic (Ex-school pal) It got me around, including a Manchester > London trip with 4 passengers. Kept if for about 12 months.

Edited by De Sisti on 21/11/2023 at 19:16

Personal buying habits - Andrew-T

... the Morris 1100 ... took us 40,000 miles around north America, until we returned to the UK 3 years later.

Driving round the States had its moments, especially when onlookers gathered to gawp at this strange tiny car, and we lifted the bonnet to reveal the FWD engine. Jeez!

Its achilles heel was the electric fuel pump fitted under the tank, under the boot - not under the rear seat as now. The points used to soot up, so I travelled with a spare. On a new road being built in the Rockies foothills it was hit by a stone in bear country miles from anywhere, so that spare pump was a life saver.

Personal buying habits - Xileno

The Puma was a great little car, a work colleague had one from almost new but even at six years old it was looking a bit scabby. I can't remember the last time I saw one, there can't be any left that haven't been extensively welded.

I've generally had old cars as either my work provided me with one or I could walk. I've had old Golfs and Polos, the first virtually new car was a 2004 Megane diesel which was really nice although that wasn't hard compared to what came before it. I then got the current Focus in 2008 initially as a temporary car but I just kept it. It's not an exciting car but it just works giving no grief. I have promised myself something a bit special when I retire hopefully in June but when I mention leaving I get incentivised to stay so I may as well milk that for a bit longer...

Personal buying habits - Falkirk Bairn

20th Nov 1966 - first car - last of the Mk1 Cortinas - the Mk2s were just announced.

Last examples of the run out models has been the habit for some 57 years. Trailing edge technology is a sound buy in many cases. Keep hold of a good car when you have one - Xedos 15 years, CRV 11 years - around £1,000 repairs for the Xedos (mostly age related perished rubber/callipers) and £100 for the CRV ( 1 x spring & 1x drop-link bushes)!

1) Big discounts on old model

2) Some "special run out model" with many extras.

Occasionally 1&2 combined!

3) Gremlins that seem to be in many new models well & truly ironed out

4) After say 5/6 year run spares freely available - especially important if they are trim/body parts.

That said I have had some 40+ new cars in the 57 years mostly Fords/Vauxhall - most were company cars. In all that number of cars there were issues but never had one that needed major repairs - no clutches, no gearboxes, no engines needing re-built - 1 head gasket, 1 generator, 1 starter motor, 1 wiper motor, 1 rear axle rebuild - everything else has been minor, in the main minor electrical troubles, perished rubber etc.

Stranded at roadside requiring roadside help, car tow / uplift on a lorry 4 times.

Worst car Peugeot 405 1989 - major water leak in rear screen in week one - downhill for 3 years - no major issues just lots of them.

Personal buying habits - John F

Last examples of the run out models has been the habit for some 57 years. Trailing edge technology is a sound buy in many cases.

Good advice. Our 'last of the line' model, a 2019 Peugeot 2008 1.2 puretech130 EAT6 Allure Premium is now 4yrs old, their early engine problems resolved. Cost £17,000, well below 'list' as they were trying to shift them before the new shape 2008 appeared.

Keep hold of a good car when you have one......... I have had some 40+ new cars in the 57 years......

Probably high miler 'company cars'. I shudder to think of the cumulative depreciation cost! For a low miler private buyer, good used cars to keep hold of make more sense. Since 1980 I have bought only four used cars for myself, (TR7, Audis 100, A6 and A8). Total cost <£28,000. I still have two of them and have no plans to replace either.