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Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Icru96
Hi team,

I am confused on which trim to go for in a 2014-2016 Mazda 3.
At the moment the only thing going against sport nav model is that it has low profile tires.

Things I love with sports nav are Bose speakers and front parking sensors. I can lobe with out from parking sensors, but would like to know if speakers in se l nav version is good enough or not.

Also is the tire noise in sports nav versions so bad?

Would love to know your opinion.

Thank you
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - badbusdriver

All things being equal, wider lower profile tyres will make more noise than narrower ones with a taller profile. But some brands of tyres will make more (or less) noise than others of the same size.

The issues on both cars can be dealt with though.

The smaller wheels from the SE can be put on the Sport (I'm assuming the brakes are the same size), and speakers can be upgraded. Personally, I'd go with the SE myself.

But best thing would be to test drive an SE to see if the speakers are good enough and/or test drive a Sport to see how noisy the tyres are.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Adampr

If I was trying to get the best sound, I would buy either and get a professionally installed sound system. Bose isn't the best brand but, even if it was, you will get much higher gains through decent damping and sound insulation than by putting slightly better speakers in.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - FP

I drive the Sport Nav version of the CX-5.

The Bose sound system sounds excellent to me, but I'm not all that concerned as I don't listen to music much in the car. Probably a custom set-up will be needed if you're serious about it.

The OE Toyo low-profile tyres give too firm a ride for my liking, but don't seem particularly noisy. I have Pirellis on the back (due to damage necessitating a change, which was before the OE tyres wore out) and these are much more comfortable. (I will need to change the fronts soon and will be looking to source Pirellis.) I haven't noticed any difference in noise.

Noise specs are now routinely shown, if you look online, so I suggest you shop around - that is, if you decide to get the Sport Nav version. Or look them up beforehand.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - SLO76
Down to personal preference really. I favour the SE for a little more comfort over the bumps and the wider choice of used examples available, but I wouldn’t walk past a tidy Sport to buy a tatty SE. Condition, history and mileage would make the decision for me.
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Engineer Andy
Hi team, I am confused on which trim to go for in a 2014-2016 Mazda 3. At the moment the only thing going against sport nav model is that it has low profile tires. Things I love with sports nav are Bose speakers and front parking sensors. I can lobe with out from parking sensors, but would like to know if speakers in se l nav version is good enough or not. Also is the tire noise in sports nav versions so bad? Would love to know your opinion. Thank you

SEs will likely only come shod on the 205/60 R16 tyres unless one of the previous owners (foolishly) decided to pay for an 'upgrade' to the 18in low profile ones. Why the would, I don't know, given the cost. Far better to stay with 16in and up the rest of the spec to the below...

SE-Ls and the Nav variant often can come on either, although like the SE I believe the 'default' spec is the 16in rims. I think the SE-L spec is the best value, as it has 95%+ of all the things most people would want.

To be honest, I could barely tell any difference between the (new) cars shod on 16in and 18in tyres as far as handling, but ride quality is much better on the 16in ones.

As I've mentioned in other threads, this sort of tyre also has the added benefit (when fitted to inately decent handling cars) of reducing costs, given they are longer-lasting via wear and (including the alloys) are less susceptiable to kerbing and pothole damage.

On a like-for-like basis, they are also better in snow and as regards aquaplaning resistance. They are also about 25-40% cheaper than the 18in 'equivalents to buy, more so when lifespan and slightly better mpg (less width - I think the 18in ones are 215/45 R18) is factored in.

Note also that 'Sport' models, whether just the top spec variants or all will use the boot spare wheel well for the upgraded sound system, meaning the car cannot take a space-saver wheel/tyre 'kit' (which is itself expensive at £400 if a savvy first owner didn't order it as an optional extra), and thus any spare would have to go 'loose' in the boot.

Note that the presence of the space tyre 'kit' in the underboot area will raise it up a bit, reducing useable boot space. That could make a difference if you have significant requirements for the boot space.

The fastback (saloon) has a much bigger boot to start with, but the opening is small - fine for general luggage, not so good for cube-shaped boxes, as I've found (I own a 2005 gen-1 saloon version).

The OEM tyres Mazda fits have, in my view, never been that well regarded by owners from the opinions on the Mazda3 forum site. Not necessarily because they are noisy, more often they were/are not so common as on previous versions of the car like mine and thus expensive and/or difficult to get hold of replacements, some wear a bit quickly or aren't so good in the wet.

The 205/60 R16s in summer tyre format cost between (not incl. fitting) £80 - £120 for decent makes, compared to my car's 205/55 R16 OEMs at around £50 - £85 and my latest set (changed the wheels when they corroded) which are 195/65 R15 at about 10-15% less than the previous ones.

My car still handles well on the 15in tyres, thus the newer 16in size should do very well and apparently can be fitted to the Sport models, though I'm not sure about the 'top spec' 165PS version, which may come with bigger brakes.

The tyre noise on the Sport versions may be more apparent depending upon which tyre is used and how worn they are.

The later 'upgraded' gen-3 car version is seen as being worth paying the bit extra over the earlier version. For me, the best one to buy would be a SE-L (I can take the Nav or leave it, especially if you have a mobile phone on contract which can then use Google Maps).

This one from late 2016 to just before the reg change on 01/04/17 makes good financial sence as it benefits from the better spec and still the 2001-17 Band C VED at £35pa rather than cars registered from 01/04/17 at £180pa.

The only other spec difference coming after that was an upgrade to the Nav system - possibly in 2018 - to add Apple Car Play and Android auto, although I'm not sure whether it is worth or even can be upgraded to take the latest software on that front, and the cost, which likely won't be cheap. The earlier Nav models apparently could (at the time the upgraded spec came out) be upgraded after the fact, but again, no cheap, but that was then.

I'd personally stick to the 'plain' SE-L and use your mobile phone for the SatNav. The sound system is fine for most people, and as some have said, if you're really serious about such a system, you'd get a professional upgrade.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Icru96
Thank you all for your comments.

Yes, I think I will stick with the SE L Nav version. I won’t be spilling cash on upgrading the music system, but just wanted to know if upgrading to sports nav is actually worth the compromises that comes with the 18inch tyres.
Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Engineer Andy
Thank you all for your comments. Yes, I think I will stick with the SE L Nav version. I won’t be spilling cash on upgrading the music system, but just wanted to know if upgrading to sports nav is actually worth the compromises that comes with the 18inch tyres.

The downside to going with the SE-L / SE-L Nav is that buyers (especially original ones) also like them a LOT for their value for money and are far more likely to hold onto them than the owners of the Sport type models. As such, they are harder to get hold of.

I also suspect that more Sport models were originally built/sold, including to non-private buyers, hence why they can sometimes look a bargain when buying second hand (supply and demand).

The problem is that like many modern cars with 'Sporty' pretentions, the firmer and noise ride and increased costs of ownership often mean they get sold again sooner than the mid-spec models and thus they lose out more financially than a longer-term owener of a mid-spec model.

Occasionally, the original owner of a Sport spec model might go for the non-cost option of 'downgrading' the wheels and tyres from 18in to 16in, but that's very rare. I've occasionally seen that being officially offered on the gen-4 hatch (the one you're looking at is a gen-3 car) from 2019 onwards for the 'base' Sport version, often only the 2L Skyactiv-G, not the Skyactiv-X or Sport GT/Tech/Lux.

The gen-3 car is an excellent handling car and thus the higher profile 16in tyres make little noticeable difference to handling, but a decent amount to the firmness of the ride, especially as the car ages and the suspension wears.

It makes more of a difference if the road you use pothole ridden / uneven. The tyre choice makes a big difference, as some are firm /noiser to start with but last longer, others softer / quieter and have a shorter life - both true for more the budget end of the range.

I would check out the Tyre Reviews wesbite, and you may be able to source user reviews for the make/model/spec combo (mine are all there) you're looking for, or close to for comparison.

Note that all season tyres tend to be a bit softer than summer tyres, winter ones even more so, and directional tyres (most all season, winter and specialst wet weather tyres are of that sub-type) are a bit noisier than assymmetric tyres due to the 'V' pattern. The softer compound often makes up for the difference on the all season and winter tyres.

Some all season tyres are more suited to climates that get less snow/ice and cold conditions generally, e.g. the Michelin Cross Climate and Bridgestone equivalent, the Goodyear and Contis are in the middle. Some will also have better lifespans, but you often pay a good deal more for the tyre to start with, e.g. the CC's.

Worth checking both the user reviews and group tests.

www.tyrereviews.com/

PS. If you're thinking about getting the car maintained at a main dealer, then do your homework beforehand, as like with a good number of non-Japanese makes (e.g. For, IMHO), Mazda main dealer quality varies considerably on the post-sales side. Some good, some not at all. Hopefully if you want to go that route, you have more than one to choose from and from different franchises.

A good quality indie garage should be able to maintain them fine. Just avoid the diesels at all costs, as they can prove very unreliable unless you 100% know the usage/ownership history (maintenance history isn't enough in my view for them, as significant short trip driving from cold often causes expensive problems with the turbo, DPF and oil dilution).

Also avoid Skyactiv-G 120PS cars that have been 'chipped' (often 'unofficially') to get the same performance as the top-spec 165PS Sport versions, because they are technically 'modded' and thus any goodwill from Mazda over engine problems outside of the warranty (well, you never know) will not be forthcoming, and your insurer will not look kindly if not declared. IMHO, the performance increase isn't really worth the money/hassle later on. Better in that case to buy an OEM 165PS car.

Mazda 3 - Mazda 3 best trim se-l nav vs sport nav - Mick27

I've owned two Sport Navs over the last 9 years from new, a 2014 year was the 165hp version and a more recent 2018 was the 120hp model. Enjoyed both, not too much difference in performance, only noticeable high up in the rev range. Regulary got an average of 42mpg, up to 50mpg on a longer run. Apart from one faulty door lock actuator they were both totally reliable. Easy to work on, I do my own servicing. One good feature on the later facelifted version with the electronic parking brake for servicing is that you can retract the caliper pistons with a sequence of throttle and epb button presses, no need for an OBD tool. Well built, although body panels are quite thin, as is the paint. Beware of the soul red, it looks superb but apparently is a nightmare to paint match. I agree, the only merit of the 18 inch wheels is cosmetic so go with an SEL. I did try the 16 inch wheels and they do offer a slightly better ride. These previous gen models use an abs based tyre pressure monitoring system, so if like me, you run a spare set of winter wheels it's a straight swap, easy peasy. By the way the Bose audio doesn't have a sub woofer in the boot well so you can use a space saver if required, dont know if the latest version is different though. The audio was okay but a bit boomy lacking a degree of clarity. An all around good car.

Edited by Mick27 on 20/11/2023 at 18:54