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USA motoring observation - movilogo

First time visit to USA, observed following (motoring related) differences compared to UK/EU.

  1. Cars can turn right (equivalent to left in UK) in red lights. This felt unsafe for pedestrians as cars were moving at the same time while pedestrians were crossing (in New York City).
  2. City speed limit is 25 MPH or 40 km/h in Canada. This seems better than 20 MPH limit UK towns are adopting. If 30 feels too high and 20 feels too low then 25 MPH feels just about right.
  3. I knew undertaking is normal in USA but I didn't know HGVs can travel on fast/outside lanes!
  4. While there are many European/Japanese cars - the American made cars were massive! I have seen American cars on movies but in flesh they look lot larger.
  5. Honking is normal in NYC - much more than in London.
  6. No roundabouts but only intersections. Although internet says some US cities are now building roundabouts.
  7. I didn't really understand what Americans use pick up trucks for. There were plenty everywhere and none was carrying any stuff in the rear loading beds.
  8. Some American made cars have red rear indicators - instead of amber. Why?
  9. Lane discipline is poor (compared to UK/EU) in interstate highways.
  10. Amtrak trains were good. Seats were spacious and comfortable even in coach class (economy class). In future I'll use Amtrak again.
  11. USA is not as cheap as people want us to believe. Barring fuel prices, NYC is horrendously expensive on everything, compared with London. Middle America is not that expensive though.
USA motoring observation - Engineer Andy

As NYC is an international financial hub, that's probably why (along with who mainly is in charge politicially [spending from more taxes] to some degree) things cost more than elsewhere in the US, similarly across most Western nations.

Whilst pick up trucks have been common in more rural areas for a long time now (because they were needed for lugging big/heavy things around on bad roads and/or use on farms), I think its just popularity along with SUVs that makes them very common over there now, even in urban areas. Many are indeed huge (as many of their 'ordinary' cars are - a Ford Focus would be called a 'compact' car in the US).

I'd bet you'd also find that outside of the well-off, many Americans run cars well into old age and proverbially run them until they fall apart. They also appear to see fresh oil far more often than over in Europe, probably because oil changes are far cheaper via indie 'lube bays'.

Even their 'bangers' and not-so-great US designed and made cars can easily last several 100,000 miles, at least from a mechanical perspective. Probably helps that they appear to value simple to run/fix cars, even if they are gas-guzzlers, because fuel has always been cheap, at least until recent times.

USA motoring observation - Andrew-T

Back in the 60s when I lived in Canada and spent several holidays seeing much of the US, 'right-turn-on-red' was a local option, meaning that it was allowed in some towns but not others, which could be awkward. Another potential nuisance was that licence plates and licences were issued by province (or state), not nationally as here.

USA motoring observation - movilogo

I'd bet you'd also find that outside of the well-off, many Americans run cars well into old age and proverbially run them until they fall apart.

This has been mentioned in few YT videos while comparing UK/EU with USA.

Apparently some US states don't have strict MOT equivalent and people can run cars which would be illegal in UK/EU MOT.

Riding on accident damaged cars is far less common in USA compared to UK/EU.

Also observed that traditional NYC yellow cabs are no longer Ford sedans but all sorts of different cars including a very high number of Toyota RAV4s.

Edited by movilogo on 01/11/2023 at 18:24

USA motoring observation - Adampr

They have left turn on red in Australia and it's wonderful.

New Zealand, however, has some weird rule about giving way to people.tuening right at junctions which nobody seems to understand.

Edit: in trying to find out what the weird rule was, it turns out it was abolished over a decade ago.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/35-years-of-give-way-eccentr.../

Edited by Adampr on 01/11/2023 at 19:17

USA motoring observation - expat

"They have left turn on red in Australia and it's wonderful."

Not in Western Australia. Red means stop unless there is a sideways arrow on the lights and that arrow is green. We do not use the criss cross system of right hand turns that the UK has. Instead each car which is turning right keeps over to its own side of the turn and does not cross the path of right hand turning cars which are coming the other way. This works very well at busy traffic lights where there are right hand turn filter lanes controlled by lights. Sorry if this isn't very clear. I find it difficult to explain but in practice it is very good.

USA motoring observation - Adampr

"They have left turn on red in Australia and it's wonderful."

Not in Western Australia. Red means stop unless there is a sideways arrow on the lights and that arrow is green. We do not use the criss cross system of right hand turns that the UK has. Instead each car which is turning right keeps over to its own side of the turn and does not cross the path of right hand turning cars which are coming the other way. This works very well at busy traffic lights where there are right hand turn filter lanes controlled by lights. Sorry if this isn't very clear. I find it difficult to explain but in practice it is very good.

I'm trying to remember how it works in NSW. I think it might be the same deal, but there is usually a sign saying that you can turn left (but give way to pedestrians) under the lights. Or Maybe the green left arrow comes on as soon as the pedestrian crossing is done. Either way, traffic seems to flow better.

I know what you mean about the criss cross thing. Sometimes you see them here too, but only on junctions that were built in the last 20 years or so.

USA motoring observation - barney100

Roundabouts on Jersey have a filter in turn system, works very well. The turn on red in the States is fine when you get used to it.

USA motoring observation - CanAmSteve

35 of 50 US states have no "MOT" safety inspection requirement. This includes California, which has only smog (emissions) test requirements. California has 31 million registered vehicles, not too far off the entire UK (~41M). CA (which is one of the safest US states for driving) has about twice the fatality rate per capita as the UK, but it is difficult to determine if that relates to vehicle condition at all. Canada's fatality rate is less than half that of the USA (close to France's) but many the provinces also have no annual "MOT" (some are only on import/transfer, others at two or three-year intervals)

There are two Ford Crown Victoria NYC taxi cabs still operating - through a loophole in the law, since taxis must be less than seven years old in NYC. Like the iconic Checkers that preceded them, they are dinosaurs now. Their replacements are varied but mostly some sort of hybrids (EVs take too long to recharge - NYC taxis don't often cool off). Mostly Toyota Prius or Camrys or RAV4s and Ford Escape SUVs. There is of course a desire to have a functional EV replacement. You can ask any London EV "Volvo" black cab driver how that's going

USA motoring observation - Heidfirst

iirc right turn on red is not legal in all states.

USA is definitely not cheap anymore. Last time that I was over (2017) it was noticeable that prices had increased considerably more than just the slide in exchange rate. I have many US relatives, in many states - they all say the same. Of course what is important is what your money left after taxes etc. can actually buy you.

Also, in at least some states your vehicle insurance might cover only very limited amounts by our standards (esp. given their medical costs) - iirc Virginia actually doesn't require insurance at all (but you could of course be sued in court & potentially bankrupted).

USA motoring observation - Bilboman

8. The obsession with red rear indicators (effectively flashing brake lights) is purely a styling/fashion fetish. As car models are often restyled annually, the rear indicators may be red one year and amber the next, just as the rotating six monthly year marker (previously annual) on registrations help British and Irish drivers (not in NI) to keep up with or overtake the Joneses. Given that it's taken 100 years of motoring progress to get to virtually universal adoption of white parking/sidelights/DRLs (often rolled into one), even in North America, perhaps we can expect universal amber indicators front and rear a century from now!

USA motoring observation - CanAmSteve

I have lived in the US and UK and have driving licences in both. Last month I drove 2000 miles from Reading area to the south of France and back. In my own car. My goodness those French motorways are lovely!

1) Turning right on a red light is not allowed in NYC unless a sign specifically allows it. Montreal in Canada is similar. Elsewhere, right-on-red is permitted unless a sign prohibits it
2) Typical city speed limit Canada is 50 km/hr, although many are lower or higher. In the US it is 30 mph but with many 25mph. School zones are often 15mph (and enforced)
3) Undertaking is perfectly legal on multi-lane highways in both Canada and the USA. Large trucks HGVs are typically restricted from the fastest lane on three-lane roads (sometimes the two fastest on four-lane) but regulations will vary by state and even city. My observation is that the prohibition on undertaking is universally ignored in the UK now and rarely, if ever enforced. Middle-lane hogging is as common in the UK as the US (where it is legal)
4) Have you driven a proper Range Rover?
5) Yes. In fact, at one time, cars sold in NYC had to have horns that were less noisy due to constant use. After a while, you grow to love it
6) Roundabouts are common in some places in the USA. If you fly into Boston and head by car to Interstate 95, you will encounter two dual-carriageway roundabouts before you get there - if you survive... Boston traffic makes London look like Bognor Regis
7) No one knows. Macho men. Ask me about mine :-)
8) Probably because it was slightly cheaper and simpler? And works just as well? No rear fog lamps, either (unless EU-spec like fancy Audis) but TWO reversing lamps. No self-levelling headlamps in many vehicles that need them. c*** headlamps in general in the US
9) Lanes are generally wider, so less need to be precise
10) Lucky you. Same way I feel if my train from Reading makes it to Paddington. Almost as if I am blessed
11) NYC hotel rooms average US$500/night. Not as bad back when the Pound was worth $1.60 but really bad now. I agree London is less expensive. In the UK I can still fill a shopping cart for £100 (mind you, no booze or red meat). In the US, I can barely fill a handbasket

USA motoring observation - Andrew-T

<< 6) Roundabouts ... >>

Traffic circles ? Gyratories ? :-)

USA motoring observation - badbusdriver

4. While there are many European/Japanese cars-the American made cars were massive! I have seen American cars on movies but in the flesh they look a lot larger.

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4) Have you driven a proper Range Rover?

Current Chevy Suburban dimensions (mm): L 5732, W 2059, H 1923, WB 3407

Current (LWB*) "proper" Range Rover: L 5252, W 1990 , H 1870, WB 3197

*Standard version is 200mm shorter.

USA motoring observation - Engineer Andy

<< 6) Roundabouts ... >>

Traffic circles ? Gyratories ? :-)

Apparently Carmel in Indiana has been building loads of them since the 1990s. Sadly not the same Carmel as the one once run by Clint Eastwood.

They even have a webpage dedicated to them:

www.carmel.in.gov/government/departments-services/...s

USA motoring observation - John F

3) Undertaking is perfectly legal on multi-lane highways in both Canada and the USA. Large trucks HGVs are typically restricted from the fastest lane on three-lane roads (sometimes the two fastest on four-lane) but regulations will vary by state and even city. My observation is that the prohibition on undertaking is universally ignored in the UK now and rarely, if ever enforced. Middle-lane hogging is as common in the UK as the US (where it is legal)

Now that large sections of the M1 and M25 are four-lane it is high time motorway rules were revised to allow undertaking. Also, with the far higher proportion of HGVs on UK roads than in the USA, there is even more reason to ban them from the outer two lanes of a four lane carriageway. Yet again when returning home last week on a crowded M way, cars were held up for some time by a three lorry three lane elephant race - one travelling at 55.9mph, one at 56mph, one at 56.1mph, resulting in large tailback and a virtually empty M way in front of them.

USA motoring observation - movilogo

it is high time motorway rules were revised to allow undertaking

AFAIK, although it is not advisable but it is not strictly illegal per se to undertake in UK motorways.

Not heard anyone prosecuted for undertaking only unless it is somehow linked with careless driving.

USA motoring observation - Rudlin
You can’t fill you tank with petrol before prepaying ?? or (in Nevada, Las Vegas) they won’t even accept credit card without typing in zip code! It was in a 76 Petrol station. What’s going on?
USA motoring observation - Engineer Andy
You can’t fill you tank with petrol before prepaying ?? or (in Nevada, Las Vegas) they won’t even accept credit card without typing in zip code! It was in a 76 Petrol station. What’s going on?

My zip only says YKK... ;-)

USA motoring observation - Manatee

7. I didn't really understand what Americans use pick up trucks for. There were plenty everywhere and none was carrying any stuff in the rear loading beds.

You have a sedan for weekdays.

Your wife has a 'van' to take the kids to school.

You need a truck for the weekend when you don your lumberjack shirt and become a hunter gatherer. You might have a gun rack in it.

USA motoring observation - John F

You have a sedan for weekdays.

Your wife has a 'van' to take the kids to school.

You need a truck for the weekend when you don your lumberjack shirt and become a hunter gatherer.....

.....which brilliantly illustrates the fundamental problem of the American lifestyle, now visible and aspired to by billions of cell-phone-owning huddled masses globally. Even if the above (usually oversized) vehicles become EVs, that's still a huge carbon footprint.

USA motoring observation - Andrew-T

<< ....which brilliantly illustrates the fundamental problem of the American lifestyle, now visible and aspired to by billions of cell-phone-owning huddled masses globally. Even if the above (usually oversized) vehicles become EVs, that's still a huge carbon footprint. >>

And how many vehicles occupy your garage /drive /other parking space, John ? It's not that many decades since the notion of the 'family car'. My family had no car until - I think - about 1954. After I married we had one car until the mid-80s. Then the kids started learning to drive, which called for an elderly Mini at about that time. They now live elsewhere and we could manage with one again ; the other museum piece spends most of its life in the garage.