Car insurance renewal - Xileno

Been a few threads on car insurance recently. The insurance on the old Focus is up for renewal - last year £114 fully comp with legal cover, 2007 Focus petrol. This year the cheapest I can find on all the usual comparison sites is £158 or 38% increase. As always, there's the usual company that clearly doesn't want my business at £1730!

38% increase. I hope this doesn't happen every year...

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

That must be the cheapest anyone is paying here, well done you.

Car insurance renewal - movilogo

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Car insurance renewal - Xileno

I know, in absolute terms I've nothing to complain about but the 38% was a bit of a surprise!

Car insurance renewal - Andrew-T

I know, in absolute terms I've nothing to complain about but the 38% was a bit of a surprise!

Your insurer may have finally spotted their oversight .... :-)

Car insurance renewal - John F

That must be the cheapest anyone is paying here, well done you.

My 'historic' TR7 costs well under £100p.a., admittedly for only up to 1500 miles p.a. Hang onto that Focus!

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

That must be the cheapest anyone is paying here, well done you.

My 'historic' TR7 costs well under £100p.a., admittedly for only up to 1500 miles p.a. Hang onto that Focus!

Classic policy presumably?

Car insurance renewal - geoffs

By gum!!

My wife's 1.0 2019 fiesta went up from £186 to £360.

After a lot of haggling it went down to about £300.

Nothing cheaper on comparison sites.

GeoffS

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

Geoffs, remember Direct Line and some other notable insurers don't appear on the comparison sites, NFU i think is another one (not a cheap insurer generally but IMHO one of the very best), DL have their own website for online quotes.

Car insurance renewal - nick62

Looks like the car insurance cabal have jumped on the same bandwagon as the food companies and used (relatively) recent events to increase their margins!

Edited by nick62 on 12/10/2023 at 11:12

Car insurance renewal - catsdad

My LV insurance is only up 10% this year after a gentle haggle. It’s still £279 which makes it look expensive compared to Xileno. I think we both live in the West Country but I’ve added a few extras which will be part of the reason it’s dearer.

Car insurance renewal - Chris M

Renewed the wife's Panda insurance in June for £122. Hopefully the TCB on a well known comparison site will track okay, resulting in £36 off making it £86.

£125 excess and I think it may include a courtesy car although I don't pay for that if it's an option. A tiny bump will write it off so ending any temporary wheels.

Edited by Chris M on 12/10/2023 at 14:32

Car insurance renewal - Terry W

The profit made by companies on car insurance is typically in single digits - 0-10%.

On a (say) £300 policy this is £0-30. This may be a reasonable return for the risk they take, but I suspect not every policy they write or group of policies make the same profit.

Pricing may be flexed reflect claims history to dissuade certain demographics and attract others - eg: below age 20, living in congested urban areas, pensioners, people with a spouse, EVs, cars capable of more than 140mph etc etc.

They may look at brand image, how they are perceived, the effectiveness of their advertising and use that to target certain groups.

Comparing one quote with another - even if the basics (vehicle, age, area, claims history etc) may give different results. All fairly incomprehensible but that is how the market works.

Car insurance renewal - veloceman
Even if you claim once every 20 yrs at £300 per year even that won’t go far to covering a bump these days.I’m surprised they make any money at sll.
Car insurance renewal - De Sisti

My home insurance with A-Plan (now Howdens), underwritten by AXA has increased from £321 to £507. Reasons for huge increase in premium given as cost of materials for rebuilding have gone up.

Car insurance renewal - Speedbird 747

I think we will all be driving Classic cars soon…..

Car insurance renewal - Ethan Edwards

Most Insurance companies dont make much from underwriting. Theyll diversify into different classes of business. This helps to stabilise the results.

They buy Reinsurance to make individual books more profitable and protect from extremes of loss experiences both from single events and whole books of business.

But they usually make their profit investing the funds you pay them upfront.

Not all though...the one I work for has an excellent underwriting ratio....but that's not common in the industry.

Car insurance renewal - Chips with everything

You've done well by comparison.

Mine was £420 with Tesco and now they wanted just shy of £900. No claims, clean licence, same car and same address.

Ploughed through the comparison sites and £460 is the best out there, which I'll take as a reluctant win.

Car insurance renewal - RT

You've done well by comparison.

Mine was £420 with Tesco and now they wanted just shy of £900. No claims, clean licence, same car and same address.

Ploughed through the comparison sites and £460 is the best out there, which I'll take as a reluctant win.

I'd count that as a big win - mine went up from £490 to £780 with full NCD, that's 60% - I couldn't get cheaper on the comparison sites so had to bite the bullet - it's a group 43 car so higher than most examples here but I also think that insurers are starting to load over-70s more heavily than they used to.

Car insurance renewal - Maxime.

Just renewed our old Venga.

SNAP £158...

Bit cheaper...

Edited by maxime on 21/10/2023 at 16:25

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

First time that NFU have been toppled off top spot in Which.

And the company to achieve this is LV .

Car insurance renewal - Engineer Andy

First time that NFU have been toppled off top spot in Which.

And the company to achieve this is LV .

If any firm was going to do that, I thought it might be them. My OAP dad changed from his 'old' Axa 'staff' policy (he had worked for gardian who were bought by Axa) to LV because they were cheaper (ironically - and only after Axa jacked their prices up for his ilk) and to him, gave far better customer service.

In my view, the big 'downside' of going with NFU is and always has been the price - most of the time, they were 50-100% more than the average of the rest. Fine if money isn't a problem, not so much if it is.

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

Years ago had all my insurances with NFU, very reasonable costs with first class service, the premiums gradually got higher till i could no longer justify staying with them.

The way things are going judging by the stories here and elsewhere it might be time to revisit NFU for quotes.

Car insurance renewal - Xileno

The old Focus is due its MOT tomorrow so I checked my annual mileage and was surprised I have only done 1081 miles. I knew it would be low but not that low, even though I work at home all the time. My policy states 6000 miles so I phoned them up to clarify, they are happy as it's 'up to 6000' so all good there.

Even better the operative knocked £30 off so my renewal has gone from £114 to £130, not £160. A saving of £30 in the bag is always welcome, it's roughly half a tank of petrol or a few pints of Bass ;-)

Car insurance renewal - primus 1

The old Focus is due its MOT tomorrow so I checked my annual mileage and was surprised I have only done 1081 miles. I knew it would be low but not that low, even though I work at home all the time. My policy states 6000 miles so I phoned them up to clarify, they are happy as it's 'up to 6000' so all good there.

Even better the operative knocked £30 off so my renewal has gone from £114 to £130, not £160. A saving of £30 in the bag is always welcome, it's roughly half a tank of petrol or a few pints of Bass ;-)


crikey, can you still buy bass..?

Car insurance renewal - Xileno

Oh yes.

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

Xileno, you are a time traveller and somehow manage to keep your budget from the 70's, could you let the rest of us in on the secret please.

Car insurance renewal - Engineer Andy

Xileno, you are a time traveller and somehow manage to keep your budget from the 70's, could you let the rest of us in on the secret please.

Maybe he lives in an area devoid of cars equipped with Li-Ion batteries? :-)

Hopefully by the time my renewal comes around (end of March) everything will have been sorted out and prices will go back to 'normal' (whatever that is). The last thing I need at the moment is another big bill landing on my doormat.

Car insurance renewal - Xileno

Someone emailed earlier asking how. I can only assume it's a very low group car, worth next to nothing. Sleepy West Wilts market town, max NCD.

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

For comparison, just checked how much we paid for the Landcruiser in January, £275, comp, protected policy, 10k, commuting (automatic class 1 business use), probably worth £7k even at 18 years old, fairly quiet area in midlands market town.

Car insurance renewal - Xileno

That doesn't seem too bad for a bigger, heavier, more expensive vehicle. I don't have business cover, that must add a bit on. It may be a bit more this January.

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

That doesn't seem too bad for a bigger, heavier, more expensive vehicle. I don't have business cover, that must add a bit on. It may be a bit more this January.

That 'bit' more, and the 'bit' more the turbo Subaru might increase will be interesting.

Class 1 business use is, or was, standard with comp Direct Line policies.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Is there some sort of pattern appearing , in that the lower priced quotes have originated from subsidiaries of the major brands ie Admiral instead of parent company Direct Line . But the companies recommended for great customer service and comprehensive policies such as LV and NFU will cost more.

Also LV underwrite their own policies so a decision will be forthcoming quickly whereas the lesser companies will need to refer the claim upwards which will involve a wait and some wrangling ?

Car insurance renewal - chesterfieldhouse

Just renewed my car insurance. Years past, following the renewal quote, l used to go through the process of calling & haggling. l don't bother anymore, as it doesn't really make a great deal of difference. Just get on the comparison sites, get the best deal for the same like for like policy, which is invariably cheaper than the renewal quote & go with that.

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

Is there some sort of pattern appearing , in that the lower priced quotes have originated from subsidiaries of the major brands ie Admiral instead of parent company Direct Line . But the companies recommended for great customer service and comprehensive policies such as LV and NFU will cost more.

Also LV underwrite their own policies so a decision will be forthcoming quickly whereas the lesser companies will need to refer the claim upwards which will involve a wait and some wrangling ?

Don't know, several years ago i tried DL for the first time (they're not on comparison sites) and found not only good quotes but also easily understood and friendly helpful staff at the end of the phone, since going with them have found the annual increases to be hardly worth worrying about, earlier this year SAGA as usual increased SWMBO policy for which DL quoted around1/3rd less, asked saga to come down some but they wouldn't play ball so all our policies including home are now with DL, am hoping this happy situation continues, will be reporting either way mid January.

It makes sense that NFU are more expensive, their customer service is probably in the top 2 and they are competent if a claim arises, i was with them years ago when their premiums were really quite competitive, thinking about it more that was before 4x4's became mainstream car choice wonder if that could be why their costs and premiums have risen so much?

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Interesting that an insurance friend recommends going for companies that underwrite their own policies which shortens any claim process.

In the case of DL they own the underwriters UK insurance . LV underwrite their own policies.

Isnt Tesco insurance underwritten by DL ?

Car insurance renewal - RT

Interesting that an insurance friend recommends going for companies that underwrite their own policies which shortens any claim process.

In the case of DL they own the underwriters UK insurance . LV underwrite their own policies.

Isnt Tesco insurance underwritten by DL ?

It may be marketing BS to suggest that.

Having used a specialist broker who arranged the policy with a small insurer who underwrote the policy at Lloyds, I experience no delays when I wrote my Subaru off nor when special terms needed negotiating because of health conditions - in both cases the broker couldn't make instant decisions on the phone but called back with decisions within the hour.

Car insurance renewal - Chris M

"In the case of DL they own the underwriters UK insurance . LV underwrite their own policies.

Isnt Tesco insurance underwritten by DL ?"

Direct Line is a brand name, not an insurance company. DL is underwritten by UK Insurance.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Didn’t realise that LV are part of the German insurer Allianz and the brand may be dropped at some stage to reveal the new owner.

Ive noticed the reluctance to negotiate on prices since the takeover. Is this the general view?

Car insurance renewal - Chris M

My car is insured with RAC. But of course it isn't really, it's Ageas and my wife's car is Bank of Scotland, but it's actually some outfit named West Bay Insurance based in Gibraltar and managed through BISL. BISL is an intermediary who crop up frequently behind household names on the aggregator sites. Worth looking into who you are dealing with before clicking 'Buy'.

Car insurance renewal - Terry W
  • if I damage another car I am unconcerned how the insurance company deal with their claim
  • if my car is damaged and repairable, it should be fixed to a reasonable standard
  • if someone hits my car I can claim on their insurance

I am only concerned about the performance of my insurance company if my car is a write off with an inevitable dialogue/argument over the value.

A poor insurance company may make a poorer offer - although I am not sure there is any quantified evidence for this.

In 50+ years of driving I have never written off a car, and the last claim I made was over 15 years ago. I guess it makes sense for me to take the risk of poorer service or unrecognisable brand than pay a higher premium.

So I am unclear how "service" and "brand" actually make a real difference. Policy selection, price aside, is largely determined by limits to European travel, and hire car if mine is damaged.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

As an example Terry , friends had to claim on their house insurance for a fire. The repair work took over 12 months and when the underwriters surveyor eventually came he told them that it would have all been sorted in a quarter of the time if they had been insured with NFU rather than the supermarket brand house insurance.

Not exactly the same scenario as car insurance but in some ways more important ?

Car insurance renewal - madf

As an example Terry , friends had to claim on their house insurance for a fire. The repair work took over 12 months and when the underwriters surveyor eventually came he told them that it would have all been sorted in a quarter of the time if they had been insured with NFU rather than the supermarket brand house insurance.

Not exactly the same scenario as car insurance but in some ways more important ?

Insured house with Policy Expert. Land Rover Discovery hit house at 20mph, damaged walls, cracked plaster etc. Policy Expert - our insurers - were first rate. Repaired walls, repapered walls, painted . All within 6 weeks.

Car insurance renewal - Terry W

House insurance is fundamentally different to car insurance.

With house insurance just about every claim will need to be settled by my insurers, not a remote third party. Service, quality and reputation are important.

Car - based on the last 50 years I have little need to insure damage to my own car. The few accidents (all fairly minor) have been dealt with by a claim on another policy.

It could all change tomorrow of course (although I hope not).

I only have car insurance because a) it is a legal requirement, (b) comprehensive is little/no more expensive than 3rd party, and (c) the low probability of a financially ruinous error (eg: causing major injury or death)

Car insurance renewal - HGV ~ P Valentine

Mine is not due until; May, after what I saw on the money program and other sources, I am quietly pooing myself

Car insurance renewal - OceanMan

I got an email about my renewal price last week. Logged in tentatively expecting the price to have double but it only went up from above £600 to £750. Checked a comparison site and got offered insurance elsewhere at £500.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Can someone explain what the excess means please.

Is this only applied to claims for damage to your own car ?

My cars are of an age that they would be written off and not repaired and I will get minor stuff arranged myself . So is it best to take a high excess ?

Car insurance renewal - FP

The excess is a sum of money deducted from any pay-out on a claim on the policy. It doesn't matter what the claim is for.

In your case you may wish to consider the difference between comprehensive and third-party insurance. Often low-value cars are insured for the minimum legal requirement, which is third-party and usually cheaper than fully comprehensive.

A higher excess, which should lower your premium, may also be a good idea.

Edited by FP on 11/11/2023 at 12:01

Car insurance renewal - gordonbennet

I've always tended to go mid range on excess, ie if there's a £150 standard i'll add another £150 voluntary to it, so far that seems to be a sweet spot but then we run older cars.

TPFT hasn't worked out cheaper enough to be worth considering for decades, it was a worthwhile (read the only) option back in the 70's when i was a youngster, don't know if its still viable for youngsters but then the new youngsters seem to drive newish cars these days anyway.

Car insurance renewal - madf

TPFT works IF both cars are relatively cheap to repair. With EV repair costs some 30% more expensive then the equivalent ICE car and EV cars being more expensive to buy new , Third Party costs could potentially be £30k-£40k . SO big claims.. hence why it is bad value for money.

Car insurance renewal - RT

The excess is a sum of money deducted from any pay-out on a claim on the policy. It doesn't matter what the claim is for.

In your case you may wish to consider the difference between comprehensive and third-party insurance. Often low-value cars are insured for the minimum legal requirement, which is third-party and usually cheaper than fully comprehensive.

A higher excess, which should lower your premium, may also be a good idea.

The excess only applies to own damage - it's a legal requirement that insurance covers 100% of third-party claims.

Perversely, comprehensive with a high excess is often cheaper than third-party.

Car insurance renewal - Engineer Andy

I got an email about my renewal price last week. Logged in tentatively expecting the price to have double but it only went up from above £600 to £750. Checked a comparison site and got offered insurance elsewhere at £500.

"only went up from above £600 to £750"? That still a very hefty increase, assuming the original price wasn't that much over £600. Previously the most mine had gone up in price in the last 20 years was 10% (about £30).

Make sure the alternative quote was on the same basis - many listed on comparison websites look similar but often allow for a much higher compulsary excess or don't include items such as legal cover/courtesy car in the premium and you need to add it on as an optional extra, meaning it isn't the cheapest any more.

Some also charge quite a bit if you change the policy (e.g. up the mileage or change car/specs mid year), wheras other do not, at least for long-standing customers (and why I stayed with esure for many years even though they weren't the cheapest [still good on price])

Besides, as others have said, customer service (especially in the event of a claim) can make a big difference, especially if the difference in premium isn't that large comparing like-for-like.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Just heard about Flow car insurance underwritten by LV from a friend after finding them cheapest on Monetsupermarket.

Must try them

Car insurance renewal - Dag Hammar

About ten days ago in an effort to preempt the inevitable rise in price I went on one of the comparison websites and the cheapest quote was £438 whereas the annual premium last December was £314.

When the renewal notice arrived this week I got quite a shock. It had REDUCED by £14 to exactly £300. Nothing has changed in the last twelve months and apart from the renewal notice there has been no communication from the insurers nor me to them.

One of life’s mysteries.

Car insurance renewal - FoxyJukebox
Give us a clue on the company that wants £1750?
Car insurance renewal - skidpan

Just renewed the 2 car policy for our Skodas. The renewal price was 20% up on last year, a long phone call got it down to a 15% increase, now pay £650 for the 2 cars.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Count yourself lucky not to own a Range Rover in London. Quotes of £39k if you are lucky but some are uninsurable.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-one-would-insure-our-105k-range-rover-so-we-had-to-sell-it-rmxjltl0c

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

Maybe it’s time to return to a simple key ignition to avoid the high level of thefts from “Keyless” cars.

After all we rely on keys for the front doors on our cars. Some complex ones cost around £50 .

Car insurance renewal - ashdeep

It's time for car insurance renewal. Researching different policies, comparing rates, and considering coverage options is essential to ensure the best value and adequate protection for my vehicle. Taking proactive steps now can save time and money in the long run.

Car insurance renewal - Steveieb

I decided to stay with my present company after finding reviews of some companies advertising on comparison websites quoting cheap renewals were renaging on their quotes after the 14 day cooling off period and raising their prices. Best to check the reviews before accepting a quote.

But speaking to a retired underwriter , he told me that most quotes are computer generated which explains the anomalies because of the lack of human involvement .

Car insurance renewal - FoxyJukebox
It proves beyond doubt that inflation ain’t 2.9% doesn’t it???
Car insurance renewal - Engineer Andy
It proves beyond doubt that inflation ain’t 2.9% doesn’t it???

Indeed, and nor was it 'only' 11-12% at its 'peak' last year.