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Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - swansea_karl

Hi all

I remember reading that there are issues with the 1.0 Ecoboost engines. Are these problems only for older cars? I was looking at a 2019 Focus 1.0 Ecoboost, looked a nice car. The majority of Focus seem to be these 1.0 engines. Thanks

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - badbusdriver

You pays your money and takes your chances!.

Are the problems completely rectified?, depends who you ask. They certainly should be after this much time!. But another thing to bear in mind, depending on how long you plan to keep the car, is the cost of a belt change. Which is apparently prohibitive to the point of many owners not bothering and taking the chance. Not sure what the intervals are though?

Depending on the money involved for the Focus you are looking at, I think I'd have more confidence in the VAG 1.0TSI. Seat Leon or Skoda Scala perhaps?

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - swansea_karl

I went to look at a Scala at my local Skoda dealer. I was impressed. The other one i have been considering is a 2019/2020 Astra, so many choices!!

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - elekie&a/c doctor
The ecoboost engines are pretty much sorted after 2017 . The wet belt failure technology has been taken over by the Peugeot puretech engine .
Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Maxime.

My daughter has a 2021 Focus 1.0 ecoboost which is having the oil consumption monitored as usage seems high. Has been serviced in line with ford servicing at a ford dealer. Currently using about a litre every 1000 miles. Told this is normal for this sort of engine

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - catsdad

Most manufacturers say that a litre every 1000 miles is within their parameters. However I doubt any motorists who have such heavy consumption would agree that this is acceptable.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - John F
The ecoboost engines are pretty much sorted after 2017 . The wet belt failure technology has been taken over by the Peugeot puretech engine .

As long as a modern belt designed for BIO use is used, and the correct oil is changed regularly, I think these engines are now good for many miles. There will soon be millions on the roads as they will be used all over the Stellantis range, powering Alfa Romeos and Jeeps.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - badbusdriver
The ecoboost engines are pretty much sorted after 2017 . The wet belt failure technology has been taken over by the Peugeot puretech engine .

As long as a modern belt designed for BIO use is used, and the correct oil is changed regularly, I think these engines are now good for many miles. There will soon be millions on the roads as they will be used all over the Stellantis range, powering Alfa Romeos and Jeeps.

Potentially the the Astra too if the OP is looking at 2019-2020 cars

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Chris M

"Potentially the the Astra too if the OP is looking at 2019-2020 cars"

Think you'll find it used the GM engine until the "L" was launched.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - badbusdriver

"Potentially the the Astra too if the OP is looking at 2019-2020 cars"

Think you'll find it used the GM engine until the "L" was launched.

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This not a Puretech then?

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - primus 1

My 2020 ford puma had its complete engine replaced, not because of some catastrophic failure, but because of a strange noise, it sounded like a pulley, and , the crankshaft pulley was replaced but this didn’t cure it, it was then diagnosed to be something under the rocker cover, possibly a sensor/ solenoid, ( I think it had cylinder deactivation) the garage couldn’t obtain the parts anytime soon and couldn’t give an eta, Ford deemed it would be quicker and cheaper to fit a complete new engine, the car was just in warranty so was replaced foc, the new engine wasn’t warranted past the existing warranty, I got rid asap,it was an excellent car but, along with other issues I lost confidence in it and switched to Toyota, I believe they used timing chains in later ecoboost engines, but I could be mistaken…

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - edlithgow

, it was then diagnosed to be something under the rocker cover,

This is the sort of definitive data point that just wasn't available before modern on-board die-agnostics.

However did we manage?

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Chris M

"This not a Puretech then?"

No. Why do you think it would be?

It's got the GM E-Turbo engine fitted to the Astra K from 2019-2022.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_E-Turbo_engine

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - badbusdriver

"This not a Puretech then?"

No. Why do you think it would be?

PSA take over Vauxhall in 2017, a 1.2 turbo appears in the Astra in 2019 replacing the previous 1.0 turbo. While not the case, it surely it isn't that much of a leap to suppose the 1.2 might have come from the new owners?

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Bromptonaut

PSA take over Vauxhall in 2017, a 1.2 turbo appears in the Astra in 2019 replacing the previous 1.0 turbo. While not the case, it surely it isn't that much of a leap to suppose the 1.2 might have come from the new owners?

Wiki suggests it's a GM 'E' unit.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Chris M

"...surely it isn't that much of a leap to suppose the 1.2 might have come from the new owners?"

I guess BBD because you appear to have an encyclopedic grasp of car specifications I'm surprised you made this school boy error.

It's possible that GM designed the Astra K to have this engine from the start and that the joint venture (SAIC) 1.0t and 1.4t were stop gaps until it arrived. The Puretech wouldn't fit, so Stellantis had to stick with the new GM unit until the L came along.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - badbusdriver

"...surely it isn't that much of a leap to suppose the 1.2 might have come from the new owners?"

I guess BBD because you appear to have an encyclopedic grasp of car specifications I'm surprised you made this school boy error.

Knowing the specs of the car and/or engine isn't the same as knowing the origin of said engine!.

It just seemed logical to me that as the most common engine of Vauxhall's owners is a 1.2 turbo 3 pot, that's the one they'd use.

Similarly, I was convinced the current Suzuki Vitara and new S-Cross 1.5 hybrid models were using Toyota running gear because they have identical specs. But after doing some digging, this just seems to be a coincidence and the running gear is Suzuki's own.

Hey ho!

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - edlithgow
The ecoboost engines are pretty much sorted after 2017 . The wet belt failure technology has been taken over by the Peugeot puretech engine .

As long as a modern belt designed for BIO use is used, and the correct oil is changed regularly, I think these engines are now good for many miles. There will soon be millions on the roads as they will be used all over the Stellantis range, powering Alfa Romeos and Jeeps.

Alfa Romeo and Jeep. Not really names one associates with not going bang, so these engines are fully consistent with brand values.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - SLO76
I don’t trust them and the trade don’t trust them. Watch two similar spec/age/mileage Fords going through an auction and the trade will pay substantially less for the Ecoboom model over the older Yamaha designed Zetec SE’s. There are just too many cases of failures with these engines to recommend owning one outside of the original manufacturer warranty term. I’d look elsewhere, the Mazda 3 drives every bit as well, achieves similar real life economy and suffers none of the reliability fears. It’s a far better car at similar money. Try one.


Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - primus 1

The chap who fitted my dash cameras told me he sees lots of transits with wet belt failures, apparently if it’s going to cost more than 2k ford just fit a new engine, ( provided it’s in warranty of course) .

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Metropolis.

Amazing isn't it that Ford, a mega mult-national corporation, after all this time and experience with engines, can still get it wrong. I can half forgive when smaller car companies are bold enough to make their own engines and then go through some teething issues, but Ford!!

SLO I agree with you about Mazda reliability wise, but I was a passenger in a Mazda3 recently and was amazed at how hard the ride was, maybe i'm spoilt from long travel suspension systems.. I would probably suggest a Suzuki instead. Maybe a Baleno if in budget and available.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - SLO76
“ SLO I agree with you about Mazda reliability wise, but I was a passenger in a Mazda3 recently and was amazed at how hard the ride was”

Was it a Sport? I certainly can’t say the SE is particularly hard riding compared to rivals, but the Sport certainly is firmer. I don’t think the marginal added performance is worth the drop in ride comfort so the SE is what I’d buy.
Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Andrew-T

Amazing isn't it that Ford, a mega multi-national corporation, after all this time and experience with engines, can still get it wrong.

I'm sure Ford have experience equal to any other established manufacturer when designing basic engines to end-20th-century standards. The difficulties start when they are forced by legislation and market pressure to make engines ecologically a little cleaner that they have to experiment with new work-arounds, and eager buyers have to do the beta-testing for them. Classic examples of over-elaboration, which even happened in the later days of steam engines.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Heidfirst

www.thedrive.com/news/self-clogging-ford-oil-pumps...s

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - edlithgow

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yx1-50iqnA

Ugh!

Nothing against 3-cyls, obviously, since I've just had a long-term relationship with a Daihatsu.

As well as the traditional oil failure damage, this example has a lot of carbon on rings and piston tops compared to my ancient-running-rich-carburretted-but-actually-eco-cos-it-was-old engine, perhaps because of the direct injection.

That's progress

Edited by edlithgow on 01/10/2023 at 01:36

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - John F

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yx1-50iqnA

Ugh!

As well as the traditional oil failure damage,.......

Well, it didn't look 'traditional' to me! The engine wouldn't turn over properly and a stray bolt fell out which seemed to be associated with the failure of the apparatus which drove the oil pump. Something must have caused its belt to strip its teeth.

The cambelt, although obviously in a bad way (was it original? How often had the ?correct oil and filter been carefully changed? ...not much, by the looks of the copious sludge in the sump), was still clearly serviceable.

this example has a lot of carbon on rings and piston tops.....

didn't look too bad to me for a clearly neglected engine - age and mileage unknown. Goodness knows why at one stage he said something along the lines of he thought it had been well maintained!

I've seen a few videos from this 'tear-down' character, and although entertaining they always leave me with lots of unanswered questions about the life of the engines and the details of their servicing. But then he never seems to know anything about their histories.

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Sprice

Here's a good video showing the timing belt replacement on a 1.0 Focus, pretty involved.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rG-P1evthg&t=1s

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - edlithgow

Well, this is exactly the failure mode reported for these engines, hence "traditional"

The "something" that caused the oil pump drive to strip its teeth might, therefore, plausibly have been this commonly reported failure mode, and the appearance of the engine was entirely and specifically consistent with that.

He didn't know the engine history, (though he said it was quite new) , I don't know the engine history...but then you don't know the engine history either, so your assumptions seem at least as questionable as mine are.

I assume its junk, because it became junk, and most engines, until recently, did not spontaneously become junk even if neglected.

Of course this is only one engine, so they wont all fail like that, so its a visual illustration of the commonly reported failure mode rather than evidence for its statistical significance

You seem to be saying it was basically sound because bits of it weren't broken, and the timing belt was only almost broken

There was no visible varnish, most of the mechanical bits looked ok apart from those suffering from oil starvation, and without being able to smell it, the sludginess of the oil was entirely consistent with it having mushed up bearings and belts in it, so where's your evidence of neglect?

Even IF this car hadn't had its uber-special oil change and its ultra-expensive belt change on time, and even IF this explains its sad state, (which is unsupported speculation) I'd say that still implies its too fragile for this real world,

I'm comparing its appearance with my ancient engine which hadn't had a cambelt change in 13 years, an oil change in 6 years and had a history of putting a lot of metal in its oil.

You could compare it with, IIRC, your Ford Focus, which, again IIRC, had a bit of a stretch on cam belt and OCI, yet did not spontaneously autodestruct

And then there's the keyless crankshaft pulley...

Edited by edlithgow on 01/10/2023 at 12:49

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - Lee Power

As well as the traditional oil failure damage, this example has a lot of carbon on rings and piston tops compared to my ancient-running-rich-carburretted-but-actually-eco-cos-it-was-old engine, perhaps because of the direct injection.

That's progress

Seems other manufacturers are now waking up to the long term problems of using direct petrol injection & now copying the Toyota / Lexus D-4S set up.

Using both direct & port petrol injection is the proven way forward. .

Focus 1.0 Ecoboost Engine - edlithgow

As well as the traditional oil failure damage, this example has a lot of carbon on rings and piston tops compared to my ancient-running-rich-carburretted-but-actually-eco-cos-it-was-old engine, perhaps because of the direct injection.

That's progress

Seems other manufacturers are now waking up to the long term problems of using direct petrol injection & now copying the Toyota / Lexus D-4S set up.

Using both direct & port petrol injection is the proven way forward. .

I don't know this is down to DI.

That would rather simply explain valve back coking but its less clear why it would coke up pistons.

If I had to pick something, I'd go for skinny oil loaded up with viscosity modifiers, low tension rings, plus maybe EGR, if it does that.

Whatever it is, its not good.

Heres a very long, vey poor quality online article on the topic, which says almost nothing meaningful. This is increasingly typical of internyet material. That's progress too.

vehiclefreak.com/bad-piston-rings-causes-and-fixes/

Not sure if its a product of Artificial Intelligence or Automotive Idiocy, but if the latter it may have been translated from Chinese. I'm pretty sure this is where the Taiwan DMV get their test material from.

Edited by edlithgow on 03/10/2023 at 00:43